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  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

    Learn HTML: it's like XML, but with some pre-defined elements such as p, ul, ol, li, input, etc. Learn CSS: # for id's, . for classes, all the other selectors you look up if you ever need them. Congrats, you now know the basics. The next step will be to actually use it and find out that everything does not work as you'd expect :sigh: horizontal/vertical-alignment? Never works. width? Only works when the moon and stars are aligned every 1000 years. line-height? Only on uhhh... That one element... You know? margin? Works when the width of the height is the size of the alignment of the parents child's parent width height size. float? For when you really want to mess up everything. I could go on, but there's only one conclusion I can make. HTML/CSS is the worst piece of crap 'technology' that's currently known to men (followed closely by Crystal Reports). It's not about learning it, because the idea is simple. It's about using it a lot, finding out all the quirks and inconsistencies, remembering them, and then knowing how to solve something the next time (but you probably forgot already and need to try out different combinations again). That's the true nature of HTML/CSS :sigh:

    Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

    Regards, Sander

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    Preach, brother. Personally, I can't figure out why they decided to use text to transmit web data instead of raw binary. Both would have to be parsed to be displayed anyway. While text may be readable, it requires 5X+ the bandwidth. Nowadays, when you visit most websites you get mabey 5KB of actual content and 350KB of pure B.S. (ads, scripts, etc...) that have to be pulled down from 30 different other websites.

    if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

      HTML and CSS/LESS :mad: Oh, and IE8 :mad: :mad: :mad: Need I say more? :(( :sigh:

      Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

      Regards, Sander

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      This cup is very appropriate: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41n43bgurLL.jpg[^]

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        This cup is very appropriate: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41n43bgurLL.jpg[^]

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        Sander Rossel
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        :thumbsup: :laugh:

        Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

        Regards, Sander

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        • A Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan

          Next time, pay very close attention to my signature.

          Quote:

          The sh*t I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem

          I wrote that when I was a web developer. Now, I am a happy man. :laugh:

          The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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          Sander Rossel
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          Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote:

          It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem

          The clouds are there, they probably have the wrong CSS (not visible, not in the DOM, transparent, off the page...) ;p I always say "life is a trail of tears and then you die." It usually lifts my spirit, but even my cheery self can't handle HTML/CSS :sigh:

          Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

          Regards, Sander

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            Sander Rossel wrote:

            The next step will be to actually use it and find out that everything does not work as you'd expect :sigh: horizontal/vertical-alignment? Never works. width? Only works when the moon and stars are aligned every 1000 years. line-height? Only on uhhh... That one element... You know? margin? Works when the width of the height is the size of the alignment of the parents child's parent width height size. float? For when you really want to mess up everything.

            Excuseme, but you forgot the most salient point - if you can get it to work in just one browser, you can guarantee it won't work in any other. I quit web development just before the death of classic ASP, and have been a happy man ever since. I even write in VB.net, rather than go back to web stuff. :-O :laugh:

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            Sander Rossel
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            Chris C-B wrote:

            if you can get it to work in just one browser, you can guarantee it won't work in any other.

            How could I forget about that :thumbsup: :laugh:

            Chris C-B wrote:

            I even write in VB.net

            It's just C# with slightly different syntax :D

            Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

            Regards, Sander

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            • L Lost User

              Sander Rossel wrote:

              JavaScript is a very nice and clean language full of features that are widely supported...

              Yes. In Mordor.

              The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
              This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
              "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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              I'm pretty sure those orcs were styled using HTML and CSS :laugh:

              Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

              Regards, Sander

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              • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote:

                It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem

                The clouds are there, they probably have the wrong CSS (not visible, not in the DOM, transparent, off the page...) ;p I always say "life is a trail of tears and then you die." It usually lifts my spirit, but even my cheery self can't handle HTML/CSS :sigh:

                Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                Regards, Sander

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                Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan
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                Poor web developer. :laugh: Take my tip: When something like this happen, leave the work and go relax. I watch a movie in that time, listen to music or at best I sleep.

                The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                  I'm pretty sure those orcs were styled using HTML and CSS :laugh:

                  Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                  Regards, Sander

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                  The orcs were just Sauron's first victims

                  The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                  This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                  "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                    The orcs were just Sauron's first victims

                    The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                    This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                    "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                    Vincent Maverick Durano
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                    CDP1802 wrote:

                    The orcs were just Sauron's first victims

                    Gollum was the first :laugh:

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                    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                      Come on! You are doing it for less then a year!!! I do web for almost 20 years - try IE6 or Netscape Navigator and you will find IE8 a nice guy :laugh:

                      Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                      Vincent Maverick Durano
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                      Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                      try IE6 or Netscape Navigator and you will find IE8 a nice guy

                      Indeed! :laugh:

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                      • R Rick York

                        This cup is very appropriate: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41n43bgurLL.jpg[^]

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                        Jeremy Falcon
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                        Ha ha ha ha ha!!! I laughed out loud for real with that.

