Have you ever come up with a programming idea so bizarre...
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOzIt might today given different toolsets and performance gains and the right execution.
Then again...maybe not. But it's fun playing with! Marc
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I played around with MS workflows for a while and came to the conclusion it was a pointless exercise. The workflow can be implemented more efficiently in a control function. On the other hand, it could be a useful tool for linking preconstructed functions.
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...that you have no idea whether the concept is viable, let alone how to implement the concept because it's probably never been done before? Like this[^]. (Sorry for the clicky to my blog, but it's the easiest way to show you all a screenshot.) Now, in some ways, I can't imagine this hasn't been tried (and probably abandoned) but I am definitely having fun exploring the marriage of not-really-flowcharting code diagramming with highly component-ized code. The diagramming concepts (creating small "functional" components graphically represented in some way) should be applicable to just about any other language as well. I can already see how this could be used with Javascript, Python, etc., and with some interesting "intelligence" to glue the code together into applications. I even have a simple static page web-server that runs "written" in this style. Marc
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As someone else mentioned, there is a language called scratch, developed at MIT, intended to teach kids programming. Also, there's a fantastic thing for kids called First Lego League. Kids program a robot, using a visual language called Mindstorms. Along the way, the kids are encouraged to learn about teamwork and to develop a set of core values, one of which is "Have Fun".
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...that you have no idea whether the concept is viable, let alone how to implement the concept because it's probably never been done before? Like this[^]. (Sorry for the clicky to my blog, but it's the easiest way to show you all a screenshot.) Now, in some ways, I can't imagine this hasn't been tried (and probably abandoned) but I am definitely having fun exploring the marriage of not-really-flowcharting code diagramming with highly component-ized code. The diagramming concepts (creating small "functional" components graphically represented in some way) should be applicable to just about any other language as well. I can already see how this could be used with Javascript, Python, etc., and with some interesting "intelligence" to glue the code together into applications. I even have a simple static page web-server that runs "written" in this style. Marc
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Yeah, I just go ahead and implement it. The difficult gets done immediately, the impossible just takes a tad longer. ;-)
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...that you have no idea whether the concept is viable, let alone how to implement the concept because it's probably never been done before? Like this[^]. (Sorry for the clicky to my blog, but it's the easiest way to show you all a screenshot.) Now, in some ways, I can't imagine this hasn't been tried (and probably abandoned) but I am definitely having fun exploring the marriage of not-really-flowcharting code diagramming with highly component-ized code. The diagramming concepts (creating small "functional" components graphically represented in some way) should be applicable to just about any other language as well. I can already see how this could be used with Javascript, Python, etc., and with some interesting "intelligence" to glue the code together into applications. I even have a simple static page web-server that runs "written" in this style. Marc
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Are you describing something similar to LabView? A kind of flow chart programming system that has been around a long time.
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...that you have no idea whether the concept is viable, let alone how to implement the concept because it's probably never been done before? Like this[^]. (Sorry for the clicky to my blog, but it's the easiest way to show you all a screenshot.) Now, in some ways, I can't imagine this hasn't been tried (and probably abandoned) but I am definitely having fun exploring the marriage of not-really-flowcharting code diagramming with highly component-ized code. The diagramming concepts (creating small "functional" components graphically represented in some way) should be applicable to just about any other language as well. I can already see how this could be used with Javascript, Python, etc., and with some interesting "intelligence" to glue the code together into applications. I even have a simple static page web-server that runs "written" in this style. Marc
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IBM's VisualAge tools did this. Check this example[^]
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I have seen something kinda similar designed to teach children to program. A kind of drag and drop program elements such as ifs and loops etc... But not quite this advanced
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...that you have no idea whether the concept is viable, let alone how to implement the concept because it's probably never been done before? Like this[^]. (Sorry for the clicky to my blog, but it's the easiest way to show you all a screenshot.) Now, in some ways, I can't imagine this hasn't been tried (and probably abandoned) but I am definitely having fun exploring the marriage of not-really-flowcharting code diagramming with highly component-ized code. The diagramming concepts (creating small "functional" components graphically represented in some way) should be applicable to just about any other language as well. I can already see how this could be used with Javascript, Python, etc., and with some interesting "intelligence" to glue the code together into applications. I even have a simple static page web-server that runs "written" in this style. Marc
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LabView does something very similar to this by "wiring up" code modules.
