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  • K KarstenK

    Since the last update Windows 10 is instable. It crashes and doesnt like to reboot. M$ is in trouble - deep trouble.

    Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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    Slacker007
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    I know some people who work for Microsoft, and the word is that if Windows 10 does not cut the mustard for any reason, then Microsoft will have to re-evaluate their future product line and strategy. So, "in trouble" is an accurate way to put it. :sigh:

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    • S Slacker007

      I know some people who work for Microsoft, and the word is that if Windows 10 does not cut the mustard for any reason, then Microsoft will have to re-evaluate their future product line and strategy. So, "in trouble" is an accurate way to put it. :sigh:

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      Frank Alviani
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      There would need to be problems of Biblical proportions to cause MS to change course at this point. I just don't see it happening.

      My long term goal is to live forever. So far, so good...

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      • F Frank Alviani

        There would need to be problems of Biblical proportions to cause MS to change course at this point. I just don't see it happening.

        My long term goal is to live forever. So far, so good...

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        Lost User
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        Agreed. There would need to be an industry wide sea-change of epic proportions that Microsoft completely misses on to cause any significant damage.

        There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.

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        • F Frank Alviani

          There would need to be problems of Biblical proportions to cause MS to change course at this point. I just don't see it happening.

          My long term goal is to live forever. So far, so good...

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          Slacker007
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          They are not getting Windows 10 on as many machines as they had hoped, especially the business market. For instance, our shop has no intention of going to Windows 10, anytime soon. So, "Biblical" proportions, is not out of the question, anymore. Not enough people want\use Windows 10, for it to be a viable OS in today's market. Many people are waiting a year or two, for the bugs to get ironed out. Question is, does Microsoft have the time to wait that long.

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          • L Lost User

            Agreed. There would need to be an industry wide sea-change of epic proportions that Microsoft completely misses on to cause any significant damage.

            There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.

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            Slacker007
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            Businesses are not adopting Windows 10, at least none that I know of. As I mentioned earlier, we have no plans to move to Windows 10 until the OS has stabilized, which could be another 6 months to a year. Not good for Microsoft, and they know it.

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              They are not getting Windows 10 on as many machines as they had hoped, especially the business market. For instance, our shop has no intention of going to Windows 10, anytime soon. So, "Biblical" proportions, is not out of the question, anymore. Not enough people want\use Windows 10, for it to be a viable OS in today's market. Many people are waiting a year or two, for the bugs to get ironed out. Question is, does Microsoft have the time to wait that long.

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              Frank Alviani
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              I don't see why not. Historically they have shown that they're very patient - and they have deep pockets. Even with longer replacement cycles, existing 7/8 machines won't last forever. . .

              My long term goal is to live forever. So far, so good...

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              • S Slacker007

                I know some people who work for Microsoft, and the word is that if Windows 10 does not cut the mustard for any reason, then Microsoft will have to re-evaluate their future product line and strategy. So, "in trouble" is an accurate way to put it. :sigh:

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                dandy72
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                Slacker007 wrote:

                if Windows 10 does not cut the mustard for any reason, then Microsoft will have to re-evaluate their future product line and strategy.

                When would that never have been the case, in all of Microsoft's history?

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                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                  So last week we got a new Virtual Machine with Visual Studio 2015 installed. With this project we're coming from 2010, so I was pretty excited as I've worked with 2015 before and it has so much improvements! Check out the project and... Visual Studio 2015 crashes... It happens. Open it up again and for some reason I can't open a cshtml file. Restart. Cache is out of date. Restart. Can't load unit tests (getting it to work required me to unload all non-test projects). Restart. Something else crashed... WHAT THE HELL MICROSOFT!? :mad: Then I checked out the project on my laptop with the Visual Studio 2015 Community Edition and everything worked like a charm. Back to the VM and nothing but trouble. So screw working in a VM I'll work on my laptop (we've got VM's for different VPN clients, different versions of the same tools, etc.). Let me first update my laptop though, apparently I've got some Visual Studio Update 1 pending. Installed and... I get the same problems on my laptop! WHAT THE HELL MICROSOFT!? :mad: I just de-installed Visual Studio on my laptop and I'm now doing a clean install (with Update 1). If that doesn't work I'm going to look for an older installer without Update 1. Anyone else has these problems?

