Why do MFC programmers love dialog based apps so much?
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Rob Manderson wrote: Gee Marc, tell us what you really think LOL Rob, I think you just silenced the un-silencable Marc Clifton. Nish
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Poor planning. cheers, Chris Maunder
I think it could also be blamed on a combination of feature creep, available time remaining on the schedule, and management not wanted to admit they were wrong about the initial design and that the programmer writing the app was right all along. You may think I'm being a bit sarcastic about that last item, but I've seen it happen more often than not. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Maybe because with an SDI app you have screw around with a derived CFrameWnd, a derived CFormView, and deal with the idiotic (in my opinion) document/view architecture, either ignoring it (which isn't easy, BTW) or using it (which isn't smart, in my book), whereas a CDialog is simpler because MFC and the high school kids that wrote it don't get as much in the way of doing what you really want to do, which is get something working, instead of cursing at Microsoft's subversive plot to bog all programmers down in the quagmire of MFC while they (Microsoft) take over the world writing code in Pascal??? http://www.pseudodictionary.com/ramblerant[^] :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"I don't think MFC is a bad thing. If you go in with your eyes open concerning it's shortcomings, you can make much more use of it's strengths. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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So often you see people develop a dialog based app, then they add a menu to it, a status bar, make it resizable, make it scrollable, put a view inside it, add a document save-load option etc... Then why did they even go for a dialog based app? What they needed was an SDI app with a CFormView derived view. It's amazing how they take a dialog app and do everything to try and make it behave like an SDI app :-) Nish
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I have been writing MFC apps for many years. I have yet to do a dialog based one! In my time I have only done 1 SDI type app as well (back in VC 1.5). These days I always stick to MFC MDI as I know it so well. I am scared of dialog based apps. :omg: Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 Were you different as a kid? Did you ever say "Ooohhh, shiny red" even once? - Paul Watson 11-February-2003
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Mooohhhahaha! I always tease my colleague for making MFC dialog apps. -- Some of them wants to abuse you Some of the wants to be abused by you
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So often you see people develop a dialog based app, then they add a menu to it, a status bar, make it resizable, make it scrollable, put a view inside it, add a document save-load option etc... Then why did they even go for a dialog based app? What they needed was an SDI app with a CFormView derived view. It's amazing how they take a dialog app and do everything to try and make it behave like an SDI app :-) Nish
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:)Probaable reasons... 1. When people migrate from VB to VC, dialog based app is (comparatively)easier way to shift. 2. When Document-View architecture not required in project. Anand
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How did you know that deep in my past I had some Unix experience? ;) But seriously, I'm writing applications based on someone's framework. If they provide the source code doesn't it make sense to have a look at the quality of the code? If they don't provide the source code at least let's look at all the constants and see if they missed something in the docs that maybe I need to know about ;) Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net
Having the source code for someone elses library/application is great for the reasons you mention. And it is very much possible to grep around to see what the hell is going on. :-D (Very valueble indeed!) -- In the land of the blind, be king! Some day, Dominion, some say prayers, now I say mine.
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.S.Rod. wrote: - WIN32-style app programming heritage How so? I dont think Win32/SDK coding was dialog-oriented at all! .S.Rod. wrote: fear that the CView-derived objects are such odd objects that it removes a lot of freedom This is a very likely reason. .S.Rod. wrote: MSDN doesn't make clear enough the fact that the CView class derives CWnd Oh! I never noticed that. I always took for granted that everyone would assume CWnd inheritance for CView, CDialog etc... Nish
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Nishant S wrote: I always took for granted that everyone would assume CWnd inheritance for CView, CDialog CDocument... :rolleyes: Or anyway, that error seems to show up in questions rather a lot. ---
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Hello, the CPians around the world. ;) Chris Maunder wrote: Poor planning. Humm, I don't believe that Chris Maunder wrote this answer.:eek: Simply saying, if we keep using only dialog base application by MFC, this wastes time so much. Try to use VB to do this unless we don't use C or C++ library. :omg: If we write SDI or MDI by MFC very well, the dialog is only used to set the property of some data, I believe. Otherwise, we never feel the beauty of MFC. (I don't read the other's message in detail, so ...?) -Masaaki Onishi (eCoolSoft)- ASP.NET Web and Windows Application Development by C# and MFC. eCoolWebPanelBar(BETA) is availabe now. http://www.ecoolsoft.com
:) My facetious answer was meant to convey the situation where a programemer may decide that they want a quick app - so they start with a dialog based app and work from there. Then they realise they have a bunch of options to offer, so they shoe-horn in a menu. Then they decide to add status info, hence a statusbar - and on it goes. Obviously not a common scenario for most programmers but I do remember doing exactly this when I was first starting out ;) cheers, Chris Maunder
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Poor planning. cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: Poor planning. I thought it was no planning that caused it :) -BestSnowman
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Just FYI, you can add this code to the CFormView derived class's OnInitialUpdate function to remove the "recessed" border on the SDI app:
ModifyStyleEx( WS_EX_CLIENTEDGE, 0, SWP_DRAWFRAME );
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I don't think MFC is a bad thing. If you go in with your eyes open concerning it's shortcomings, you can make much more use of it's strengths. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: If you go in with your eyes open concerning it's shortcomings, Aye, there's the rub. Given Microsoft's EULA on .NET "though shalt not benchmark .NET", going in with open eyes is pretty hard to do nowadays. Microsoft's slogan should be "where you buy into our new technologies with eyes wide shut". Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"