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Yes now you mention it, Scratch on the Raspberry PI!
Marc's invention just had me thinking of that.
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Yes, Yes I have, and I've also implemented it...(assuming what you're aiming for is drag n drop coding on a "design surface".... I used the VS DSL Tools SKD (now part of the visualisation and modelling SDK) to provide a tool which allowed the user to drag n drop a table / view / sp etc from Server Explorer's Sql server node, which generated all the Data Access code you'd need, then allowed dragging various UI "types" from the toolbox (List view / editor view / list & detail view). Once you'd got it how you wanted it, you right-clicked and selected "Generate Code". This then popped up a dialog which asked you how you wanted the code generated (new project in the existing sln, new sln, add to existing projects)....I was working on allowing actual proper code (i.e. business logic rather than boilerplate) when I lost interest a little (new girlfriend - nuff said ;) ), but by a strange coincidence, I'm revisiting it as a private project right now - if you're interested, drop me a pm and we can discuss it further....
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
Nothing nicer that "a little new girlfriend". :laugh:
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...that you have no idea whether the concept is viable, let alone how to implement the concept because it's probably never been done before? Like this[^]. (Sorry for the clicky to my blog, but it's the easiest way to show you all a screenshot.) Now, in some ways, I can't imagine this hasn't been tried (and probably abandoned) but I am definitely having fun exploring the marriage of not-really-flowcharting code diagramming with highly component-ized code. The diagramming concepts (creating small "functional" components graphically represented in some way) should be applicable to just about any other language as well. I can already see how this could be used with Javascript, Python, etc., and with some interesting "intelligence" to glue the code together into applications. I even have a simple static page web-server that runs "written" in this style. Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
If you wait around long enough you'll see the same concepts "reinvented" every few years or so, just in whatever flavor happens to be in vogue at the time. This particular idea is one I've seen over and over, in various flavors. Probably the most sophisticated one I've actually used is Microsoft's WF, an alternative to their hideously expensive BizTalk product's orchestrations, running on Windows Server AppFabric. There, the base units are Activity objects, which themselves may be composed of other Activity objects. All activities have code to surface properties and functionality, but once an activity is coded, the visual designer may be used to simply drag and drop and connect these activities, setting values on properties, without even being aware of their underlying code. A quick search reveals a bunch of relatively recent implementations of visual "programming" tools for IoT devices: Visual Programming Guide | 2016 Overview of Available Languages and Software Tools[^] So, yeah, the concept is not new.
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...that you have no idea whether the concept is viable, let alone how to implement the concept because it's probably never been done before? Like this[^]. (Sorry for the clicky to my blog, but it's the easiest way to show you all a screenshot.) Now, in some ways, I can't imagine this hasn't been tried (and probably abandoned) but I am definitely having fun exploring the marriage of not-really-flowcharting code diagramming with highly component-ized code. The diagramming concepts (creating small "functional" components graphically represented in some way) should be applicable to just about any other language as well. I can already see how this could be used with Javascript, Python, etc., and with some interesting "intelligence" to glue the code together into applications. I even have a simple static page web-server that runs "written" in this style. Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
If you wait around long enough you'll see the same concepts "reinvented" every few years or so, just in whatever flavor happens to be in vogue at the time. This particular idea is one I've seen over and over, in various flavors. Probably the most sophisticated one I've actually used is Microsoft's WF, an alternative to their hideously expensive BizTalk product's orchestrations, running on Windows Server AppFabric. There, the base units are Activity objects, which themselves may be composed of other Activity objects. All activities have code to surface properties and functionality, but once an activity is coded, the visual designer may be used to simply drag and drop and connect these activities, setting values on properties, without even being aware of their underlying code. A quick search reveals a bunch of relatively recent implementations of visual "programming" tools for IoT devices: Visual Programming Guide | 2016 Overview of Available Languages and Software Tools[^] So, yeah, the concept is not new.