                  Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                  Regards, Sander

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                  Lost User
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                  Did you notice how often I rant about WinX? That's because I'm not using it :)

                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                  • D dandy72

                    Slacker007 wrote:

                    if Windows 10 does not cut the mustard for any reason, then Microsoft will have to re-evaluate their future product line and strategy.

                    When would that never have been the case, in all of Microsoft's history?

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                    Slacker007
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                    When has anyone NOT wanted to update to the latest OS? For me and our company (and other companies) it is now, with Windows 10. Only time in MS history, that I can think of.

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                    • F Frank Alviani

                      I don't see why not. Historically they have shown that they're very patient - and they have deep pockets. Even with longer replacement cycles, existing 7/8 machines won't last forever. . .

                      My long term goal is to live forever. So far, so good...

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                      Slacker007
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                      Frank Alviani wrote:

                      I don't see why not. Historically they have shown that they're very patient

                      and that is why they are forcing installs now, because they are so patient. :confused: Trust me when I tell you, that they are very concerned about all of this.

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                      • L Lost User

                        Did you notice how often I rant about WinX? That's because I'm not using it :)

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                        Sander Rossel
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                        Neither do I :)

                        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

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                        Regards, Sander

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                        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                          I'm using 2015 since first day and update all the news... No tests... Check these: The Visual Studio component cache is out of date. Please restart visual studio. | Microsoft Connect[^] How Visual Studio’s Component Model Cache can be a pain. | .withMartin[^]

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                          Sander Rossel
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                          I've tried it all. Must've deleted that cache a 100 times by now.

                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                          Regards, Sander

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                          • S Slacker007

                            When has anyone NOT wanted to update to the latest OS? For me and our company (and other companies) it is now, with Windows 10. Only time in MS history, that I can think of.

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                            Sander Rossel
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                            Slacker007 wrote:

                            Only time in MS history, that I can think of.

                            Really? What about Vista? And 8? :~

                            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

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                            Regards, Sander

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                            • S Slacker007

                              I know some people who work for Microsoft, and the word is that if Windows 10 does not cut the mustard for any reason, then Microsoft will have to re-evaluate their future product line and strategy. So, "in trouble" is an accurate way to put it. :sigh:

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                              Sander Rossel
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                              Slacker007 wrote:

                              Microsoft will have to re-evaluate their future product line and strategy

                              Here's a strategy: write software that actually works!

                              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                              Regards, Sander

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                              • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                Slacker007 wrote:

                                Only time in MS history, that I can think of.

                                Really? What about Vista? And 8? :~

                                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                Regards, Sander

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                                Slacker007
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                                Point taken with Vista. But 8 is doable. I currently use 8 at work, and it is manageable. It's no 7, though. :)

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                                  Businesses are not adopting Windows 10, at least none that I know of. As I mentioned earlier, we have no plans to move to Windows 10 until the OS has stabilized, which could be another 6 months to a year. Not good for Microsoft, and they know it.

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                                  9082365
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                                  Slacker007 wrote:

                                  Businesses are not adopting Windows 10

                                  That's not news. There is still a substantial portion of the business sector and public services using XP! The adoption rate is rather better[^] than your gloomy zero anyway.

