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What's your definition of a "senior" developer?

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  • L Lost User

    I think my definition of a senior dev is vastly different than others. I am not so sure that a 10 year member working as a senior developer would be asking us to do his homework assignments for him.... So, what would your definition of a senior developer be?

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    KarstenK
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    a 40+ developer who knows how to get rid off all bugs and fergot to get team leader or manager :~

    Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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    • M Mark_Wallace

      A senior developer is one who, when he needs to search the web, automatically starts to type altavista.com

      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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      Nagy Vilmos
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      Search the web? We know how to read a manual. Heck in most cases we wrote the bally thing!

      veni bibi saltavi

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      • L Lost User

        I think my definition of a senior dev is vastly different than others. I am not so sure that a 10 year member working as a senior developer would be asking us to do his homework assignments for him.... So, what would your definition of a senior developer be?

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        Joe Woodbury
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        At the very least, a minimum of seven [paid] years in a single discipline.

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        • D David Crow

          I started with that search engine! :doh:

          "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

          "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

          "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

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          ZurdoDev
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          Pretty sure that was his point. ;)

          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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          • L Lost User

            I think my definition of a senior dev is vastly different than others. I am not so sure that a 10 year member working as a senior developer would be asking us to do his homework assignments for him.... So, what would your definition of a senior developer be?

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            MacSpudster
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            One that seyz: "I've seen ur code, and it stinks."

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            • L Lost User

              I think my definition of a senior dev is vastly different than others. I am not so sure that a 10 year member working as a senior developer would be asking us to do his homework assignments for him.... So, what would your definition of a senior developer be?

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              Stephen Gonzalez
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              If you don't see him(her) in diaper, then he(she) is a senior.

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              • N Nagy Vilmos

                Search the web? We know how to read a manual. Heck in most cases we wrote the bally thing!

                veni bibi saltavi

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                Mark_Wallace
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                :thumbsup:

                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                • J Jeremy Falcon

                  And we watched Ninja Turtles.

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                  Mark_Wallace
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                  Watched? The kiddies watched. We'd read the comics. We sneered at the kiddies who watched.

                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                  • J Jeremy Falcon

                    webcrawler!! Don't forget the cool logo for webcrawler!

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                    Mark_Wallace
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                    But they couldn't get it down to 32x32, so they were doomed.

                    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                    • M Mark_Wallace

                      But they couldn't get it down to 32x32, so they were doomed.

                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      Jeremy Falcon
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                      :-D

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                      • M Mark_Wallace

                        Watched? The kiddies watched. We'd read the comics. We sneered at the kiddies who watched.

                        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                        Jeremy Falcon
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                        Didn't have time to read... I had video games to play.

                        Jeremy Falcon

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                        • L Lost User

                          I think my definition of a senior dev is vastly different than others. I am not so sure that a 10 year member working as a senior developer would be asking us to do his homework assignments for him.... So, what would your definition of a senior developer be?

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                          kmoorevs
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                          I think it's relative to the number of years one has been practicing the craft, typically at least 7 years imho. It implies that one has enough knowledge to solve problems at most levels without handholding which apparently is not always true. :laugh:

                          "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                          • P PeejayAdams

                            I thought at first that this was going to be about someone else you had a bit of a homework rant at (guy with the chess problem). Now, I'd be seriously worried if the guy who posted that called himself a senior dev and was somewhat relieved to see that he doesn't but I'm intrigued as to what question inspired this post ... I guess it would be unethical of you to tell us, though. Or would it?

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                            Lost User
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                            PeejayAdams wrote:

                            it would be unethical

                            I wouldn't say it would be unethical, just immaterial. Just seeing a rash of accounts that have been open for anywhere from 4 to 15 years and proclaim themselves to be senior developers at their company and yet can't perform the simplest of tasks, like assigning values to variables or debugging their code to fix an NRE or can't fix a simple missing reference error. One person I am thinking of has very proudly proclaimed that he won't do his own basic research and runs to the forums here all the time to get people to do his research for him. One help vampire got so many people to write his code for him, he was able to get some sort of position teaching others! And, people here still write code for him.

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                            • C Clifford Nelson

                              Sorry, we are getting age creep and now someone must be at least 67.

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                              Mike Hankey
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                              What a coincidence I am 67.

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                              • K kmoorevs

                                I think it's relative to the number of years one has been practicing the craft, typically at least 7 years imho. It implies that one has enough knowledge to solve problems at most levels without handholding which apparently is not always true. :laugh:

                                "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                                Lost User
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                                kmoorevs wrote:

                                is not always true

                                Unfortunately, there is so much hand holding going on it almost looks like one of the old "I'd like to teach the world to sing" Coke commercials. I find it somewhat ironic that people lose their jobs to outsourcing only to end up teaching the people that got the outsourced jobs how to perform the jobs they lost.... for free.

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                                • J jgakenhe

                                  When their cubicle looks like a kitchen pantry.

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                                  Mycroft Holmes
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                                  Bloody hell YOU have a cubicle!

                                  Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                  • M Mycroft Holmes

                                    Bloody hell YOU have a cubicle!

                                    Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                    jgakenhe
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                                    Yes, we have cubes. The Agile experiment didn't work out in our org culture; so the cubes were brought back. Actually, I have a small office, but the "senior developers" that I have worked with tend to have 6 months of food and drink in their cubicles just to let everyone know they aren't planning on retiring anytime soon.

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                                    • L Lost User

                                      I think my definition of a senior dev is vastly different than others. I am not so sure that a 10 year member working as a senior developer would be asking us to do his homework assignments for him.... So, what would your definition of a senior developer be?

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                                      virang_21
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                                      As a senior developer you know when to use what and you know why something should be used. Domain knowledge helps but even if you don't have specific domain knowledge that you can acquire over the course of time. As a senior developer you know that you don't know everything and there are people better than you. You learn from your mistakes and you try to improve yourself. Keep on learning and improving your skill is very important in this industry. I have seen people with 15 years experience but you feel that they have done the same thing in all those 15 years. As technology progress new becomes old and old becomes legacy that no one should touch but as a senior developer you still poke around those legacy code. I have done few development work were all they had was a legacy code ( systems that are written in Basic and FoxPro ) and no documentation and my task was to uplift it in new technology looking at the code. You should not be afraid to understand how old technology works even though you will never write something in it. And I am still an Analyst Programmer. Should I consider myself senor developer ?

                                      Zen and the art of software maintenance : rm -rf * Maths is like love : a simple idea but it can get complicated.

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                                      • L Lost User

                                        I think my definition of a senior dev is vastly different than others. I am not so sure that a 10 year member working as a senior developer would be asking us to do his homework assignments for him.... So, what would your definition of a senior developer be?

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                                        Paulo_JCG
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                                        A Developer that uses a cane? One that can take is teeth off?

                                        Paulo Gomes Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight. —Bill Gates

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                                        • L Lost User

                                          I think my definition of a senior dev is vastly different than others. I am not so sure that a 10 year member working as a senior developer would be asking us to do his homework assignments for him.... So, what would your definition of a senior developer be?

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                                          PauloJuanShirt
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                                          One that takes the blame for the team.

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