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  • Z ZurdoDev

    W∴ Balboos wrote:

    there were hose who seemed hell-bent on defending it.

    Don't exaggerate. There are many, many of us who have had 0 problems with win10 on many different devices. That's all I saw people say.

    There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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    W Balboos GHB
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    RyanDev wrote:

    There are many, many of us

    talk about exaggeration! But seriously, if it were 'only' a few percent of the people who's system's are trashed by this it really really bad. Just imagine if your PC's CPU was 99.999% accurate. It would be all but unusable. Forcing upgrades and updates, and even with XP I've had a few cause problems, isn't right. At least, given the choice, one could refuse a particular "upgrade". Consider the number of actual regulars in the lounge and how many have had their system unpleasantly modified or even trashed by Win10: it's starting to be a Leslie in its own right.

    Ravings en masse^

    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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      RyanDev wrote:

      There are many, many of us

      talk about exaggeration! But seriously, if it were 'only' a few percent of the people who's system's are trashed by this it really really bad. Just imagine if your PC's CPU was 99.999% accurate. It would be all but unusable. Forcing upgrades and updates, and even with XP I've had a few cause problems, isn't right. At least, given the choice, one could refuse a particular "upgrade". Consider the number of actual regulars in the lounge and how many have had their system unpleasantly modified or even trashed by Win10: it's starting to be a Leslie in its own right.

      Ravings en masse^

      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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      ZurdoDev
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      W∴ Balboos wrote:

      Forcing upgrades and updates, ... isn't right.

      Why?

      There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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      • Z ZurdoDev

        W∴ Balboos wrote:

        Forcing upgrades and updates, ... isn't right.

        Why?

        There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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        W Balboos GHB
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        Because it's my computer. I bought it. It's mine to do with as I wish. If Microslut (or anyone else) wishes to make use of it then they can pay for the privilege. For those who like that model, they've products like Office365 - where you use whatever they have to offer on the web and they can change it at will - and for those who don't - they buy the software outright. They do make you buy Win10, don't they? [TOS doesn't cut it]. Leading back to my statement in a different thread: My upgrade from Win7 will be Linux.

        Ravings en masse^

        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

        "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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        • W W Balboos GHB

          Because it's my computer. I bought it. It's mine to do with as I wish. If Microslut (or anyone else) wishes to make use of it then they can pay for the privilege. For those who like that model, they've products like Office365 - where you use whatever they have to offer on the web and they can change it at will - and for those who don't - they buy the software outright. They do make you buy Win10, don't they? [TOS doesn't cut it]. Leading back to my statement in a different thread: My upgrade from Win7 will be Linux.

          Ravings en masse^

          "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

          "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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          ZurdoDev
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          W∴ Balboos wrote:

          Because it's my computer. I bought it. It's mine to do with as I wish.

          And you chose to install a Microsoft operating system and chose to agree to their terms. It is your computer, so if you don't like it then install something else. That is your right. It is also their right to update their software whenever they want to. In fact, they have to or else they face serious legal consequences for not keeping a product secure.

          W∴ Balboos wrote:

          My upgrade from Win7 will be Linux.

          Ya, I tried that. Good luck. Linux sucks. Hopefully it works for you.

          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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          • M Munchies_Matt

            Its spyware, period. I would never use it.

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            Chris Maunder
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            You need to do better than that. At the very least explain how Windows differs from macOS or anything Google has released in terms of tracking what you do.

            cheers Chris Maunder

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            • C Chris Maunder

              You need to do better than that. At the very least explain how Windows differs from macOS or anything Google has released in terms of tracking what you do.

              cheers Chris Maunder

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              Nish Nishant
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              I guess what he meant is he won't use any OS at all :-) Not sure how he managed to post on this forum though.

              Regards, Nish


              Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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              • W W Balboos GHB

                Because it's my computer. I bought it. It's mine to do with as I wish. If Microslut (or anyone else) wishes to make use of it then they can pay for the privilege. For those who like that model, they've products like Office365 - where you use whatever they have to offer on the web and they can change it at will - and for those who don't - they buy the software outright. They do make you buy Win10, don't they? [TOS doesn't cut it]. Leading back to my statement in a different thread: My upgrade from Win7 will be Linux.

                Ravings en masse^

                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                Nelek
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                Andriod does the same. My wife got a new samsung, the day before yesterday the nano card arrived, so I activated the cell phone and started configuring it... 1 hour later I had gone through 90% of the settings and guess what... Popup notification Andriod is Updating... :omg: :omg: :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: I let it go, went to bed and yesterday continue with it... almost all settings I had changed on tuesday where back to default value, most of them allowing access to micro, pictures and so on to the Google Apps, activating settings that I had inactivated... I found it not so different to what you describe about microsoft

                M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                  Windows 10 software condemned by Which? - BBC News[^] Sorry if it's a repost.

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                  Mike Hankey
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                  Sounds like a Which hunt.

                  New version: WinHeist Version 2.2.2 Beta
                  I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!

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                  • W W Balboos GHB

                    Because it's my computer. I bought it. It's mine to do with as I wish. If Microslut (or anyone else) wishes to make use of it then they can pay for the privilege. For those who like that model, they've products like Office365 - where you use whatever they have to offer on the web and they can change it at will - and for those who don't - they buy the software outright. They do make you buy Win10, don't they? [TOS doesn't cut it]. Leading back to my statement in a different thread: My upgrade from Win7 will be Linux.

                    Ravings en masse^

                    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                    Mark_Wallace
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                    Try to avoid responding to troll tactics.

