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  • H Herbie Mountjoy

    Windows 10 updates are driving me insane. Previously I had several hours wasted, once in front of a potential client, while I waited for updates to complete. Today Microsoft excelled themselves (oh dear, unintentional pun). While my PC was in the middle of building a very large database the computer shut down and started doing an update. Result, half an hour later I logged back in to find a totally corrupted database. Worse than that, it had also corrupted the system database and now I have to rebuild everything. Yes I did get a notification to tell me a restart was scheduled. But it did say it would happen in the wee small hours when the PC would not be in use. I suppose 1800 hours in Malaysia equates to 0300 in California. Why don't they use PC time for the restarts I wonder? Bah!!! Now where did I out that Linux disc?

    We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.

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    I have a message this morning that it wants to update... I need to get this thought out before it starts... I think we shou

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    • H Herbie Mountjoy

      Windows 10 updates are driving me insane. Previously I had several hours wasted, once in front of a potential client, while I waited for updates to complete. Today Microsoft excelled themselves (oh dear, unintentional pun). While my PC was in the middle of building a very large database the computer shut down and started doing an update. Result, half an hour later I logged back in to find a totally corrupted database. Worse than that, it had also corrupted the system database and now I have to rebuild everything. Yes I did get a notification to tell me a restart was scheduled. But it did say it would happen in the wee small hours when the PC would not be in use. I suppose 1800 hours in Malaysia equates to 0300 in California. Why don't they use PC time for the restarts I wonder? Bah!!! Now where did I out that Linux disc?

      We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.

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      buckrogerz 0
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      Have you not learned anything yet Joshua! The only winning move is not to play

      Buckrogerz

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      • H Herbie Mountjoy

        Windows 10 updates are driving me insane. Previously I had several hours wasted, once in front of a potential client, while I waited for updates to complete. Today Microsoft excelled themselves (oh dear, unintentional pun). While my PC was in the middle of building a very large database the computer shut down and started doing an update. Result, half an hour later I logged back in to find a totally corrupted database. Worse than that, it had also corrupted the system database and now I have to rebuild everything. Yes I did get a notification to tell me a restart was scheduled. But it did say it would happen in the wee small hours when the PC would not be in use. I suppose 1800 hours in Malaysia equates to 0300 in California. Why don't they use PC time for the restarts I wonder? Bah!!! Now where did I out that Linux disc?

        We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.

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        DBI Technologies Inc
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        How about a Class Action Law Suite. MSFT have abridged their own license agreement (Active Hours) and for a small company, the Windows 10 Anniversary update has cost us about $20K in lost man hours over the last two weeks.

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        • M Mark Starr

          According to that article: "Windows still won’t restart your computer while you’re actively using it, even outside of active hours ". If that is true, then what is the measure of active? Keyboard/mouse activity or processor or disk IO.

          Mark Just another cog in the wheel

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          Nathan Minier
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          Anything I'd say would be assumptive: really my take away was the capability to set maintenance windows.

          "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli

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          • H Herbie Mountjoy

            Windows 10 updates are driving me insane. Previously I had several hours wasted, once in front of a potential client, while I waited for updates to complete. Today Microsoft excelled themselves (oh dear, unintentional pun). While my PC was in the middle of building a very large database the computer shut down and started doing an update. Result, half an hour later I logged back in to find a totally corrupted database. Worse than that, it had also corrupted the system database and now I have to rebuild everything. Yes I did get a notification to tell me a restart was scheduled. But it did say it would happen in the wee small hours when the PC would not be in use. I suppose 1800 hours in Malaysia equates to 0300 in California. Why don't they use PC time for the restarts I wonder? Bah!!! Now where did I out that Linux disc?

            We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.

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            johannesnestler
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            Come on - as a professional computer user you should find the option yourself where you can turn off automatic restarts on such production/work systems. The thing you can blame Microsoft for is the default option - wich is suitable for most home users... I find it a little confusing that you allready knew that the computer would restart...

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            • V V 0

              Since Windows 10. Worst feature in years without the possibility to switch this off...

