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  • M Marc Clifton

    http://www.holeearth.net/[^] Part of an exhibition by the local artists[^] near where I live. I think art is the only "profession" where you can produce something utterly meaningless and have people exclaim "wow, that is so profound." As my girlfriend said, psychology comes close. [edit] And on this page[^] (website by one of the artist/producers): > Thanks and we look forward to hearing from you, and at the bottom of the page: > Comments You do not have permission to add comments. Ah, the irony! Actually, I probably have something to do with that. I once posted a comment on a YouTube video that was, well, let's just say, not very complementary. After that, comments were closed, and that now seems to be the norm. :laugh: [/edit] Marc

    Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny

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    Marc Clifton wrote:

    art is the only "profession" where you can produce something utterly meaningless and have people exclaim "wow

    Not politics, advertising, literary criticism, new age guruing, sports punditry, .... ?

    I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      More pretentious twaddle by talentless twits.

      Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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      But remember the enablers:   those privileged with money who use it to buy what they perceive to be prestige. Like so many things, they're market driven and stupidity endorsed. Meanwhile, back in real life, someone needs to work two full time jobs just to barely feed their family.

      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

      "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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      • M Marc Clifton

        http://www.holeearth.net/[^] Part of an exhibition by the local artists[^] near where I live. I think art is the only "profession" where you can produce something utterly meaningless and have people exclaim "wow, that is so profound." As my girlfriend said, psychology comes close. [edit] And on this page[^] (website by one of the artist/producers): > Thanks and we look forward to hearing from you, and at the bottom of the page: > Comments You do not have permission to add comments. Ah, the irony! Actually, I probably have something to do with that. I once posted a comment on a YouTube video that was, well, let's just say, not very complementary. After that, comments were closed, and that now seems to be the norm. :laugh: [/edit] Marc

        Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny

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        Maximilien
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        With a comment like OG just made, no wonder people close the comments on their web site.

        I'd rather be phishing!

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        • M Marc Clifton

          http://www.holeearth.net/[^] Part of an exhibition by the local artists[^] near where I live. I think art is the only "profession" where you can produce something utterly meaningless and have people exclaim "wow, that is so profound." As my girlfriend said, psychology comes close. [edit] And on this page[^] (website by one of the artist/producers): > Thanks and we look forward to hearing from you, and at the bottom of the page: > Comments You do not have permission to add comments. Ah, the irony! Actually, I probably have something to do with that. I once posted a comment on a YouTube video that was, well, let's just say, not very complementary. After that, comments were closed, and that now seems to be the norm. :laugh: [/edit] Marc

          Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny

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          Mike Hankey
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          If he got in the hole and they threw the dirt back in over him...now that would be art! :)

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          • M Maximilien

            With a comment like OG just made, no wonder people close the comments on their web site.

            I'd rather be phishing!

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            Jorgen Andersson
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            He's still right.

            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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              He's still right.

              Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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              Maximilien
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              In what way is he right ? He is simply insulting for sake of being insulting. He does not like what Marc linked to and by extension, good for OG, there are tons of artists I don't like their artwork, but I just don't go out and be insulting and dismissive of their career and work portfolio.

              I'd rather be phishing!

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              • M Marc Clifton

                http://www.holeearth.net/[^] Part of an exhibition by the local artists[^] near where I live. I think art is the only "profession" where you can produce something utterly meaningless and have people exclaim "wow, that is so profound." As my girlfriend said, psychology comes close. [edit] And on this page[^] (website by one of the artist/producers): > Thanks and we look forward to hearing from you, and at the bottom of the page: > Comments You do not have permission to add comments. Ah, the irony! Actually, I probably have something to do with that. I once posted a comment on a YouTube video that was, well, let's just say, not very complementary. After that, comments were closed, and that now seems to be the norm. :laugh: [/edit] Marc

                Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny

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                Tom Deketelaere
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                :confused: I don't get it, he digs a hole, then sits / stands in it and that's "art"? By that definition we are all artists, I'm pretty sure we all at one point during our lives did that (at the beach, during renovations, ...) I'm sure it's me that doesn't understand the profound meaning of this...

                Tom

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  More pretentious twaddle by talentless twits.

                  Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                  Slacker007
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                  OriginalGriff wrote:

                  More pretentious twaddle by talentless twits.

                  :thumbsup: Artsy fartsy people :shrugs shoulders:

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                  • M Maximilien

                    With a comment like OG just made, no wonder people close the comments on their web site.

                    I'd rather be phishing!

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                    Slacker007
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                    I agree with Griff. IMHO, this is not art, this is a colossal waste of time and human effort.

