Why any less wild?
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Paul Watson wrote: I don't need Linux or friends. Have you used the former at any point? We now know you havn't had the latter. Think of all the wonderfull cool people you meet at acne.org Linux.org
"If you just say porn then you get all manner of chaff and low grade stuff."
- Paul Watson, Lounge 25 Mar 03
"But a fresh install - it's like having clean sheets"
- C. Maunder Lounge 3 Mar '03
Jonathan 'nonny' Newman Homepage [www.nonny.com] [^]
Jonny Newman wrote: We now know you havn't had the latter. Touche! Damn that left a mark Jonny, ouch. I have used Linux, got it on a box about 6 feet from me actually. Not really my favourite system though. Also I found I ended up with less friends during my Linux phase. Though polar bears did keep sniffing around my keyboard a lot.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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brianwelsch wrote: Is that why conspiracy theorist are so screwed up? Donno, though i sorta think it might be the other way 'round - someone screwed them up & now they don't trust anyone.
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I can't believe it... the way you look sometimes. And i don't want it... the things you're offering me.
Chicken and egg, maybe. They don't trust anyone, so their beliefs are all out of whack, contridictory, unstable, etc.. BW "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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I am just curious here so go sprinkle that holy water on your geraniums; Why is the idea of aliens or supernatural phenomenon any wilder than the idea of God? None can be currently proved. All three have thousands of years of stories, myths, legends and records. Yet somehow a God fearing Christian or eastward praying Muslim thinks aliens are a total crock, as fanciful as Santa Claus. Frankly the idea of an all powerful God is wilder to me than the thought of other intelligent life eeking out and existance as we are somewhere in the universe. No super powers, no omniscience, no warp drive, they don't even have to have pointy ears. Just curious :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
Paul Watson wrote: Why is the idea of aliens or supernatural phenomenon any wilder than the idea of God? Actually, it's not. Paul Watson wrote: Just curious :) No problem Paul, keep asking more questions if you have them. If you don't ask, how will you learn? :rolleyes:
Regards,Rohit Sinha
...celebrating Indian spirit and Cricket. 8MB video, really cool!
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Really? :omg: I guess I'll just have to go on one of those miracle diets. :-D Regards, Alvaro
When birds fly in the right formation, they need only exert half the effort. Even in nature, teamwork results in collective laziness. -- despair.com
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Jonny Newman wrote: We now know you havn't had the latter. Touche! Damn that left a mark Jonny, ouch. I have used Linux, got it on a box about 6 feet from me actually. Not really my favourite system though. Also I found I ended up with less friends during my Linux phase. Though polar bears did keep sniffing around my keyboard a lot.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
Paul Watson wrote: Touche! Damn that left a mark Jonny, ouch. :jig: Well we know Dave W adores you. Paul Watson wrote: got it on a box about 6 feet from me actually. Mine is on the shelf that is hanging precariously above my head about 1 metre away. SuSE Personal 7.3. I tried Red Hat 6.something a while ago and found it boring. SuSE was a bit more XPesque with the new KDE it had. But in the end, Doing anything out of scope with the original 'out of the box' config proved difficult. Kernel modding and driver stuff. My idea of fun is not spending £100 on a new piece of kit, then spending the next three weeks writing a bloody driver for it. I may take more of an intrest when Mono comes out fully (thats the Linux .NET framework for those who don't know)
"If you just say porn then you get all manner of chaff and low grade stuff."
- Paul Watson, Lounge 25 Mar 03
"But a fresh install - it's like having clean sheets"
- C. Maunder Lounge 3 Mar '03
Jonathan 'nonny' Newman Homepage [www.nonny.com] [^]
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Paul Watson wrote: Why is the idea of aliens or supernatural phenomenon any wilder than the idea of God? Actually, it's not. Paul Watson wrote: Just curious :) No problem Paul, keep asking more questions if you have them. If you don't ask, how will you learn? :rolleyes:
Regards,Rohit Sinha
...celebrating Indian spirit and Cricket. 8MB video, really cool!
Rohit Sinha wrote: Actually, it's not. However many people will disagree with you, which is why I am asking. :) Rohit Sinha wrote: If you don't ask, how will you learn? By running into that yonder wall repeatedly. :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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Really? :omg: I guess I'll just have to go on one of those miracle diets. :-D Regards, Alvaro
When birds fly in the right formation, they need only exert half the effort. Even in nature, teamwork results in collective laziness. -- despair.com
Alvaro Mendez wrote: I guess I'll just have to go on one of those miracle diets I have faith in you Alvaro.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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Really? :omg: I guess I'll just have to go on one of those miracle diets. :-D Regards, Alvaro
When birds fly in the right formation, they need only exert half the effort. Even in nature, teamwork results in collective laziness. -- despair.com
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Rohit Sinha wrote: Actually, it's not. However many people will disagree with you, which is why I am asking. :) Rohit Sinha wrote: If you don't ask, how will you learn? By running into that yonder wall repeatedly. :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
Paul Watson wrote: By running into that yonder wall repeatedly. Now I'm concerned! :omg:
Regards,Rohit Sinha
...celebrating Indian spirit and Cricket. 8MB video, really cool!
