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Oracle is a piece of shit!

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    Super Lloyd
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    That is all I have to say, nothing more to add... Although.. I do wonder why people are *still* using Oracle! :O I mean, if you hate MS, why not use MySql instead?

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      That is all I have to say, nothing more to add... Although.. I do wonder why people are *still* using Oracle! :O I mean, if you hate MS, why not use MySql instead?

      All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar DirectX for WinRT/C# since 2013! Taking over the world since 1371!

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      jgakenhe
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      Their stock sure is; it got a beat down today. We have our main stuff on Oracle and it doesn't bother me, though I prefer SQL Server. Some of our smaller applications use SQL Server. My biggest complaints with Oracle is that it is very finicky compared to SQL Server, those cryptic error messages don't help much, and there are compatibility issues with previous versions of .Net and Oracle. Also, SQL Developer and Toad are horrible IDEs; which doesn't make development as much fun as SQL Server.

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        That is all I have to say, nothing more to add... Although.. I do wonder why people are *still* using Oracle! :O I mean, if you hate MS, why not use MySql instead?

        All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar DirectX for WinRT/C# since 2013! Taking over the world since 1371!

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        RossMW
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        Hate Oracle myself, but have to use it as some of our system aren't designed by the vendors on anything else. There licensing rules on virtual machines and how many core are on the machine instead of how many you are using make it an expense pain in the *****

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          Their stock sure is; it got a beat down today. We have our main stuff on Oracle and it doesn't bother me, though I prefer SQL Server. Some of our smaller applications use SQL Server. My biggest complaints with Oracle is that it is very finicky compared to SQL Server, those cryptic error messages don't help much, and there are compatibility issues with previous versions of .Net and Oracle. Also, SQL Developer and Toad are horrible IDEs; which doesn't make development as much fun as SQL Server.

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          jgakenhe wrote:

          SQL Developer and Toad are horrible IDEs

          Can't agree more. Oracle SQL Developer is leaking memory horribly. Every now and then it becomes unresponsive. Toad too has its own issue.. pretty unfriendly UI I would say.. :doh:

          Thanks, Milind

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            Hate Oracle myself, but have to use it as some of our system aren't designed by the vendors on anything else. There licensing rules on virtual machines and how many core are on the machine instead of how many you are using make it an expense pain in the *****

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            Super Lloyd
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            Everytime I used Oracle I can't help but wonder "there are people who rave about Oracle? Who are those people!? :O"

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              Everytime I used Oracle I can't help but wonder "there are people who rave about Oracle? Who are those people!? :O"

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              jgakenhe
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              People who don't know or tried anything else.

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              • S Super Lloyd

                That is all I have to say, nothing more to add... Although.. I do wonder why people are *still* using Oracle! :O I mean, if you hate MS, why not use MySql instead?

                All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar DirectX for WinRT/C# since 2013! Taking over the world since 1371!

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                George Jonsson
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                Doesn't Oracle own MySQL these days?

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                • S Super Lloyd

                  That is all I have to say, nothing more to add... Although.. I do wonder why people are *still* using Oracle! :O I mean, if you hate MS, why not use MySql instead?

                  All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar DirectX for WinRT/C# since 2013! Taking over the world since 1371!

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                  Mark_Wallace
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                  For the same reason that MS has hardly ever lost business customers, no matter their antics: they have enough money to ensure continuance of service. Ever since Db4, I've been wondering why more people don't write their own databases. It ain't rocket surgery -- and if you don't use sql, there ain't no sql injection.

                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                  • S Super Lloyd

                    That is all I have to say, nothing more to add... Although.. I do wonder why people are *still* using Oracle! :O I mean, if you hate MS, why not use MySql instead?

                    All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar DirectX for WinRT/C# since 2013! Taking over the world since 1371!

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                    Sanjay K Gupta
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                    I also hate Oracle.

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                    • S Super Lloyd

                      That is all I have to say, nothing more to add... Although.. I do wonder why people are *still* using Oracle! :O I mean, if you hate MS, why not use MySql instead?

                      All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar DirectX for WinRT/C# since 2013! Taking over the world since 1371!

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                      Jorgen Andersson
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                      I'm working on SQLServer nowadays, but I would prefer Oracle. I think it's a lot to do with on what system you learned SQL. SQLServer is more forgiving than Oracle though, it's a bit like comparing VB with C#.

                      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                        I'm working on SQLServer nowadays, but I would prefer Oracle. I think it's a lot to do with on what system you learned SQL. SQLServer is more forgiving than Oracle though, it's a bit like comparing VB with C#.

                        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                        A few years ago I got saddled with having to work with Oracle and thought I would brush up on it (I had not used it in a decade). When I ran across an article by an Oracle DBA who praised Oracle for their requirement for all caps on TABLE AND FIELD names I ducked on the project. There are many things to dislike about Oracle but that was a deal breaker. Oh yeah and the POS Toad is another one.