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...that you have no idea whether the concept is viable, let alone how to implement the concept because it's probably never been done before? Like this[^]. (Sorry for the clicky to my blog, but it's the easiest way to show you all a screenshot.) Now, in some ways, I can't imagine this hasn't been tried (and probably abandoned) but I am definitely having fun exploring the marriage of not-really-flowcharting code diagramming with highly component-ized code. The diagramming concepts (creating small "functional" components graphically represented in some way) should be applicable to just about any other language as well. I can already see how this could be used with Javascript, Python, etc., and with some interesting "intelligence" to glue the code together into applications. I even have a simple static page web-server that runs "written" in this style. Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
If you wait around long enough you'll see the same concepts "reinvented" every few years or so, just in whatever flavor happens to be in vogue at the time. This particular idea is one I've seen over and over, in various flavors. Probably the most sophisticated one I've actually used is Microsoft's WF, an alternative to their hideously expensive BizTalk product's orchestrations, running on Windows Server AppFabric. There, the base units are Activity objects, which themselves may be composed of other Activity objects. All activities have code to surface properties and functionality, but once an activity is coded, the visual designer may be used to simply drag and drop and connect these activities, setting values on properties, without even being aware of their underlying code. A quick search reveals a bunch of relatively recent implementations of visual "programming" tools for IoT devices: http://www.postscapes.com/iot-visual-programming-tools So, yeah, the concept is not new.
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...that you have no idea whether the concept is viable, let alone how to implement the concept because it's probably never been done before? Like this[^]. (Sorry for the clicky to my blog, but it's the easiest way to show you all a screenshot.) Now, in some ways, I can't imagine this hasn't been tried (and probably abandoned) but I am definitely having fun exploring the marriage of not-really-flowcharting code diagramming with highly component-ized code. The diagramming concepts (creating small "functional" components graphically represented in some way) should be applicable to just about any other language as well. I can already see how this could be used with Javascript, Python, etc., and with some interesting "intelligence" to glue the code together into applications. I even have a simple static page web-server that runs "written" in this style. Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
If you wait around long enough you'll see the same concepts "reinvented" every few years or so, just in whatever flavor happens to be in vogue at the time. This particular idea is one I've seen over and over, in various flavors. Probably the most sophisticated one I've actually used is Microsoft's WF, an alternative to their hideously expensive BizTalk product's orchestrations, running on Windows Server AppFabric. There, the base units are Activity objects, which themselves may be composed of other Activity objects. All activities have code to surface properties and functionality, but once an activity is coded, the visual designer may be used to simply drag and drop and connect these activities, setting values on properties, without even being aware of their underlying code. A quick search reveals a bunch of relatively recent implementations of visual "programming" tools for IoT devices: http://www.postscapes.com/iot-visual-programming-tools So, yeah, the concept is not new.
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...that you have no idea whether the concept is viable, let alone how to implement the concept because it's probably never been done before? Like this[^]. (Sorry for the clicky to my blog, but it's the easiest way to show you all a screenshot.) Now, in some ways, I can't imagine this hasn't been tried (and probably abandoned) but I am definitely having fun exploring the marriage of not-really-flowcharting code diagramming with highly component-ized code. The diagramming concepts (creating small "functional" components graphically represented in some way) should be applicable to just about any other language as well. I can already see how this could be used with Javascript, Python, etc., and with some interesting "intelligence" to glue the code together into applications. I even have a simple static page web-server that runs "written" in this style. Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
If you wait around long enough you'll see the same concepts "invented" every few years or so, just in whatever flavor happens to be in vogue at the time. This particular idea is one I've seen over and over, in various flavors. Probably the most sophisticated one I've actually used is Microsoft's WF, an alternative to their hideously expensive BizTalk product's orchestrations, running on Windows Server AppFabric. There, the base units are Activity objects, which themselves may be composed of other Activity objects. All activities have code to surface properties and functionality, but once an activity is coded, the visual designer may be used to simply drag and drop and connect these activities, setting values on properties, without even being aware of their underlying code. A quick search reveals a bunch of relatively recent implementations of visual "programming" tools for IoT devices: http://www.postscapes.com/iot-visual-programming-tools So, yeah, the concept is not new.
