What the hell Microsoft!?
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They are not getting Windows 10 on as many machines as they had hoped, especially the business market. For instance, our shop has no intention of going to Windows 10, anytime soon. So, "Biblical" proportions, is not out of the question, anymore. Not enough people want\use Windows 10, for it to be a viable OS in today's market. Many people are waiting a year or two, for the bugs to get ironed out. Question is, does Microsoft have the time to wait that long.
I don't see why not. Historically they have shown that they're very patient - and they have deep pockets. Even with longer replacement cycles, existing 7/8 machines won't last forever. . .
My long term goal is to live forever. So far, so good...
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I know some people who work for Microsoft, and the word is that if Windows 10 does not cut the mustard for any reason, then Microsoft will have to re-evaluate their future product line and strategy. So, "in trouble" is an accurate way to put it. :sigh:
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So last week we got a new Virtual Machine with Visual Studio 2015 installed. With this project we're coming from 2010, so I was pretty excited as I've worked with 2015 before and it has so much improvements! Check out the project and... Visual Studio 2015 crashes... It happens. Open it up again and for some reason I can't open a cshtml file. Restart. Cache is out of date. Restart. Can't load unit tests (getting it to work required me to unload all non-test projects). Restart. Something else crashed... WHAT THE HELL MICROSOFT!? :mad: Then I checked out the project on my laptop with the Visual Studio 2015 Community Edition and everything worked like a charm. Back to the VM and nothing but trouble. So screw working in a VM I'll work on my laptop (we've got VM's for different VPN clients, different versions of the same tools, etc.). Let me first update my laptop though, apparently I've got some Visual Studio Update 1 pending. Installed and... I get the same problems on my laptop! WHAT THE HELL MICROSOFT!? :mad: I just de-installed Visual Studio on my laptop and I'm now doing a clean install (with Update 1). If that doesn't work I'm going to look for an older installer without Update 1. Anyone else has these problems?
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Regards, Sander
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Slacker007 wrote:
if Windows 10 does not cut the mustard for any reason, then Microsoft will have to re-evaluate their future product line and strategy.
When would that never have been the case, in all of Microsoft's history?
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I don't see why not. Historically they have shown that they're very patient - and they have deep pockets. Even with longer replacement cycles, existing 7/8 machines won't last forever. . .
My long term goal is to live forever. So far, so good...
Frank Alviani wrote:
I don't see why not. Historically they have shown that they're very patient
and that is why they are forcing installs now, because they are so patient. :confused: Trust me when I tell you, that they are very concerned about all of this.
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Neither do I :)
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Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
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I'm using 2015 since first day and update all the news... No tests... Check these: The Visual Studio component cache is out of date. Please restart visual studio. | Microsoft Connect[^] How Visual Studio’s Component Model Cache can be a pain. | .withMartin[^]
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
I've tried it all. Must've deleted that cache a 100 times by now.
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Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
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When has anyone NOT wanted to update to the latest OS? For me and our company (and other companies) it is now, with Windows 10. Only time in MS history, that I can think of.
Slacker007 wrote:
Only time in MS history, that I can think of.
Really? What about Vista? And 8? :~
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
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I know some people who work for Microsoft, and the word is that if Windows 10 does not cut the mustard for any reason, then Microsoft will have to re-evaluate their future product line and strategy. So, "in trouble" is an accurate way to put it. :sigh:
Slacker007 wrote:
Microsoft will have to re-evaluate their future product line and strategy
Here's a strategy: write software that actually works!
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
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Slacker007 wrote:
Only time in MS history, that I can think of.
Really? What about Vista? And 8? :~
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
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Businesses are not adopting Windows 10, at least none that I know of. As I mentioned earlier, we have no plans to move to Windows 10 until the OS has stabilized, which could be another 6 months to a year. Not good for Microsoft, and they know it.
Slacker007 wrote:
Businesses are not adopting Windows 10
That's not news. There is still a substantial portion of the business sector and public services using XP! The adoption rate is rather better[^] than your gloomy zero anyway.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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So last week we got a new Virtual Machine with Visual Studio 2015 installed. With this project we're coming from 2010, so I was pretty excited as I've worked with 2015 before and it has so much improvements! Check out the project and... Visual Studio 2015 crashes... It happens. Open it up again and for some reason I can't open a cshtml file. Restart. Cache is out of date. Restart. Can't load unit tests (getting it to work required me to unload all non-test projects). Restart. Something else crashed... WHAT THE HELL MICROSOFT!? :mad: Then I checked out the project on my laptop with the Visual Studio 2015 Community Edition and everything worked like a charm. Back to the VM and nothing but trouble. So screw working in a VM I'll work on my laptop (we've got VM's for different VPN clients, different versions of the same tools, etc.). Let me first update my laptop though, apparently I've got some Visual Studio Update 1 pending. Installed and... I get the same problems on my laptop! WHAT THE HELL MICROSOFT!? :mad: I just de-installed Visual Studio on my laptop and I'm now doing a clean install (with Update 1). If that doesn't work I'm going to look for an older installer without Update 1. Anyone else has these problems?
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
Use the Update for Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 (KB3110221)[^], Sander.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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Slacker007 wrote:
Businesses are not adopting Windows 10
That's not news. There is still a substantial portion of the business sector and public services using XP! The adoption rate is rather better[^] than your gloomy zero anyway.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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So last week we got a new Virtual Machine with Visual Studio 2015 installed. With this project we're coming from 2010, so I was pretty excited as I've worked with 2015 before and it has so much improvements! Check out the project and... Visual Studio 2015 crashes... It happens. Open it up again and for some reason I can't open a cshtml file. Restart. Cache is out of date. Restart. Can't load unit tests (getting it to work required me to unload all non-test projects). Restart. Something else crashed... WHAT THE HELL MICROSOFT!? :mad: Then I checked out the project on my laptop with the Visual Studio 2015 Community Edition and everything worked like a charm. Back to the VM and nothing but trouble. So screw working in a VM I'll work on my laptop (we've got VM's for different VPN clients, different versions of the same tools, etc.). Let me first update my laptop though, apparently I've got some Visual Studio Update 1 pending. Installed and... I get the same problems on my laptop! WHAT THE HELL MICROSOFT!? :mad: I just de-installed Visual Studio on my laptop and I'm now doing a clean install (with Update 1). If that doesn't work I'm going to look for an older installer without Update 1. Anyone else has these problems?
