What I hate about VS.NET
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For the past 5-6 years I have been editing my files and when the file is checked in I type the first character, it bleeped, threw up the checkout box, I hit enter and typed the rest in. Now, I start typing and all the damn text goes into their checkout edit box, including the CR. I would like to shoot the idiot who thought of that. Its Ok if you realise the file is checked out, but if you have a whole load of files open you cant tell which are checked out and which are not. Why didnt they give any feedback, this is VISUAL Studio, maybe a red LH window border or something so I can at least see that a dialog is going to pop up...
Hell I thought it was funny .....
YEa I know I'm replying to mny own post. But has anyone else abandoned using VS.NET for adding functions to classes. I used to use the really neat dialog, type in the return type and functoin definition and hit enter. The new system is so bad I've gone back to editing the header and body by hand. Which idiots did they user test this junk on.
Hell I thought it was funny .....
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YEa I know I'm replying to mny own post. But has anyone else abandoned using VS.NET for adding functions to classes. I used to use the really neat dialog, type in the return type and functoin definition and hit enter. The new system is so bad I've gone back to editing the header and body by hand. Which idiots did they user test this junk on.
Hell I thought it was funny .....
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Me too.:) Brad Jennings "You're mom is nice. Mind if I go out with her?" - Jörgen Sigvardsson
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l a u r e n wrote: thats why i went back to vs6 Obviously there is a very clear distinction forming here. Roxor haxor programmers wot C++ use are sticking with VS6 and can't stand VS.NET. Leet newbie wannabie roxor haxor programmers wot any .NET Framework bits use are flocking to VS.NET, loving it to bits and announcing the death of VS6. So really the distinction is; If you are using the .NET Framework then use VS.NET. Otherwise stick with VS6. I use the .NET Framework. * And all the exceptions to the rule can pipe down; have a fag, calm down and enjoy your pseudo-Friday
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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YEa I know I'm replying to mny own post. But has anyone else abandoned using VS.NET for adding functions to classes. I used to use the really neat dialog, type in the return type and functoin definition and hit enter. The new system is so bad I've gone back to editing the header and body by hand. Which idiots did they user test this junk on.
Hell I thought it was funny .....
Bangerman wrote: Which idiots did they user test this junk on. And people wonder why I never bothered to learn all this fancy-shmancy IDE stuff. That way, when I upgrade, I don't have the slightest clue as to what I'm missing, because I don't use all that fancy wizard and auto-code generation stuff! Ignorance is truly bliss. Don't worry though, they'll screw with the editor too, one day. They'll probably cite homeland security as a reason to hit every key twice. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
For the past 5-6 years I have been editing my files and when the file is checked in I type the first character, it bleeped, threw up the checkout box, I hit enter and typed the rest in. Now, I start typing and all the damn text goes into their checkout edit box, including the CR. I would like to shoot the idiot who thought of that. Its Ok if you realise the file is checked out, but if you have a whole load of files open you cant tell which are checked out and which are not. Why didnt they give any feedback, this is VISUAL Studio, maybe a red LH window border or something so I can at least see that a dialog is going to pop up...
Hell I thought it was funny .....
Bangerman wrote: For the past 5-6 years I have been editing my files and when the file is checked in I type the first character, it bleeped, threw up the checkout box, I hit enter and typed the rest in. And people working with readonly files think that this is a good model for a version control system... For the past 2-3 years, I have been editing my files and when the file is checked in I type the first character, the second, the 3rd, all the chars I need, without a single beep, warning or question, and then I check in the file again. Simple as that. I LOVE CVS! Say NO to readonly files!
