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I agree :thumbsup:. I've held about 20 or 30 interviews over the past few years. My top tip is to focus on what the candidates hobbies are. If they don't include 'programming', 'running my own website', 'learning about coding', etc. then they can't be too serious about progamming for a living. If you want a well paid job in programming, be prepared to have no social life for many years. :-\
I have to tell you that I find your "preferences" questionable, and would ask you to re-assess them. From what I have seen, there are no such simple "attributes" that tell you if a guy will do a brilliant job or a bad one; it's more a case of seeing what frightens them and gets them interested.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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programify wrote:
My top tip is to focus on what the candidates hobbies are. If they don't include 'programming', 'running my own website', 'learning about coding', etc. then they can't be too serious about progamming for a living.
My hobbies are my car, my dogs, sitting on the couch doing nothing, and sometimes writing a little code at home. Yeah, I have a web page but it only serves static pages and the most impressive thing on it is the rolling patriotic quote that changes every time you somehow refresh the page. It's been three years since I made any substantive change to it.
programify wrote:
If you want a well paid job in programming, be prepared to have no social life for many years.
Been there, done that, and after 35 years of writing code, I'm no longer interested in 20 hour work days. I put in 8 hours and get my work done. If it's a true emergency, I'll stay as long as necessary after my official quitting time. But that doesn't happen very often. Oh yeah, I'm at the point where I've forgotten more programming stuff than a lot of people know. I learn what I need to, but I'm of the belief that the old ways are generally the best ways.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Bang on. Well said.
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I think I covered this on day one. By day two we were on to more complex things like if-then-else!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
It shouldn't even need to be covered. If someone who applies for such a course doesn't already know that much, they should transfer to home ec.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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It shouldn't even need to be covered. If someone who applies for such a course doesn't already know that much, they should transfer to home ec.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Maybe, but back then there were no home computers - this was all mainframe! I worked part-time at the college computer centre to supplement my partygrant money and had to wear a white coat!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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It shouldn't even need to be covered. If someone who applies for such a course doesn't already know that much, they should transfer to home ec.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Maybe, but back then there were no home computers - this was all mainframe! I worked part-time at the college computer centre to supplement my partygrant money and had to wear a white coat! :-D
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Maybe, but back then there were no home computers - this was all mainframe! I worked part-time at the college computer centre to supplement my partygrant money and had to wear a white coat!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
OH, I loved having to wear the white coat! Dev work sucks, these days :sigh:
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I agree :thumbsup:. I've held about 20 or 30 interviews over the past few years. My top tip is to focus on what the candidates hobbies are. If they don't include 'programming', 'running my own website', 'learning about coding', etc. then they can't be too serious about progamming for a living. If you want a well paid job in programming, be prepared to have no social life for many years. :-\
programify wrote:
then they can't be too serious about progamming for a living.
Nice top tip you've got there. :rolleyes: ( @chris-maunder : any update on that sarcasm emoticon?) My top tip is that someone who can't spell programming correctly can't possibly be too serious about doing it for a living.
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
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I studied computer science but it was so fast paced it was hard to learn ins and outs of any programming languages being taught. I had to do 8 subjects per semester and there were lot of non programming subjects from civil engineering , electrical engineering , mathematics etc. I had to go through 4 written exams in 6 month semester and there is no break between each subject exam. When I finished my degree I hardly had any experience that I can use in real world. I had to teach myself most of what I know. University helped me understand the fact that there is no option to hard work and there is always solution you just have to think like an engineer.
Zen and the art of software maintenance : rm -rf * Maths is like love : a simple idea but it can get complicated.
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
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Maybe you wasted your time then.
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
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Hey, in my CS class at the university, the professor was proud of teaching timeless knowledge instead of fads. His words. At the end, we've spent 4 pages writing an algorithm for a fictional register machine which I've written as half a page real assembly. That dude was really stuck in the idea that it's impossible to transfer assembly knowledge from one architecture to another so we needed to learn the most theoretical machine possible because only theoretical knowledge is transferable.
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
-knowledge on how to make variables -knows how to make different loops
I was ~12 years old and using my brothers C64 whenever he was not at home for some time to somehow discover what variables and loops are. When finally understanding those fundamentals, my mind was blown in front of the vastness of possibilities they offer. I am sure I muttered the words aloud at the time, with my helium-voice; "the possibilities are limitless!" Rest of my life has been just a case of exploring the limitless possibilities of my childhood discovery. Learning of other things has been merely a byproduct. In my life I've been trough few different levels of education in which there has been programming classes, in which the reoccurring phenomenon was "some" other students succeeding with good grades trough them without achieving/unlocking the mind-awe experience of "truly" understanding the possibilities offered by use of variables.