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              (MQOTD rules and previous solutions)

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              johannesnestler
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              you can Switch it off - update Settings/new start Options (anniversery update) update Setting/advanced Options, - turn off automatic restart. Default on all my systems.... As it allways was with Windows upates since Windows XP if I remember correctly...

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              • A Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan

                No, that is not how it happens anymore. 10 days ago, it happened to me too, my laptop restarted on itself without asking me anything about it. If this is the case, that you were in the middle of an important work, then personally I would suggest updating the work hours and set it to the timing where your work is about to be done. Windows won't restart during that time.

                The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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                johannesnestler
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                just turn off automatic restart and you are fine...

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                • H Herbie Mountjoy

                  Windows 10 updates are driving me insane. Previously I had several hours wasted, once in front of a potential client, while I waited for updates to complete. Today Microsoft excelled themselves (oh dear, unintentional pun). While my PC was in the middle of building a very large database the computer shut down and started doing an update. Result, half an hour later I logged back in to find a totally corrupted database. Worse than that, it had also corrupted the system database and now I have to rebuild everything. Yes I did get a notification to tell me a restart was scheduled. But it did say it would happen in the wee small hours when the PC would not be in use. I suppose 1800 hours in Malaysia equates to 0300 in California. Why don't they use PC time for the restarts I wonder? Bah!!! Now where did I out that Linux disc?

                  We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.

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                  pmauriks
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                  I hate that even when Microsoft has done this to you - the patches sometimes break your machine worse. . . and Microsoft have taken away your permissions to fix them. Recently I had issues where the computer would freeze for a quarter second, up to sometimes two seconds. Mainly when doing things in games or things with audio - where a horrible buzz would sound. The problem turned out to be DCOM not registered properly - related to a patch that had not installed properly. Even as Admin using regedit - I was denied permissions to update the permissions to fix it. Possibly I could have uninstalled the patch and re-installed it, but that was not looking promising. So in the end the failure of the patching process caused me to need to rebuild windows 10. If there was another alternative that ran the games I want to play - I'd probably go with it.

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                  • H Herbie Mountjoy

                    Windows 10 updates are driving me insane. Previously I had several hours wasted, once in front of a potential client, while I waited for updates to complete. Today Microsoft excelled themselves (oh dear, unintentional pun). While my PC was in the middle of building a very large database the computer shut down and started doing an update. Result, half an hour later I logged back in to find a totally corrupted database. Worse than that, it had also corrupted the system database and now I have to rebuild everything. Yes I did get a notification to tell me a restart was scheduled. But it did say it would happen in the wee small hours when the PC would not be in use. I suppose 1800 hours in Malaysia equates to 0300 in California. Why don't they use PC time for the restarts I wonder? Bah!!! Now where did I out that Linux disc?

                    We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.

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                    Kirill Illenseer
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                    Configuration is key. By default, Windows schedules installing updates during off-hours. By default, those off-hours are set to when nobody usually works. Everything I just mentioned is configurable. Configure it!

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                    • J johannesnestler

                      you can Switch it off - update Settings/new start Options (anniversery update) update Setting/advanced Options, - turn off automatic restart. Default on all my systems.... As it allways was with Windows upates since Windows XP if I remember correctly...

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                      Nope, unfortunately nothing of that sort.

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                      (MQOTD rules and previous solutions)

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                      • H Herbie Mountjoy

                        Windows 10 updates are driving me insane. Previously I had several hours wasted, once in front of a potential client, while I waited for updates to complete. Today Microsoft excelled themselves (oh dear, unintentional pun). While my PC was in the middle of building a very large database the computer shut down and started doing an update. Result, half an hour later I logged back in to find a totally corrupted database. Worse than that, it had also corrupted the system database and now I have to rebuild everything. Yes I did get a notification to tell me a restart was scheduled. But it did say it would happen in the wee small hours when the PC would not be in use. I suppose 1800 hours in Malaysia equates to 0300 in California. Why don't they use PC time for the restarts I wonder? Bah!!! Now where did I out that Linux disc?

                        We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.