It's not the fall that kills you: it's the sudden stop - Down by Law, Jim Jamursch (1986)
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l a u r e n wrote: thats why i went back to vs6 Obviously there is a very clear distinction forming here. Roxor haxor programmers wot C++ use are sticking with VS6 and can't stand VS.NET. Leet newbie wannabie roxor haxor programmers wot any .NET Framework bits use are flocking to VS.NET, loving it to bits and announcing the death of VS6. So really the distinction is; If you are using the .NET Framework then use VS.NET. Otherwise stick with VS6. I use the .NET Framework. * And all the exceptions to the rule can pipe down; have a fag, calm down and enjoy your pseudo-Friday
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
Uhm. I'm not using the .NET Framework, but I do C++ programming with VS.NET. Am I the official C++ bastard? :) -- Nicotine free: day 3
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Bangerman wrote: For the past 5-6 years I have been editing my files and when the file is checked in I type the first character, it bleeped, threw up the checkout box, I hit enter and typed the rest in. And people working with readonly files think that this is a good model for a version control system... For the past 2-3 years, I have been editing my files and when the file is checked in I type the first character, the second, the 3rd, all the chars I need, without a single beep, warning or question, and then I check in the file again. Simple as that. I LOVE CVS! Say NO to readonly files!
It's not the fall that kills you: it's the sudden stop - Down by Law, Jim Jamursch (1986)
So you manage bug or dev activity file grouping over time with a separate .txt file ? It's the beauty of Clearcase for instance to let you both create activities on a set of files, checkin, then sync by activity name (with full rollback capability of course).
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Uhm. I'm not using the .NET Framework, but I do C++ programming with VS.NET. Am I the official C++ bastard? :) -- Nicotine free: day 3
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Am I the official C++ bastard? You wan't to be, don't you? You bad, bad boy. :rolleyes:
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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So you manage bug or dev activity file grouping over time with a separate .txt file ? It's the beauty of Clearcase for instance to let you both create activities on a set of files, checkin, then sync by activity name (with full rollback capability of course).
.S.Rod. wrote: So you manage bug or dev activity file grouping over time with a separate .txt file ? No, with a simple Public Folder with task items on our Exchange Server. Simplicity rules!
It's not the fall that kills you: it's the sudden stop - Down by Law, Jim Jamursch (1986)
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l a u r e n wrote: thats why i went back to vs6 Obviously there is a very clear distinction forming here. Roxor haxor programmers wot C++ use are sticking with VS6 and can't stand VS.NET. Leet newbie wannabie roxor haxor programmers wot any .NET Framework bits use are flocking to VS.NET, loving it to bits and announcing the death of VS6. So really the distinction is; If you are using the .NET Framework then use VS.NET. Otherwise stick with VS6. I use the .NET Framework. * And all the exceptions to the rule can pipe down; have a fag, calm down and enjoy your pseudo-Friday
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
Paul Watson wrote: And all the exceptions to the rule can pipe down *John pipes down* :) "Yeah, and I invented the spellchecker" - fellow inventor Dan Quayle on hearing that Al Gore invented the Internet.
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l a u r e n wrote: thats why i went back to vs6 Obviously there is a very clear distinction forming here. Roxor haxor programmers wot C++ use are sticking with VS6 and can't stand VS.NET. Leet newbie wannabie roxor haxor programmers wot any .NET Framework bits use are flocking to VS.NET, loving it to bits and announcing the death of VS6. So really the distinction is; If you are using the .NET Framework then use VS.NET. Otherwise stick with VS6. I use the .NET Framework. * And all the exceptions to the rule can pipe down; have a fag, calm down and enjoy your pseudo-Friday
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
Paul Watson wrote: Roxor haxor programmers wot C++ use are ...faster at typing in function definitions manually anyway, so don't give a shit... :rolleyes:
- Shog9 -
Fat and soft, pink and weak / Foot and thigh, tongue and cheek You know I'm told they swallow you whole / Skin and bone. - Queens Of The Stone Age, Mosquito Song
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Bangerman wrote: Which idiots did they user test this junk on. And people wonder why I never bothered to learn all this fancy-shmancy IDE stuff. That way, when I upgrade, I don't have the slightest clue as to what I'm missing, because I don't use all that fancy wizard and auto-code generation stuff! Ignorance is truly bliss. Don't worry though, they'll screw with the editor too, one day. They'll probably cite homeland security as a reason to hit every key twice. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"hear hear! death to wizards! as a friend used to say: "Wizards, twice the UI with half the functionality!" -c
Chris Losinger
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Paul Watson wrote: Roxor haxor programmers wot C++ use are ...faster at typing in function definitions manually anyway, so don't give a shit... :rolleyes:
- Shog9 -
Fat and soft, pink and weak / Foot and thigh, tongue and cheek You know I'm told they swallow you whole / Skin and bone. - Queens Of The Stone Age, Mosquito Song
Shog9 wrote: ...faster at typing in function definitions manually anyway, so don't give a sh*t... Holy crap you old rear guard type chaps still type? WOW! As a VB user I naturally drag and drop words from my Dictionary Toolbar into the editor. It allows for RPD (Rapid Post Development.) Way better than actually typing. ;)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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.S.Rod. wrote: So you manage bug or dev activity file grouping over time with a separate .txt file ? No, with a simple Public Folder with task items on our Exchange Server. Simplicity rules!