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      http://www.holeearth.net/[^] Part of an exhibition by the local artists[^] near where I live. I think art is the only "profession" where you can produce something utterly meaningless and have people exclaim "wow, that is so profound." As my girlfriend said, psychology comes close. [edit] And on this page[^] (website by one of the artist/producers): > Thanks and we look forward to hearing from you, and at the bottom of the page: > Comments You do not have permission to add comments. Ah, the irony! Actually, I probably have something to do with that. I once posted a comment on a YouTube video that was, well, let's just say, not very complementary. After that, comments were closed, and that now seems to be the norm. :laugh: [/edit] Marc

                      Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny

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                      Kevin Marois
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                      If that's art then Golf is a sport

                      If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                      • M Marc Clifton

                        http://www.holeearth.net/[^] Part of an exhibition by the local artists[^] near where I live. I think art is the only "profession" where you can produce something utterly meaningless and have people exclaim "wow, that is so profound." As my girlfriend said, psychology comes close. [edit] And on this page[^] (website by one of the artist/producers): > Thanks and we look forward to hearing from you, and at the bottom of the page: > Comments You do not have permission to add comments. Ah, the irony! Actually, I probably have something to do with that. I once posted a comment on a YouTube video that was, well, let's just say, not very complementary. After that, comments were closed, and that now seems to be the norm. :laugh: [/edit] Marc

                        Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny

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                        Some guy once put a urinal in a museum[^] and called it art. The worst part is that, in artistic circles, it's a highly esteemed work of art. And what about John Cage who sat on stage, behind his piano, and did absolutely nothing for a good four minutes[^]. Said he "composed silence"... As it happens I have a bachelor in Common Art and Cultural Sciences. The bachelor is pretty cool (it's about "what is art", "what drives artists", "how does art shape society and/or vice versa"), the arts not so much :)

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                        Regards, Sander

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                        • M Marc Clifton

                          http://www.holeearth.net/[^] Part of an exhibition by the local artists[^] near where I live. I think art is the only "profession" where you can produce something utterly meaningless and have people exclaim "wow, that is so profound." As my girlfriend said, psychology comes close. [edit] And on this page[^] (website by one of the artist/producers): > Thanks and we look forward to hearing from you, and at the bottom of the page: > Comments You do not have permission to add comments. Ah, the irony! Actually, I probably have something to do with that. I once posted a comment on a YouTube video that was, well, let's just say, not very complementary. After that, comments were closed, and that now seems to be the norm. :laugh: [/edit] Marc

                          Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny

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                          Daniel Pfeffer
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                          The problem is that we are (collectively) rich enough to be able to support such wastes of oxygen without counting the cost. In some cases, such support even comes from the public purse! In earlier times they would never have found patrons, and would therefore have either starved in their garrets or had to work for their livings.

                          If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                          • M Maximilien

                            In what way is he right ? He is simply insulting for sake of being insulting. He does not like what Marc linked to and by extension, good for OG, there are tons of artists I don't like their artwork, but I just don't go out and be insulting and dismissive of their career and work portfolio.

                            I'd rather be phishing!

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                            Mark_Wallace
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                            But the portfolio of an artist has to display his level of skill and training, not just (what some might call) brainfart ideas to make money for nothing. If a painter, for example, can't paint a skillful and admirable realistic representation of a [whatever], then he is not the person to paint it in abstract, and should be scorned for doing so. It's like, I can play the piano badly, and that might get a few giggles because I'm a nobody where pianos are concerned, but if a master pianist intentionally plays badly, it's hilarious. And if he intentionally plays eccentrically, to invoke unexpected feelings, then it's genius; but if I piddle about with the keys and invoke unexpected feelings, I don't call it art, because I don't have the skill, knowledge, or ability to back up such a claim. You have to master a craft, before you can expand it.

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                            • M Marc Clifton

                              http://www.holeearth.net/[^] Part of an exhibition by the local artists[^] near where I live. I think art is the only "profession" where you can produce something utterly meaningless and have people exclaim "wow, that is so profound." As my girlfriend said, psychology comes close. [edit] And on this page[^] (website by one of the artist/producers): > Thanks and we look forward to hearing from you, and at the bottom of the page: > Comments You do not have permission to add comments. Ah, the irony! Actually, I probably have something to do with that. I once posted a comment on a YouTube video that was, well, let's just say, not very complementary. After that, comments were closed, and that now seems to be the norm. :laugh: [/edit] Marc

                              Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny

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                              Mark_Wallace
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                              Some people couldn't have a genuinely original thought if they were left to do nothing but try for twenty years. Plenty of people are willing to say that every mindless, pointless idea they have is great and creative, though -- especially when other people later see meanings in the "work" that the "artist" hadn't thought of.