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                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                          HTML and CSS/LESS :mad: Oh, and IE8 :mad: :mad: :mad: Need I say more? :(( :sigh:

                          Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                          Regards, Sander

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                          Jeremy Falcon
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                          IE8, the new IE6.

                          Jeremy Falcon

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                          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                            Learn HTML: it's like XML, but with some pre-defined elements such as p, ul, ol, li, input, etc. Learn CSS: # for id's, . for classes, all the other selectors you look up if you ever need them. Congrats, you now know the basics. The next step will be to actually use it and find out that everything does not work as you'd expect :sigh: horizontal/vertical-alignment? Never works. width? Only works when the moon and stars are aligned every 1000 years. line-height? Only on uhhh... That one element... You know? margin? Works when the width of the height is the size of the alignment of the parents child's parent width height size. float? For when you really want to mess up everything. I could go on, but there's only one conclusion I can make. HTML/CSS is the worst piece of crap 'technology' that's currently known to men (followed closely by Crystal Reports). It's not about learning it, because the idea is simple. It's about using it a lot, finding out all the quirks and inconsistencies, remembering them, and then knowing how to solve something the next time (but you probably forgot already and need to try out different combinations again). That's the true nature of HTML/CSS :sigh:

                            Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                            Regards, Sander

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                            Besinger
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                            I have to agree on the Crystal Reports! Everytime I touch one I have to reset the data connection! Nothing ever formats the way you want it. Please oh please let me replace them?

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                            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                              Learn HTML: it's like XML, but with some pre-defined elements such as p, ul, ol, li, input, etc. Learn CSS: # for id's, . for classes, all the other selectors you look up if you ever need them. Congrats, you now know the basics. The next step will be to actually use it and find out that everything does not work as you'd expect :sigh: horizontal/vertical-alignment? Never works. width? Only works when the moon and stars are aligned every 1000 years. line-height? Only on uhhh... That one element... You know? margin? Works when the width of the height is the size of the alignment of the parents child's parent width height size. float? For when you really want to mess up everything. I could go on, but there's only one conclusion I can make. HTML/CSS is the worst piece of crap 'technology' that's currently known to men (followed closely by Crystal Reports). It's not about learning it, because the idea is simple. It's about using it a lot, finding out all the quirks and inconsistencies, remembering them, and then knowing how to solve something the next time (but you probably forgot already and need to try out different combinations again). That's the true nature of HTML/CSS :sigh:

                              Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                              Regards, Sander

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                              Mark_Wallace
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                              I've found that HTML/CSS works a Hell of a lot better if you take out the CSS.

                              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                              • V Vincent Maverick Durano

                                Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

                                You actually said too much. You could have stopped at just "IE8", or even "IE", and we all would have known your plight.

                                LMAO! Very well said! But wait.. IE6 was worst :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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                                Vincent Maverick Durano wrote:

                                IE6

                                HOW DARE YOU USE SUCH FOUL LANGUAGE IN MY PRESENCE. :-D

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                                  Vincent Maverick Durano wrote:

                                  IE6

                                  HOW DARE YOU USE SUCH FOUL LANGUAGE IN MY PRESENCE. :-D

                                  A guide to posting questions on CodeProject

                                  Click this: Asking questions is a skill. Seriously, do it.
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                                  Vincent Maverick Durano
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                                  Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

                                  HOW DARE YOU USE SUCH FOUL LANGUAGE IN MY PRESENCE. :-D

                                  lol. My deepest apology your highness. But it's not even a language. It's a JOKE. IE6 was a JOKE! :laugh: :laugh:

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                                  • J Jeremy Falcon

                                    IE8, the new IE6.

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                                    Sander Rossel
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                                    And Edge is the new IE :D

                                    Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                    Regards, Sander

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                                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                      HTML and CSS/LESS :mad: Oh, and IE8 :mad: :mad: :mad: Need I say more? :(( :sigh:

                                      Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                                      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                      Regards, Sander

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                                      Kiriander
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                                      YOU can help phasing out IE8! If everyone stops supporting it, web users will be more inclined not to use a browser which makes all web sites look broken.

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                                      • K Kiriander

                                        YOU can help phasing out IE8! If everyone stops supporting it, web users will be more inclined not to use a browser which makes all web sites look broken.

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                                        Sander Rossel
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                                        I guess if I stop supporting IE8 my employer will stop supporting my bank account... :sigh:

                                        Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                                        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                        Regards, Sander

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                                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                          Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                                          You are doing it for less then a year

                                          Little longer than that. And I miss the good old WinForm days. WinForms, for UI development that just works :)

                                          Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                          Regards, Sander

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                                          Middle Manager
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                                          Amen brother!

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