                                  I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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                                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                    So last week we got a new Virtual Machine with Visual Studio 2015 installed. With this project we're coming from 2010, so I was pretty excited as I've worked with 2015 before and it has so much improvements! Check out the project and... Visual Studio 2015 crashes... It happens. Open it up again and for some reason I can't open a cshtml file. Restart. Cache is out of date. Restart. Can't load unit tests (getting it to work required me to unload all non-test projects). Restart. Something else crashed... WHAT THE HELL MICROSOFT!? :mad: Then I checked out the project on my laptop with the Visual Studio 2015 Community Edition and everything worked like a charm. Back to the VM and nothing but trouble. So screw working in a VM I'll work on my laptop (we've got VM's for different VPN clients, different versions of the same tools, etc.). Let me first update my laptop though, apparently I've got some Visual Studio Update 1 pending. Installed and... I get the same problems on my laptop! WHAT THE HELL MICROSOFT!? :mad: I just de-installed Visual Studio on my laptop and I'm now doing a clean install (with Update 1). If that doesn't work I'm going to look for an older installer without Update 1. Anyone else has these problems?

                                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                    Regards, Sander

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                                    Brisingr Aerowing
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                                    Use the Update for Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 (KB3110221)[^], Sander.

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                                      Slacker007 wrote:

                                      Businesses are not adopting Windows 10

                                      That's not news. There is still a substantial portion of the business sector and public services using XP! The adoption rate is rather better[^] than your gloomy zero anyway.

                                      I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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                                      Lost User
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                                      Interesting article - Thanks!

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                                      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                        So last week we got a new Virtual Machine with Visual Studio 2015 installed. With this project we're coming from 2010, so I was pretty excited as I've worked with 2015 before and it has so much improvements! Check out the project and... Visual Studio 2015 crashes... It happens. Open it up again and for some reason I can't open a cshtml file. Restart. Cache is out of date. Restart. Can't load unit tests (getting it to work required me to unload all non-test projects). Restart. Something else crashed... WHAT THE HELL MICROSOFT!? :mad: Then I checked out the project on my laptop with the Visual Studio 2015 Community Edition and everything worked like a charm. Back to the VM and nothing but trouble. So screw working in a VM I'll work on my laptop (we've got VM's for different VPN clients, different versions of the same tools, etc.). Let me first update my laptop though, apparently I've got some Visual Studio Update 1 pending. Installed and... I get the same problems on my laptop! WHAT THE HELL MICROSOFT!? :mad: I just de-installed Visual Studio on my laptop and I'm now doing a clean install (with Update 1). If that doesn't work I'm going to look for an older installer without Update 1. Anyone else has these problems?

                                        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                        Regards, Sander

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                                        Marc Clifton
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                                        Sander Rossel wrote:

                                        If that doesn't work I'm going to look for an older installer without Update 1.

                                        Good luck. I opened a project on my older laptop that has some unit tests, (BTW, this is VS2012) and got a "that file already exists" when I tried to create a new test file. No, it doesn't exist. Same problem with a non-test project. Tried a solution without tests, that worked fine. I figure, WTF, VS2012 is corrupted, I'll just install VS2015. Nope, installer dies with some error that apparently other people have experienced. Figure, ok, I'll just uninstall VS2012 and re-install it. Nope, same error as when I tried VS2015. Read a comment somewhere to try the web installer. Well, right now the laptop (and for the whole day so far) has been doing W7 updates. Figure I should try that first. My last update was in 2014, so there are some 157 updates. I think what I'll do some time this week is dump everything onto an external SSD, then wipe the drive and start from a blank slate (W7, none of this W8 or W10 shit for me.) Maybe replace the drive with an SSD while I'm at it and breath a little life into this old, but very reliable, laptop. At least, the hardware is great, it's showing its age with the OS though. Or maybe I'll turn it into a Debian box and use Mono. BTW, the missing cat turns out to be living under our house. Now if it would just stop snowing and raining, he might come out for a bite and be caught in the have-a-heart trap we set out. (And this is a test to see if you read the whole post, mwahaha.) Marc

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                                        • 9 9082365

                                          Slacker007 wrote:

                                          Businesses are not adopting Windows 10

                                          That's not news. There is still a substantial portion of the business sector and public services using XP! The adoption rate is rather better[^] than your gloomy zero anyway.

                                          I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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                                          testing windows 10. testing.

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