                        Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                          Everytime I used Oracle I can't help but wonder "there are people who rave about Oracle? Who are those people!? :O"

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                          Dominic Burford
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                          They are Oracle consultants who get very rich from people using Oracle.

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                            That is all I have to say, nothing more to add... Although.. I do wonder why people are *still* using Oracle! :O I mean, if you hate MS, why not use MySql instead?

                            All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar DirectX for WinRT/C# since 2013! Taking over the world since 1371!

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                            Super Lloyd wrote:

                            I mean, if you hate MS, why not use MySql instead?

                            MySql is also owned by Oracle! ;P I'm actually surprised that it still exists and is free and open source. I would have thought that Oracle would have either retired it or made it a paid product by now. :doh: And seriously, after having worked with MySql: It's crap too! I would never, ever use it myself in a production system. It's a Mickey Mouse database system that is good for nothing but small homemade websites with minimal database requirements! X|

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                              Super Lloyd wrote:

                              I mean, if you hate MS, why not use MySql instead?

                              MySql is also owned by Oracle! ;P I'm actually surprised that it still exists and is free and open source. I would have thought that Oracle would have either retired it or made it a paid product by now. :doh: And seriously, after having worked with MySql: It's crap too! I would never, ever use it myself in a production system. It's a Mickey Mouse database system that is good for nothing but small homemade websites with minimal database requirements! X|

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                              I agree , for me I have a lot of time for Postgres - bit of a learning curve if you're from MS background but worth the effort.

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                                A few years ago I got saddled with having to work with Oracle and thought I would brush up on it (I had not used it in a decade). When I ran across an article by an Oracle DBA who praised Oracle for their requirement for all caps on TABLE AND FIELD names I ducked on the project. There are many things to dislike about Oracle but that was a deal breaker. Oh yeah and the POS Toad is another one.

                                Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                Jorgen Andersson
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                                Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                                When I ran across an article by an Oracle DBA who praised Oracle for their requirement for all caps on TABLE AND FIELD names I ducked on the project.

                                There is no such requirement, default behaviour is case insensitive. If you want them case sensitive you need to wrap them in double quotes "", same as [] on SQLServer. Personally I find the limit of 30 characters for Table and Column names a lot worse.

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                                  Super Lloyd wrote:

                                  I mean, if you hate MS, why not use MySql instead?

                                  MySql is also owned by Oracle! ;P I'm actually surprised that it still exists and is free and open source. I would have thought that Oracle would have either retired it or made it a paid product by now. :doh: And seriously, after having worked with MySql: It's crap too! I would never, ever use it myself in a production system. It's a Mickey Mouse database system that is good for nothing but small homemade websites with minimal database requirements! X|

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                                  Jorgen Andersson
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                                  Johnny J. wrote:

                                  It's a Mickey Mouse database system that is good for nothing but small homemade websites with minimal database requirements!

                                  Have you told Google? ;P

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                                    That is all I have to say, nothing more to add... Although.. I do wonder why people are *still* using Oracle! :O I mean, if you hate MS, why not use MySql instead?

                                    All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar DirectX for WinRT/C# since 2013! Taking over the world since 1371!

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                                    Sander Rossel
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                                    My company uses a lot of Oracle. Luckily I'm in the SQL Server team. Just this week a coworker from another team said to me "SQL Server is not a real database." I replied "For a not-database it has awesome tooling compared to the much more expensive Oracle." His mouth disagreed, but I'm pretty sure his heart knew I was right :)

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                                    Regards, Sander

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                                      Johnny J. wrote:

                                      It's a Mickey Mouse database system that is good for nothing but small homemade websites with minimal database requirements!

                                      Have you told Google? ;P

                                      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                      Johnny J
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                                      If I did that, I would get a Disney lawsuit on my hands faster than you can say "Goofy"! :doh:

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                                      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                        My company uses a lot of Oracle. Luckily I'm in the SQL Server team. Just this week a coworker from another team said to me "SQL Server is not a real database." I replied "For a not-database it has awesome tooling compared to the much more expensive Oracle." His mouth disagreed, but I'm pretty sure his heart knew I was right :)

                                        Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                                        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                        Regards, Sander

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                                        Super Lloyd
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                                        Yes! that! :D I rather work with "Not a database" which is awesome than a so called "real database" that can only be used remotely close to 10% efficiency by "real DBA"

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                                          I agree , for me I have a lot of time for Postgres - bit of a learning curve if you're from MS background but worth the effort.

                                          We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP

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                                          Super Lloyd
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                                          Well MySQL, Postgress, SQLite, blahblah, I am easy! ;P

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