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                              • M Mark_Wallace

                                But the portfolio of an artist has to display his level of skill and training, not just (what some might call) brainfart ideas to make money for nothing. If a painter, for example, can't paint a skillful and admirable realistic representation of a [whatever], then he is not the person to paint it in abstract, and should be scorned for doing so. It's like, I can play the piano badly, and that might get a few giggles because I'm a nobody where pianos are concerned, but if a master pianist intentionally plays badly, it's hilarious. And if he intentionally plays eccentrically, to invoke unexpected feelings, then it's genius; but if I piddle about with the keys and invoke unexpected feelings, I don't call it art, because I don't have the skill, knowledge, or ability to back up such a claim. You have to master a craft, before you can expand it.

                                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                Mark_Wallace wrote:

                                make money for nothing

                                That's kind of an art, one that I'm unfortunately not very good at.

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                                • M Maximilien

                                  In what way is he right ? He is simply insulting for sake of being insulting. He does not like what Marc linked to and by extension, good for OG, there are tons of artists I don't like their artwork, but I just don't go out and be insulting and dismissive of their career and work portfolio.

                                  I'd rather be phishing!

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                                  Jorgen Andersson
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                                  Maximilien wrote:

                                  In what way is he right

                                  In about every single word. But that's my opinion, you're of course entitled to your own.

                                  Maximilien wrote:

                                  He is simply insulting for sake of being insulting.

                                  I disagree, he's simply calling a spade a spade. I just hope the "artist" paid for the travels himself or had a sugardaddy paying it for him.

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                                    Mark_Wallace wrote:

                                    make money for nothing

                                    That's kind of an art, one that I'm unfortunately not very good at.

                                    "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                                    Mark_Wallace
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                                    I believe it's called "con-art". I's closely associated with con-stipation (for the victims) and con-vict for the perpetrators).

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                                    • M Mark_Wallace

                                      But the portfolio of an artist has to display his level of skill and training, not just (what some might call) brainfart ideas to make money for nothing. If a painter, for example, can't paint a skillful and admirable realistic representation of a [whatever], then he is not the person to paint it in abstract, and should be scorned for doing so. It's like, I can play the piano badly, and that might get a few giggles because I'm a nobody where pianos are concerned, but if a master pianist intentionally plays badly, it's hilarious. And if he intentionally plays eccentrically, to invoke unexpected feelings, then it's genius; but if I piddle about with the keys and invoke unexpected feelings, I don't call it art, because I don't have the skill, knowledge, or ability to back up such a claim. You have to master a craft, before you can expand it.

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                                      Jorgen Andersson
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                                      Mark_Wallace wrote:

                                      but if a master pianist intentionally plays badly, it's hilarious

                                      Made me think of this[^]

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                                      • M Mark_Wallace

                                        But the portfolio of an artist has to display his level of skill and training, not just (what some might call) brainfart ideas to make money for nothing. If a painter, for example, can't paint a skillful and admirable realistic representation of a [whatever], then he is not the person to paint it in abstract, and should be scorned for doing so. It's like, I can play the piano badly, and that might get a few giggles because I'm a nobody where pianos are concerned, but if a master pianist intentionally plays badly, it's hilarious. And if he intentionally plays eccentrically, to invoke unexpected feelings, then it's genius; but if I piddle about with the keys and invoke unexpected feelings, I don't call it art, because I don't have the skill, knowledge, or ability to back up such a claim. You have to master a craft, before you can expand it.

                                        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                        Maximilien
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                                        Mark_Wallace wrote:

                                        If a painter, for example, can't paint a skillful and admirable realistic representation of a [whatever], then he is not the person to paint it in abstract, and should be scorned for doing so.

                                        Why not. Technical ability is not a necessity for a piece of art to be meaningful (achieve emotional response, which is what art should be) to people;

                                        I'd rather be phishing!

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                                        • M Marc Clifton

                                          http://www.holeearth.net/[^] Part of an exhibition by the local artists[^] near where I live. I think art is the only "profession" where you can produce something utterly meaningless and have people exclaim "wow, that is so profound." As my girlfriend said, psychology comes close. [edit] And on this page[^] (website by one of the artist/producers): > Thanks and we look forward to hearing from you, and at the bottom of the page: > Comments You do not have permission to add comments. Ah, the irony! Actually, I probably have something to do with that. I once posted a comment on a YouTube video that was, well, let's just say, not very complementary. After that, comments were closed, and that now seems to be the norm. :laugh: [/edit] Marc

                                          Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny

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                                          Maximilien
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                                          :thumbsup: It is a fun piece of art; I like it.

                                          I'd rather be phishing!

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