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...that you have no idea whether the concept is viable, let alone how to implement the concept because it's probably never been done before? Like this[^]. (Sorry for the clicky to my blog, but it's the easiest way to show you all a screenshot.) Now, in some ways, I can't imagine this hasn't been tried (and probably abandoned) but I am definitely having fun exploring the marriage of not-really-flowcharting code diagramming with highly component-ized code. The diagramming concepts (creating small "functional" components graphically represented in some way) should be applicable to just about any other language as well. I can already see how this could be used with Javascript, Python, etc., and with some interesting "intelligence" to glue the code together into applications. I even have a simple static page web-server that runs "written" in this style. Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
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...that you have no idea whether the concept is viable, let alone how to implement the concept because it's probably never been done before? Like this[^]. (Sorry for the clicky to my blog, but it's the easiest way to show you all a screenshot.) Now, in some ways, I can't imagine this hasn't been tried (and probably abandoned) but I am definitely having fun exploring the marriage of not-really-flowcharting code diagramming with highly component-ized code. The diagramming concepts (creating small "functional" components graphically represented in some way) should be applicable to just about any other language as well. I can already see how this could be used with Javascript, Python, etc., and with some interesting "intelligence" to glue the code together into applications. I even have a simple static page web-server that runs "written" in this style. Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
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I've seen this sort of thing before, 30+ years ago, in the 80's. Borland had something 20+ years ago in the 90's. Microsoft, I believe, tried something like that about 10 years later. It was a grand idea but didn't go anywhere. It might today given different toolsets and performance gains and the right execution.
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Unleash the inner mad scientist. On the original PlayStation, there was a game called Carnage Heart with a tile programming system for making robots fight. Graphical representation is valuable for many reasons. Some people generate UML from code, others generate code from UML. The value I see with what you're doing there is maybe a way to enforce a sanity check on code and graphically show why it may be broken or sub-optimal. "You clearly triangled when you should have pancaked." I would never want to get caught up in fidgeting with shapes and lines to make my code work. But I'll fidget with my code to make the shapes and lines work if graphical representation shows me I'm painting a Picasso when I've intended Rembrandt.
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...that you have no idea whether the concept is viable, let alone how to implement the concept because it's probably never been done before? Like this[^]. (Sorry for the clicky to my blog, but it's the easiest way to show you all a screenshot.) Now, in some ways, I can't imagine this hasn't been tried (and probably abandoned) but I am definitely having fun exploring the marriage of not-really-flowcharting code diagramming with highly component-ized code. The diagramming concepts (creating small "functional" components graphically represented in some way) should be applicable to just about any other language as well. I can already see how this could be used with Javascript, Python, etc., and with some interesting "intelligence" to glue the code together into applications. I even have a simple static page web-server that runs "written" in this style. Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
"because it's probably never been done before" As people here have noted "it HAS been done before". Labview (1986) Borland Object Vision (1990) Scratch (2002) And many others ... The real question is "Why do these non-verbal programming tools never take off?". And: "Why can't I program in Emojis?"
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"because it's probably never been done before" As people here have noted "it HAS been done before". Labview (1986) Borland Object Vision (1990) Scratch (2002) And many others ... The real question is "Why do these non-verbal programming tools never take off?". And: "Why can't I program in Emojis?"
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...that you have no idea whether the concept is viable, let alone how to implement the concept because it's probably never been done before? Like this[^]. (Sorry for the clicky to my blog, but it's the easiest way to show you all a screenshot.) Now, in some ways, I can't imagine this hasn't been tried (and probably abandoned) but I am definitely having fun exploring the marriage of not-really-flowcharting code diagramming with highly component-ized code. The diagramming concepts (creating small "functional" components graphically represented in some way) should be applicable to just about any other language as well. I can already see how this could be used with Javascript, Python, etc., and with some interesting "intelligence" to glue the code together into applications. I even have a simple static page web-server that runs "written" in this style. Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
I may be missing something, but what is the difference to UML tools like RationalRose, or EnterpriseArchitect, that can both generate code from diagrams and diagrams from code? Also, Eclipse has a built-in UML editor/generator that works great for Java (not so great for C++) List of Unified Modeling Language tools - Wikipedia[^]
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