                    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                    • N Nelek

                      Andriod does the same. My wife got a new samsung, the day before yesterday the nano card arrived, so I activated the cell phone and started configuring it... 1 hour later I had gone through 90% of the settings and guess what... Popup notification Andriod is Updating... :omg: :omg: :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: I let it go, went to bed and yesterday continue with it... almost all settings I had changed on tuesday where back to default value, most of them allowing access to micro, pictures and so on to the Google Apps, activating settings that I had inactivated... I found it not so different to what you describe about microsoft

                      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                      Mark_Wallace
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                      Nelek wrote:

                      I found it not so different to what you describe about microsoft

                      ... Except that you can switch it off and only get notifications about updates*, which you can then choose to install or not. * Open the Google Play app, go to Account > Settings, and it's the first setting in the list.

                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                        Sounds like a Which hunt.

                        New version: WinHeist Version 2.2.2 Beta
                        I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!

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                        Mark_Wallace
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                        Only the crowd isn't shouting the word "duck".

                        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                        • N Nelek

                          Andriod does the same. My wife got a new samsung, the day before yesterday the nano card arrived, so I activated the cell phone and started configuring it... 1 hour later I had gone through 90% of the settings and guess what... Popup notification Andriod is Updating... :omg: :omg: :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: I let it go, went to bed and yesterday continue with it... almost all settings I had changed on tuesday where back to default value, most of them allowing access to micro, pictures and so on to the Google Apps, activating settings that I had inactivated... I found it not so different to what you describe about microsoft

                          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                          realJSOP
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                          When you buy an android or apple mobile device, you have no choice in what OS you use. On your PC/laptop, you do. Even Apple desktops/laptops can have Windows or Linux installed as opposed to the native Apple OS. I've never had anything but an android phone (current phones is a Samsung Galaxy 5s), and none of the ones I've owned have ever once auto-updated anything. Ever. My problem with Win10 is that it carries the "app store" paradigm over to the PC, and forces updates on you. I don't want that. If I did, I'd have an Apple where it's pretty much always been that way.

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                          • Z ZurdoDev

                            W∴ Balboos wrote:

                            Because it's my computer. I bought it. It's mine to do with as I wish.

                            And you chose to install a Microsoft operating system and chose to agree to their terms. It is your computer, so if you don't like it then install something else. That is your right. It is also their right to update their software whenever they want to. In fact, they have to or else they face serious legal consequences for not keeping a product secure.

                            W∴ Balboos wrote:

                            My upgrade from Win7 will be Linux.

                            Ya, I tried that. Good luck. Linux sucks. Hopefully it works for you.

                            There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                            Mark_Wallace
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                            Go collect your wu mao.

                            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                            • W W Balboos GHB

                              Because it's my computer. I bought it. It's mine to do with as I wish. If Microslut (or anyone else) wishes to make use of it then they can pay for the privilege. For those who like that model, they've products like Office365 - where you use whatever they have to offer on the web and they can change it at will - and for those who don't - they buy the software outright. They do make you buy Win10, don't they? [TOS doesn't cut it]. Leading back to my statement in a different thread: My upgrade from Win7 will be Linux.

                              Ravings en masse^

                              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                              Corporal Agarn
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                              W∴ Balboos wrote:

                              For those who like that model, they've products like Office365

                              I am glad I do not use this as when Windows is updating it takes all my very limited band width. Hey, 0.7 M download is smokin fast where I am. :mad:

                              Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.

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                              • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                                Sounds like a Which hunt.

                                New version: WinHeist Version 2.2.2 Beta
                                I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!

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                                Vark111
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                                I like which hunts. Maybe we'll see some wherewolves involved as well?

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                                • M Mark_Wallace

                                  Nelek wrote:

                                  I found it not so different to what you describe about microsoft

                                  ... Except that you can switch it off and only get notifications about updates*, which you can then choose to install or not. * Open the Google Play app, go to Account > Settings, and it's the first setting in the list.

                                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                  Nelek
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                                  Mark_Wallace wrote:

                                  * Open the Google Play app, go to Account > Settings, and it's the first setting in the list.

                                  I thought all settings could be managed locally on the phone. I have no Android so no google account experience. Thank you for the hint

                                  M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                  • C Chris Maunder

                                    You need to do better than that. At the very least explain how Windows differs from macOS or anything Google has released in terms of tracking what you do.

                                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                                    Munchies_Matt
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                                    Ask it this way, since MSFT arent asking money for Windows 10, how is it making money for them? --edit-- Oh, and I wouldnt buy a mac either, I am just not that image conscious. Didnt you guess that when we met? :)

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                                    • N Nish Nishant

                                      I guess what he meant is he won't use any OS at all :-) Not sure how he managed to post on this forum though.

                                      Regards, Nish


                                      Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                                      Munchies_Matt
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                                      Stop sucking up to Chris. ;P I use XP, 2K and Ubuntu by the way.

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                                        Ask it this way, since MSFT arent asking money for Windows 10, how is it making money for them? --edit-- Oh, and I wouldnt buy a mac either, I am just not that image conscious. Didnt you guess that when we met? :)

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                                        Chris Maunder
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                                        Firstly, you're a very stylish man and you know it. A macbook draped around your shoulders would truly set off the Swarovski miniture apple watch earings you were showing off. Secondly, ... here's an article about where MS makes its money[^]. What's fascinating to me is that ad revenue (from Bing) isn't mentioned.

                                        cheers Chris Maunder

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                                        • N Nish Nishant

                                          I guess what he meant is he won't use any OS at all :-) Not sure how he managed to post on this forum though.

                                          Regards, Nish


                                          Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                                          Chris Maunder
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                                          He's an embedded guy - he probably hacked the front door keypad and spent several hours tapping wires together to create a binary representation of his post that was then translated and transmitted along some dodgy 9600 baud service line. If I change one of this page's element IDs it'll totally screw him up. Listen carefully as I make the change and you will hear the howl of rage.

                                          cheers Chris Maunder

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