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
Sander Rossel wrote:
If that doesn't work I'm going to look for an older installer without Update 1.
Good luck. I opened a project on my older laptop that has some unit tests, (BTW, this is VS2012) and got a "that file already exists" when I tried to create a new test file. No, it doesn't exist. Same problem with a non-test project. Tried a solution without tests, that worked fine. I figure, WTF, VS2012 is corrupted, I'll just install VS2015. Nope, installer dies with some error that apparently other people have experienced. Figure, ok, I'll just uninstall VS2012 and re-install it. Nope, same error as when I tried VS2015. Read a comment somewhere to try the web installer. Well, right now the laptop (and for the whole day so far) has been doing W7 updates. Figure I should try that first. My last update was in 2014, so there are some 157 updates. I think what I'll do some time this week is dump everything onto an external SSD, then wipe the drive and start from a blank slate (W7, none of this W8 or W10 shit for me.) Maybe replace the drive with an SSD while I'm at it and breath a little life into this old, but very reliable, laptop. At least, the hardware is great, it's showing its age with the OS though. Or maybe I'll turn it into a Debian box and use Mono. BTW, the missing cat turns out to be living under our house. Now if it would just stop snowing and raining, he might come out for a bite and be caught in the have-a-heart trap we set out. (And this is a test to see if you read the whole post, mwahaha.) Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!
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Slacker007 wrote:
Businesses are not adopting Windows 10
That's not news. There is still a substantial portion of the business sector and public services using XP! The adoption rate is rather better[^] than your gloomy zero anyway.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
testing windows 10. testing.
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So last week we got a new Virtual Machine with Visual Studio 2015 installed. With this project we're coming from 2010, so I was pretty excited as I've worked with 2015 before and it has so much improvements! Check out the project and... Visual Studio 2015 crashes... It happens. Open it up again and for some reason I can't open a cshtml file. Restart. Cache is out of date. Restart. Can't load unit tests (getting it to work required me to unload all non-test projects). Restart. Something else crashed... WHAT THE HELL MICROSOFT!? :mad: Then I checked out the project on my laptop with the Visual Studio 2015 Community Edition and everything worked like a charm. Back to the VM and nothing but trouble. So screw working in a VM I'll work on my laptop (we've got VM's for different VPN clients, different versions of the same tools, etc.). Let me first update my laptop though, apparently I've got some Visual Studio Update 1 pending. Installed and... I get the same problems on my laptop! WHAT THE HELL MICROSOFT!? :mad: I just de-installed Visual Studio on my laptop and I'm now doing a clean install (with Update 1). If that doesn't work I'm going to look for an older installer without Update 1. Anyone else has these problems?
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
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I've tried it all. Must've deleted that cache a 100 times by now.
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
What kind of project do you have? Can you separate the test totally from the rest? Maybe this? Upgrade Visual Studio 2010 unit test projects[^]
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
If that doesn't work I'm going to look for an older installer without Update 1.
Good luck. I opened a project on my older laptop that has some unit tests, (BTW, this is VS2012) and got a "that file already exists" when I tried to create a new test file. No, it doesn't exist. Same problem with a non-test project. Tried a solution without tests, that worked fine. I figure, WTF, VS2012 is corrupted, I'll just install VS2015. Nope, installer dies with some error that apparently other people have experienced. Figure, ok, I'll just uninstall VS2012 and re-install it. Nope, same error as when I tried VS2015. Read a comment somewhere to try the web installer. Well, right now the laptop (and for the whole day so far) has been doing W7 updates. Figure I should try that first. My last update was in 2014, so there are some 157 updates. I think what I'll do some time this week is dump everything onto an external SSD, then wipe the drive and start from a blank slate (W7, none of this W8 or W10 shit for me.) Maybe replace the drive with an SSD while I'm at it and breath a little life into this old, but very reliable, laptop. At least, the hardware is great, it's showing its age with the OS though. Or maybe I'll turn it into a Debian box and use Mono. BTW, the missing cat turns out to be living under our house. Now if it would just stop snowing and raining, he might come out for a bite and be caught in the have-a-heart trap we set out. (And this is a test to see if you read the whole post, mwahaha.) Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!
Marc Clifton wrote:
the missing cat turns out to be living under our house
That's great news! :D
Marc Clifton wrote:
And this is a test to see if you read the whole post, mwahaha.
I always start at the bottom, I haven't read further than your cat ;p Seriously though, Windows after 7 is a PITA, VS is a PITA... Maybe switch to Linux after all :sigh:
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
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I too have lot of issues with VS 2015. In C#, right click a variable to rename, got 'Object reference not set to instance exception'. And a lot more issues with the editor.
Yes, I've seen that one too! :sigh:
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
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What kind of project do you have? Can you separate the test totally from the rest? Maybe this? Upgrade Visual Studio 2010 unit test projects[^]
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
It's a solution with some 20 projects (including test projects). I can unload all other projects and the test explorer works fine. This is about being able to do my work like I did with VS2010, but better though. If VS2015 makes me go through hoops just to unit test my project and gives me a lot of errors on top I'd much rather go back to VS2010...
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
