Seriously?

Foothill

I don't know how it is in other parts of the world but here in the US, a really large chunk of the colleges and universities have shifted into diploma-mills where competence in the subject matter is less important then butts-in-seats. As the federal government rampped up their student loan programs, the states have been cutting their contributions to state higher education. With stable income, the universities have been forced to rely on student aid to fund their operations. It was no small leap from the attitude of promoting education to the, "hey, we can make money here" mindset. Quality education no longer matters, it's all about how many students they can keep in those classrooms from semester to semester and the student aid they bring.

if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

Suvendu Shekhar Giri

:wtf: First of all, quality of education now a days is in serious question here and then the self Interest in the topic really matters. Have seen so many people who have learned programming without even going to a technical univeristy.

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snorkie

I totally get it. I loved programming and went to college thinking it would teach me how to do it (they have "programming" classes). I found that every programming class in college assumed you had never done it before, so they all started over and never went in depth. I still dabbled on my own after college, but I didn't really start learning till I got my first full time gig programming (5 months after graduation). That first year of work was life changing. I was lucky to have a patient mentor as I learned the ropes. Still doing it 16 years later.

Hogan

Nelek

Polytechnic university are not so bad. I studied in one. Yes, some lectures could have been perfectly avoided, but many others were really cool and not at all easy. But, of course, I am speaking of 15 years ago. Before the Bachelors / Master restructuration in Europe.

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Nelek

Suvendu Shekhar Giri wrote:

Have seen so many people who have learned programming without even going to a technical univeristy.

But sadly, they won't always get the same job or the same salary as one with the degree, even one so incompetent as the one quoted. :sigh: :sigh:

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Lost User

Yes, seriously. Also not an incident, and prolly payed a lot to learn "all that". If degrees were so reliable then we wouldn't need a coding-challenge during an interview. So if I can get a degree I'll politely decline again.

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Forogar

Quote:

in the first couple weeks

I think I covered this on day one. By day two we were on to more complex things like if-then-else!

- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

programify

I agree :thumbsup:. I've held about 20 or 30 interviews over the past few years. My top tip is to focus on what the candidates hobbies are. If they don't include 'programming', 'running my own website', 'learning about coding', etc. then they can't be too serious about progamming for a living. If you want a well paid job in programming, be prepared to have no social life for many years. :-\

Suvendu Shekhar Giri

True :(

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realJSOP

programify wrote:

My top tip is to focus on what the candidates hobbies are. If they don't include 'programming', 'running my own website', 'learning about coding', etc. then they can't be too serious about progamming for a living.

My hobbies are my car, my dogs, sitting on the couch doing nothing, and sometimes writing a little code at home. Yeah, I have a web page but it only serves static pages and the most impressive thing on it is the rolling patriotic quote that changes every time you somehow refresh the page. It's been three years since I made any substantive change to it.

programify wrote:

If you want a well paid job in programming, be prepared to have no social life for many years.

Been there, done that, and after 35 years of writing code, I'm no longer interested in 20 hour work days. I put in 8 hours and get my work done. If it's a true emergency, I'll stay as long as necessary after my official quitting time. But that doesn't happen very often. Oh yeah, I'm at the point where I've forgotten more programming stuff than a lot of people know. I learn what I need to, but I'm of the belief that the old ways are generally the best ways.

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CPallini

I feel the OP feelings are correct.

Lost User

It helps a lot to have a good science type degree, especially in some kind of engineering, physics, or chemistry. I got my chemistry degree and worked 13 years in the lab, but always programmed on my own as a hobby. Got into programming professionally when the job market bottomed out for chemists in the 90's. All of the companies that I interviewed for had the mindset of "Oh, you have a chemistry degree. You must be smart enough to do this job." I still had to code in the interviews, but much better than not having a degree at all.

When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others. Same thing when you are stupid.

Nelek

That was not a problem of reading, that was a problem about understanding ;P ;) :rolleyes: BTW, the doh's, sigh's and unwell's were for the quoted guy, not for you :cool:

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Mark_Wallace

What made me laugh is that a bunch of guys at a company I used to work at had to take a Java course/exam. Some of them were C programmers, and some of them Java programmers. With no exception at all, the C guys scored A Lot higher than the Java guys.