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                        Daniel Wilianto
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                        You can find old settings in Group Policy Editor. Set it to something like this: download updates automatically but let me choose when to install them.

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                        • H Herbie Mountjoy

                          Windows 10 updates are driving me insane. Previously I had several hours wasted, once in front of a potential client, while I waited for updates to complete. Today Microsoft excelled themselves (oh dear, unintentional pun). While my PC was in the middle of building a very large database the computer shut down and started doing an update. Result, half an hour later I logged back in to find a totally corrupted database. Worse than that, it had also corrupted the system database and now I have to rebuild everything. Yes I did get a notification to tell me a restart was scheduled. But it did say it would happen in the wee small hours when the PC would not be in use. I suppose 1800 hours in Malaysia equates to 0300 in California. Why don't they use PC time for the restarts I wonder? Bah!!! Now where did I out that Linux disc?

                          We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.

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                          ClockMeister
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                          Sure am glad I locked that Trojan out of my network. I keep one copy confined to a VM for testing. I think I'll stick with 7 for the duration, myself.

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                          • A Alister Morton

                            I may have to do that on one of our machines at our theatre. It's running the sound and video cueing system, and even if an update was applied when there wasn't a performance taking place, it would be a serious problem if the update stopped the machine working, or uninstalled a driver, which is not unheard of. I'd prefer to be able to say that the machine cannot apply updates at any time in a given range of dates (because of course we know the performance schedule up to a year in advance). Currently we turn off the network connection, but it gets turned back on to download sound files from effects sites and so on, and that can trigger an update, and if someone forgets to disable it after downloading something ...

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                            W Balboos GHB
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                            You probably thought of this, or there are requirements on the theater machines that may get in the way, but why not keep the theater machine off-line and get the necessary downloads on another box, then transfer the files? (Possibly clone system). It occurring in a uniform set of file locations, you could have this run automatically for you every day at some safe time. A couple hundred bucks for a bare-bones set up to do this could save some future disaster and pay for itself in one use. Or maybe one of those <$100 refubs.

                            Ravings en masse^

                            "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                            "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                              You probably thought of this, or there are requirements on the theater machines that may get in the way, but why not keep the theater machine off-line and get the necessary downloads on another box, then transfer the files? (Possibly clone system). It occurring in a uniform set of file locations, you could have this run automatically for you every day at some safe time. A couple hundred bucks for a bare-bones set up to do this could save some future disaster and pay for itself in one use. Or maybe one of those <$100 refubs.

                              Ravings en masse^

                              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                              Alister Morton
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                              Yes, longer term that's what I'll be suggesting - that the sound cue machine by default has no route to the internet. We do need to have network access to the machine, though, so turning off the network connection is inconvenient, especially for tech rehearsals, and I'm going to be suggesting that we need a more "long trousered" network management suite, so that we can do as you say, grab files on one machine and transfer them over the network, but not allow internet access. The joys of volunteer run theatre.

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                              • H Herbie Mountjoy

                                Windows 10 updates are driving me insane. Previously I had several hours wasted, once in front of a potential client, while I waited for updates to complete. Today Microsoft excelled themselves (oh dear, unintentional pun). While my PC was in the middle of building a very large database the computer shut down and started doing an update. Result, half an hour later I logged back in to find a totally corrupted database. Worse than that, it had also corrupted the system database and now I have to rebuild everything. Yes I did get a notification to tell me a restart was scheduled. But it did say it would happen in the wee small hours when the PC would not be in use. I suppose 1800 hours in Malaysia equates to 0300 in California. Why don't they use PC time for the restarts I wonder? Bah!!! Now where did I out that Linux disc?

                                We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.

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                                firda cze
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                                I hate that too. I switch off my computer every day and that is the perfect time to make it update. Well, it need some more time in the morning, stupid, but it does not hurt that much as if it forces a restart late at night when I am still working at home - I have no standard work-time in this case, stupids from MS! Just wait 24 hours before forcing any update!!! ...and if I choose to update when switching off, do complete it by restarting and trully switching off when done! Ahh, sorry for being angry... worst things are often done with good intentions :rolleyes:

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