What's your definition of a "senior" developer?
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PeejayAdams wrote:
it would be unethical
I wouldn't say it would be unethical, just immaterial. Just seeing a rash of accounts that have been open for anywhere from 4 to 15 years and proclaim themselves to be senior developers at their company and yet can't perform the simplest of tasks, like assigning values to variables or debugging their code to fix an NRE or can't fix a simple missing reference error. One person I am thinking of has very proudly proclaimed that he won't do his own basic research and runs to the forums here all the time to get people to do his research for him. One help vampire got so many people to write his code for him, he was able to get some sort of position teaching others! And, people here still write code for him.
NotPolitcallyCorrect wrote:
One help vampire got so many people to write his code for him, he was able to get some sort of position teaching others!
That is truly terrifying. Furthermore, it raises a question of how non-technical organisations go about recruiting IT staff when they have no-one to assess candidates from a position of knowledge. I've certainly come across a few technical illiterates who have wound up with far grander positions than senior developer on the basis of their ability to BS a boardroom. They tend to get their next job on the back of their inflated salary and job title and do rather better in life than those who actually know what they're doing. To my mind, it's dishonest and dishonourable to live that way but to lie your way into a teaching position takes it a whole step further. How does the guy sleep at night?
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NotPolitcallyCorrect wrote:
One help vampire got so many people to write his code for him, he was able to get some sort of position teaching others!
That is truly terrifying. Furthermore, it raises a question of how non-technical organisations go about recruiting IT staff when they have no-one to assess candidates from a position of knowledge. I've certainly come across a few technical illiterates who have wound up with far grander positions than senior developer on the basis of their ability to BS a boardroom. They tend to get their next job on the back of their inflated salary and job title and do rather better in life than those who actually know what they're doing. To my mind, it's dishonest and dishonourable to live that way but to lie your way into a teaching position takes it a whole step further. How does the guy sleep at night?
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Sorry, we are getting age creep and now someone must be at least 67.
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Yes, we have cubes. The Agile experiment didn't work out in our org culture; so the cubes were brought back. Actually, I have a small office, but the "senior developers" that I have worked with tend to have 6 months of food and drink in their cubicles just to let everyone know they aren't planning on retiring anytime soon.
LOL!! I detest Agile and started refusing Agile dev shops, saying "I'm not a team player" (apparently this is worse than not knowing how to code ... :omg: ) And even though the company who contracts me gives us lunch, I still have loads of snacks lying around. I'm not a senior developer, though, I'm more of a senior moment developer :-\
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If you forgot why you came into work today, then you are a senior developer.
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Piyush K Singh
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He has most likely persuaded himself that he is a brilliant teacher. :-\ The levels of self-delusuion in software development is staggering... :confused:
Yes, you're probably right about self-delusion and I may be being a bit cynical in thinking that these people are actually aware that they're clueless. Thinking about the dozens of developers that I've worked with over the years, the cr@p ones have all had one thing in common - you can't tell them anything because they already know everything (even if they can't actually code their way out of a wet paper bag). Conversely, all the good and great developers I've worked with have been completely open to ideas; don't get defensive when criticised and are more than happy to share their knowledge.
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I think my definition of a senior dev is vastly different than others. I am not so sure that a 10 year member working as a senior developer would be asking us to do his homework assignments for him.... So, what would your definition of a senior developer be?
How 'bout one that's almost 60 and has been doing this for 40 years? ;-)
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I think my definition of a senior dev is vastly different than others. I am not so sure that a 10 year member working as a senior developer would be asking us to do his homework assignments for him.... So, what would your definition of a senior developer be?
How about one that's almost 60 and has been doing this for 40 years? ;-)
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LOL!! I detest Agile and started refusing Agile dev shops, saying "I'm not a team player" (apparently this is worse than not knowing how to code ... :omg: ) And even though the company who contracts me gives us lunch, I still have loads of snacks lying around. I'm not a senior developer, though, I'm more of a senior moment developer :-\
So a senior developer has a posh cubicle and keys for the executive loo.
We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
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If one knows how to properly use google, then you can be classified as senior. :rolleyes:
But then 'Who' defines what is proper use of Google?
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Sorry, we are getting age creep and now someone must be at least 67.
No, it's still 65, just base 16 :-)
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I think my definition of a senior dev is vastly different than others. I am not so sure that a 10 year member working as a senior developer would be asking us to do his homework assignments for him.... So, what would your definition of a senior developer be?
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I think my definition of a senior dev is vastly different than others. I am not so sure that a 10 year member working as a senior developer would be asking us to do his homework assignments for him.... So, what would your definition of a senior developer be?
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I think my definition of a senior dev is vastly different than others. I am not so sure that a 10 year member working as a senior developer would be asking us to do his homework assignments for him.... So, what would your definition of a senior developer be?
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I think my definition of a senior dev is vastly different than others. I am not so sure that a 10 year member working as a senior developer would be asking us to do his homework assignments for him.... So, what would your definition of a senior developer be?
A senior developer is a developer valued by her peers. Everyone who goes to her consistently receives quality help, advice, and guidance.
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If one knows how to properly use google, then you can be classified as senior. :rolleyes:
I agree! And asking the right questions.. ;P
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I think my definition of a senior dev is vastly different than others. I am not so sure that a 10 year member working as a senior developer would be asking us to do his homework assignments for him.... So, what would your definition of a senior developer be?
If the person has heard of an AS400, experienced the year 2000 problem, and knows who Gilligan is, then they are a Sr. Developer. ;-) (Oh yes, and they use ASCII faces instead of emoticons)
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But then 'Who' defines what is proper use of Google?
KC@CahabaGBA wrote:
But then 'Who' defines what is proper use of Google?
Chuck Norris
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I started with that search engine! :doh:
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Me too. Sorry, shouldn't that be "AOL" :-)
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PeejayAdams wrote:
it would be unethical
I wouldn't say it would be unethical, just immaterial. Just seeing a rash of accounts that have been open for anywhere from 4 to 15 years and proclaim themselves to be senior developers at their company and yet can't perform the simplest of tasks, like assigning values to variables or debugging their code to fix an NRE or can't fix a simple missing reference error. One person I am thinking of has very proudly proclaimed that he won't do his own basic research and runs to the forums here all the time to get people to do his research for him. One help vampire got so many people to write his code for him, he was able to get some sort of position teaching others! And, people here still write code for him.
"people here still write code for him." I think that's unethical. Teach, don't proxy.