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Paul Watson wrote: Touche! Damn that left a mark Jonny, ouch. :jig: Well we know Dave W adores you. Paul Watson wrote: got it on a box about 6 feet from me actually. Mine is on the shelf that is hanging precariously above my head about 1 metre away. SuSE Personal 7.3. I tried Red Hat 6.something a while ago and found it boring. SuSE was a bit more XPesque with the new KDE it had. But in the end, Doing anything out of scope with the original 'out of the box' config proved difficult. Kernel modding and driver stuff. My idea of fun is not spending £100 on a new piece of kit, then spending the next three weeks writing a bloody driver for it. I may take more of an intrest when Mono comes out fully (thats the Linux .NET framework for those who don't know)
"If you just say porn then you get all manner of chaff and low grade stuff."
- Paul Watson, Lounge 25 Mar 03
"But a fresh install - it's like having clean sheets"
- C. Maunder Lounge 3 Mar '03
Jonathan 'nonny' Newman Homepage [www.nonny.com] [^]
Jonny Newman wrote: Well we know Dave W adores you. And if that is the only person I can claim to be my friend then I am a rich man indeed :) Jonny Newman wrote: My idea of fun is not spending £100 on a new piece of kit, then spending the next three weeks writing a bloody driver for it Never had to write/hunt for a driver in all my years of using Windows. Actually, I lie. I tried to get a webcam which had "Windows 98 Only" written on it to work on Windows 2000. But that was me asking for it.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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Neil Gaiman's fantasy novel, American Gods[^], suggests Gods exist based on human worship. Meaning the more people worship a God the stronger he becomes. It's like they exist because we need them to exist. We have a need to explain things, and when observation or science fails, we create a God to explain the unexplainable in the world. It's as probable as anything to me. BW "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
Excellent story, just finished it saturday night. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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Paul Watson wrote: as fanciful as Santa Claus. That's it, Paul!! You talk about the unproven existance of God and aliens, but deny Santa's presence, and I've got to say something. :mad: I get presents each and every Christmas with the name Santa on at least one of them. That's all the proof I need. Although his penmanship is suspiciously like my mother's. :suss: :confused: Paul Watson wrote: Why is the idea of aliens or supernatural phenomenon any wilder than the idea of God? What if .. oh, nevermind.;P BW "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
brianwelsch wrote: You talk about the unproven existance of God and aliens, but deny Santa's presence, and I've got to say something. I get presents each and every Christmas with the name Santa on at least one of them. That's all the proof I need. Point taken. I knew I should have used something made up instead of Santa Claus. :) brianwelsch wrote: Although his penmanship is suspiciously like my mother's Which could be proof not that Santa Claus is a fake, but that Santa Claus is your mother. :omg: brianwelsch wrote: What if .. oh, nevermind Way too subtle for me. What must I nevermind? :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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Paul Watson wrote: less intelectual book i wouldn't go that far. ;) Haven't read Pratchett, but my feeling is they are birds of a feather. One more fantastic the other more humourous. BW "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
brianwelsch wrote: the other more humourous. And in jest oft lies much truth. :) * I was pre-fending off the You Read Childrens Books lot who always flock around us Terry Pratchett fans. I am sick of having to add disclaimers when I mention him. :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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Jonny Newman wrote: Well we know Dave W adores you. And if that is the only person I can claim to be my friend then I am a rich man indeed :) Jonny Newman wrote: My idea of fun is not spending £100 on a new piece of kit, then spending the next three weeks writing a bloody driver for it Never had to write/hunt for a driver in all my years of using Windows. Actually, I lie. I tried to get a webcam which had "Windows 98 Only" written on it to work on Windows 2000. But that was me asking for it.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
Paul Watson wrote: And if that is the only person I can claim to be my friend then I am a rich man indeed *sniff* Thats so sweet. He'd be flattered Paul Watson wrote: Never had to write/hunt for a driver in all my years of using Windows. Me neither :-) God ET bless the commerial software world :-D Paul Watson wrote: Actually, I lie. I tried to get a webcam which had "Windows 98 Only" written on it to work on Windows 2000. But that was me asking for it. To this day, I have NEVER managed to get my SB Live! Sound Card to work 100%. When installed on 2000 or XP with the old drivers. The remote control thingy worked, but none of the software would work. When I updataed the driver and software, the card works, bu the remote control doesn't. These are all Win2K compatible drivers. It really annoys me.
"If you just say porn then you get all manner of chaff and low grade stuff."