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
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Schools (at least good ones) don't teach how to work on a specific language. Their job is to give you notions of what's out there and abilities you can apply on basically any language.
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My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
If the problem is just translating to Java, it's just a matter of googling it. Java is but a means to an end. If you don't have the ability/desire to create the algorithm, your probably better of searching for a new line of work. I hate when people associate programming with a language (almost as much as I hate Java ;) )
Paulo Gomes Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight. —Bill Gates
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
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programify wrote:
My top tip is to focus on what the candidates hobbies are. If they don't include 'programming', 'running my own website', 'learning about coding', etc. then they can't be too serious about progamming for a living.
My hobbies are my car, my dogs, sitting on the couch doing nothing, and sometimes writing a little code at home. Yeah, I have a web page but it only serves static pages and the most impressive thing on it is the rolling patriotic quote that changes every time you somehow refresh the page. It's been three years since I made any substantive change to it.
programify wrote:
If you want a well paid job in programming, be prepared to have no social life for many years.
Been there, done that, and after 35 years of writing code, I'm no longer interested in 20 hour work days. I put in 8 hours and get my work done. If it's a true emergency, I'll stay as long as necessary after my official quitting time. But that doesn't happen very often. Oh yeah, I'm at the point where I've forgotten more programming stuff than a lot of people know. I learn what I need to, but I'm of the belief that the old ways are generally the best ways.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I'm at the point where I've forgotten more programming stuff than a lot of people know. I learn what I need to, but I'm of the belief that the old ways are generally the best ways.
True.
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
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To the original post... I'm so sorry to hear your dilemma, I've never gone to college or even taken a course on programming other than the SAMS "Learn Java in 21 days" book. I can highly recommend this book, from that base starting point I've gone on to learn C#, SQL, VB, js and many other tools. Learning to program is basically learning to think logically, nothing more. Language and syntax are tools, but they do you no good unless you can break down a problem into logical steps. Once you know the steps you can find the syntax. I will also say understand why you want to write programs, in my case my hobby is art and graphics (3D), but I wanted to do things that the applications available couldn't do, or wouldn't let me do. So I started writing my own programs, when I was finally able to do the things I wanted... I was hooked! My career took a completely different path, I became a machinist, then tool maker, got into CAD, then 3D CAD, started designing machines and processes, then became a manufacturing engineer. Along the way, as I needed to solve problems or analyze data, and the available tools (software) wouldn't do what I needed, guess what.... I made my own. I give you all of this because "why program" is a bigger question than how. Find a problem to solve, then figure it out. "Figure it out" is a matter of patience and tenacity more than knowledge or skill. Start small and simple then expand on that a little at a time. I'll be happy to help explain variables, OOP, and loops, and anything else you may need if you decide you really want to learn programming, but you first have to answer the question of "Why program" for yourself.
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programify wrote:
My top tip is to focus on what the candidates hobbies are. If they don't include 'programming', 'running my own website', 'learning about coding', etc. then they can't be too serious about progamming for a living.
My hobbies are my car, my dogs, sitting on the couch doing nothing, and sometimes writing a little code at home. Yeah, I have a web page but it only serves static pages and the most impressive thing on it is the rolling patriotic quote that changes every time you somehow refresh the page. It's been three years since I made any substantive change to it.
programify wrote:
If you want a well paid job in programming, be prepared to have no social life for many years.
Been there, done that, and after 35 years of writing code, I'm no longer interested in 20 hour work days. I put in 8 hours and get my work done. If it's a true emergency, I'll stay as long as necessary after my official quitting time. But that doesn't happen very often. Oh yeah, I'm at the point where I've forgotten more programming stuff than a lot of people know. I learn what I need to, but I'm of the belief that the old ways are generally the best ways.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013What he said :thumbsup: (Literally) I'll be damned if I sell my soul for any type of job. Having a love for something and *sustaining* that love for it should never be mutually exclusive options in life.
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
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Wow… 6 months ago I couldn't even spell engineer now I are one.
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What made me laugh is that a bunch of guys at a company I used to work at had to take a Java course/exam. Some of them were C programmers, and some of them Java programmers. With no exception at all, the C guys scored A Lot higher than the Java guys.
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That is because Object references in Java work exactly like C pointers. They just removed the address-of(&) and dereference(*) operator from Java so you can't see the addresses. Java always passes by copy/value even for object "pointers", so you often have copies of copies of copies of "pointers" all referring to the same object/memory allocation. Alas, Java has no const to protect the data on the end of the pointers. Java "final" with an Object declaration is only const to the pointer, not the data. This type of thinking is like breathing to a moderately proficient C programmer.
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Wow… 6 months ago I couldn't even spell engineer now I are one.
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