It's not the fall that kills you: it's the sudden stop - Down by Law, Jim Jamursch (1986)
Alright, that's simple collaboration put into practice, but the task items can easily be unrelated to the actual checkins/checkouts, hence the trouble. That said, it is probably not a concern in small teams. But for 150+ teams, ... aie! aie! aie!
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Shog9 wrote: ...faster at typing in function definitions manually anyway, so don't give a sh*t... Holy crap you old rear guard type chaps still type? WOW! As a VB user I naturally drag and drop words from my Dictionary Toolbar into the editor. It allows for RPD (Rapid Post Development.) Way better than actually typing. ;)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
D&D rox. Too bad MS has made it such a worthless PITA for so many years. The sidebars in InterDev (and now VS.NET) were long overdue...
- Shog9 -
Fat and soft, pink and weak / Foot and thigh, tongue and cheek You know I'm told they swallow you whole / Skin and bone. - Queens Of The Stone Age, Mosquito Song
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Alright, that's simple collaboration put into practice, but the task items can easily be unrelated to the actual checkins/checkouts, hence the trouble. That said, it is probably not a concern in small teams. But for 150+ teams, ... aie! aie! aie!
.S.Rod. wrote: Alright, that's simple collaboration put into practice, but the task items can easily be unrelated to the actual checkins/checkouts, hence the trouble. We use the commitinfo script (CVS has some script on the CVSROOT dir that act as "events" or "delegates", and commitinfo is a pre-commit event to validate a commit) to check if the proper Task ID (communication with Exchange is made via simple HTTP) was set on the commit comments, the Task on the Exchange is updated. Again, a simple script solved this problem for us.
It's not the fall that kills you: it's the sudden stop - Down by Law, Jim Jamursch (1986)
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l a u r e n wrote: thats why i went back to vs6 Obviously there is a very clear distinction forming here. Roxor haxor programmers wot C++ use are sticking with VS6 and can't stand VS.NET. Leet newbie wannabie roxor haxor programmers wot any .NET Framework bits use are flocking to VS.NET, loving it to bits and announcing the death of VS6. So really the distinction is; If you are using the .NET Framework then use VS.NET. Otherwise stick with VS6. I use the .NET Framework. * And all the exceptions to the rule can pipe down; have a fag, calm down and enjoy your pseudo-Friday
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
Paul Watson wrote: have a fag I'll have you know that I'm straight. :suss:
Regards,Rohit Sinha
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Uhm. I'm not using the .NET Framework, but I do C++ programming with VS.NET. Am I the official C++ bastard? :) -- Nicotine free: day 3
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I'm not using the .NET Framework, but I do C++ programming with VS.NET Same here ;) I guess we are the "newbie wannabie roxor haxor programmers" - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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l a u r e n wrote: thats why i went back to vs6 Obviously there is a very clear distinction forming here. Roxor haxor programmers wot C++ use are sticking with VS6 and can't stand VS.NET. Leet newbie wannabie roxor haxor programmers wot any .NET Framework bits use are flocking to VS.NET, loving it to bits and announcing the death of VS6. So really the distinction is; If you are using the .NET Framework then use VS.NET. Otherwise stick with VS6. I use the .NET Framework. * And all the exceptions to the rule can pipe down; have a fag, calm down and enjoy your pseudo-Friday
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
Paul Watson wrote: Roxor haxor programmers wot C++ use are sticking with VS6 and can't stand VS.NET. LOL :laugh: Or should it be: Stupid coders who whish it still was the dark middleage stick with VC6, and hates VC7... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"