- Paul Watson, Lounge 25 Mar 03
"But a fresh install - it's like having clean sheets"
- C. Maunder Lounge 3 Mar '03
Jonathan 'nonny' Newman Homepage [www.nonny.com] [^]
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Richard Stringer wrote: Therefore for the one thing that the existance is known ( life ) as compared to the two that the existance cannot or has not been proven I suggest that the odds are greater and the level of acceptance is higher Well exactly. So why is a Christian in charge of the most powerful country on Earth, yet a man who claims aliens exist is derided for being a nut? Richard Stringer wrote: This may lead one to conclude that there cannot be any life elsewhere because it is not mentioned in the Bible or the Koran or whatever religious text you hold near and dear. I think their counter would be; God has a plan. The Bible does not exclude alien existance, it does not speak of it. God tells us what we need to know, and in his judgement we do not need to know about life forms elsewhere. Something like that. Most organised religions are very clever in being able to counter things like that with the simple "God has a plan" statement.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
Paul Watson wrote: Well exactly. So why is a Christian in charge of the most powerful country on Earth, yet a man who claims aliens exist is derided for being a nut? Well I guess I can accept part of this question but am lost on the other. Where is it said that a man who believes in alien life is a nut ? Carl Sagan is not considered a nut nor was Issac Asimov or a plethora of others I could name. I think that the UFO buffs are the one tagged with the "nuts" sorbiquet. Paul Watson wrote: The Bible does not exclude alien existance, it does not speak of it Re read Genisis with attention on the order of creation. Paul Watson wrote: and in his judgement we do not need to know about life forms elsewhere SO if and when we find them its now time. How convienient. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles
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Chris Losinger wrote: nearly everyone has a religion of some kind Yup. I used to have a friend that said, "If I had to choose a God, I'd choose the sun as the giver of life." Well, at least many wouldn't deny his God's existence. :) Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: I used to have a friend that said, "If I had to choose a God, I'd choose the sun as the giver of life." Well, at least many wouldn't deny his God's existence. Yet we chuckle and think "How quaint" at the many past beliefs which placed the Sun as their central god. I guess I just get frustrated when we, myself included, laugh at one belief and then go right on with another equally wild one.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: I used to have a friend that said, "If I had to choose a God, I'd choose the sun as the giver of life." Well, at least many wouldn't deny his God's existence. Yet we chuckle and think "How quaint" at the many past beliefs which placed the Sun as their central god. I guess I just get frustrated when we, myself included, laugh at one belief and then go right on with another equally wild one.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
Paul Watson wrote: I guess I just get frustrated when we, myself included, laugh at one belief and then go right on with another equally wild one. Here here. Jeremy Falcon
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brianwelsch wrote: You talk about the unproven existance of God and aliens, but deny Santa's presence, and I've got to say something. I get presents each and every Christmas with the name Santa on at least one of them. That's all the proof I need. Point taken. I knew I should have used something made up instead of Santa Claus. :) brianwelsch wrote: Although his penmanship is suspiciously like my mother's Which could be proof not that Santa Claus is a fake, but that Santa Claus is your mother. :omg: brianwelsch wrote: What if .. oh, nevermind Way too subtle for me. What must I nevermind? :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
Paul Watson wrote: but that Santa Claus is your mother Sweet Junipers! D'ya think?? She is an awfully kind lady.. :-D Heeeyyy Wait-a-minute! You're not now suggesting my mother is a man, are you??!! ;P Paul Watson wrote: What must I nevermind? I really couldn't say where I was going with that one. I'm sure it could be forgotten with very little regret. :-O BW "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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Paul Watson wrote: Well exactly. So why is a Christian in charge of the most powerful country on Earth, yet a man who claims aliens exist is derided for being a nut? Well I guess I can accept part of this question but am lost on the other. Where is it said that a man who believes in alien life is a nut ? Carl Sagan is not considered a nut nor was Issac Asimov or a plethora of others I could name. I think that the UFO buffs are the one tagged with the "nuts" sorbiquet. Paul Watson wrote: The Bible does not exclude alien existance, it does not speak of it Re read Genisis with attention on the order of creation. Paul Watson wrote: and in his judgement we do not need to know about life forms elsewhere SO if and when we find them its now time. How convienient. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles
Richard Stringer wrote: Where is it said that a man who believes in alien life is a nut ? Nut was too strong a word. Rather that many Christians/Muslims/etc. will actively state that they think Mr. Sagan, Honourable Asimov and Sir. Clarke are wrong, a bit dellusional. Certainly talking about other life is far less sociably acceptable than mentioning sunday service. Richard Stringer wrote: Re read Genisis with attention on the order of creation. Care to point me to the part that says "and only Earth was filled with life"? I am no Bible scholar in anyway but isn't it rather ambiquos as to the question of other planets and life? Actually, there are definitley other planets out there, nobody can deny that now. Yet they are not mentioned in Genesis. Richard Stringer wrote: How convienient. It is indeed! Wonderful huh? I think it is fantastic that whoever created these things had such foresight as to provide inbuilt counters to us heathen's questions and attacks. Makes me almost believe ;)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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Richard Stringer wrote: This may lead one to conclude that there cannot be any life elsewhere because it is not mentioned in the Bible or the Koran or whatever religious text you hold near and dear. I guess that would make the enormous assumption that God choose to reveal the whole of life through the Bible, and not just bits that were relevant to us. BW "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
brianwelsch wrote: I guess that would make the enormous assumption that God choose to reveal the whole of life through the Bible, and not just bits that were relevant to us. Assuming that God wrote the Bible and it is not a collection of various writings by plain old men. Perhaps a brief venture into the secular history of what we now call the Bible is called for - how it came to be - would be rewarding. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles