Test data?
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
The added bonus of reserving for Narnia or Mordor is that when an order actually accidentally makes it to production, it is (hopefully!) easily recognizeale as nonsense-data
Or a lawsuit for lots of spilled fuel! :laugh:
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
How 'real' is data?
I used to work for meat processing companies (yes, as a vegetarian, I know...) so they had a product, like tenderloin, that I would use for testing. So whenever the customer tried to explain what he wanted and we looked at some test data together he would laugh at me for putting a tenderloin in an order by some French customer that never orders tenderloin and then having it shipped by some Russian transporter (while the customer was in France). I really don't care what customer I ship too, or what transporter delivers the goods, none of that mattered for the test, but he just couldn't work like that. So yeah, he'd recreate nearly every test case we had so it fit a real world scenario, whether it was important for the test or not.
Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
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Do you make test data fun? I'm currently working on a car reservation system. I've reserved cars to Mordor, Isengard, Hogwarts, Mos Eisley Cantina and Narnia. It's all fun and games until something accidentally lands on a production environment (like my Hot Spicy Steak, product code 666, delivered to Sanderville a few years ago). I know some people, especially customers, need test data to be "the real thing".
Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
My test data is somewhat dry and flat, but my bugs are of the best quality... there are tears...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Do you make test data fun? I'm currently working on a car reservation system. I've reserved cars to Mordor, Isengard, Hogwarts, Mos Eisley Cantina and Narnia. It's all fun and games until something accidentally lands on a production environment (like my Hot Spicy Steak, product code 666, delivered to Sanderville a few years ago). I know some people, especially customers, need test data to be "the real thing".
Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
Not only test data. Years ago I worked for a company that archived documents. The documents were archived on CDs by robots, along with a viewer to view them when needed. I had to add two menu items, one to activate the toolbar and one to make it disappear. Instead of naming them 'Toolbar ein' and 'Toolbar aus', I named them 'Einbartool' and 'Ausbartool', just for fun. Then we got the news that the UN wanted to use the archiving system and they quickly needed the viewer translated to French. They literally ripped it out of my hands as soon a I had written my last line of code and sent it to a translator. A day later we got a mail with the question: "Qu'est ce que un 'Einbartool'?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
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Do you make test data fun? I'm currently working on a car reservation system. I've reserved cars to Mordor, Isengard, Hogwarts, Mos Eisley Cantina and Narnia. It's all fun and games until something accidentally lands on a production environment (like my Hot Spicy Steak, product code 666, delivered to Sanderville a few years ago). I know some people, especially customers, need test data to be "the real thing".
Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
Depends on the project, some I do and some I don't. Typically, for the projects I pull from production to dev/test frequently I don't. But if I'm in the early phases of a project that hasn't seen the light of day yet, I'm more inclined to do so. Also, depends on my mood... and planetary alignment.
Jeremy Falcon
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My test data is somewhat dry and flat, but my bugs are of the best quality... there are tears...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
but my bugs are of the best quality
Somehow I read "drugs" instead of "bugs"... :~
Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
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Not only test data. Years ago I worked for a company that archived documents. The documents were archived on CDs by robots, along with a viewer to view them when needed. I had to add two menu items, one to activate the toolbar and one to make it disappear. Instead of naming them 'Toolbar ein' and 'Toolbar aus', I named them 'Einbartool' and 'Ausbartool', just for fun. Then we got the news that the UN wanted to use the archiving system and they quickly needed the viewer translated to French. They literally ripped it out of my hands as soon a I had written my last line of code and sent it to a translator. A day later we got a mail with the question: "Qu'est ce que un 'Einbartool'?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.That's awesome! :laugh: :thumbsup: I was particularly bad at French in high school, the language of Mordor... :sigh:
Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
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Do you make test data fun? I'm currently working on a car reservation system. I've reserved cars to Mordor, Isengard, Hogwarts, Mos Eisley Cantina and Narnia. It's all fun and games until something accidentally lands on a production environment (like my Hot Spicy Steak, product code 666, delivered to Sanderville a few years ago). I know some people, especially customers, need test data to be "the real thing".
Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
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You know, the data that's on production (where developers test) :D
Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
but my bugs are of the best quality
Somehow I read "drugs" instead of "bugs"... :~
Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
Sander Rossel wrote:
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
but my bugs are of the best quality
Somehow I read "drugs" instead of "bugs"..
No you didn't, but Kornfeld just edited his post real quick. And as far as quality goes, I can assure you the man stocks some pretty classy stuff. :-\
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You know, the data that's on production (where developers test) :D
Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
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Do you make test data fun? I'm currently working on a car reservation system. I've reserved cars to Mordor, Isengard, Hogwarts, Mos Eisley Cantina and Narnia. It's all fun and games until something accidentally lands on a production environment (like my Hot Spicy Steak, product code 666, delivered to Sanderville a few years ago). I know some people, especially customers, need test data to be "the real thing".
Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
We recently demonstrated a system to the manager of the primary user having put in test data where we labelled a module "Finance Management". This was a label on a view and we said straight away we could change it to anything he liked. Said manager spent the next 30 minutes explaining why the label was invalid. He later wrote it up as a problem with the application. Morale of the story, make you test data nonsense, not something close to reality, even a manager can't focus on nonsense for too long.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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We recently demonstrated a system to the manager of the primary user having put in test data where we labelled a module "Finance Management". This was a label on a view and we said straight away we could change it to anything he liked. Said manager spent the next 30 minutes explaining why the label was invalid. He later wrote it up as a problem with the application. Morale of the story, make you test data nonsense, not something close to reality, even a manager can't focus on nonsense for too long.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
even a manager can't focus on nonsense for too long.
OH! How I wish that were true! Cheers, Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Do you make test data fun? I'm currently working on a car reservation system. I've reserved cars to Mordor, Isengard, Hogwarts, Mos Eisley Cantina and Narnia. It's all fun and games until something accidentally lands on a production environment (like my Hot Spicy Steak, product code 666, delivered to Sanderville a few years ago). I know some people, especially customers, need test data to be "the real thing".
Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
Mostly not. But recently I found test data for an application I was working on to mention occupation as terrorist. Don't know who created that but we were scared to deny anything to that particular user.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]
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I did this early in my career. But remember not to take it too far. When I used an image of Darth Vader for the CEO and he saw it, we had to revert back to boring test data... The whole IT department got reprimanded once it was found.
Hogan
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
The added bonus of reserving for Narnia or Mordor is that when an order actually accidentally makes it to production, it is (hopefully!) easily recognizeale as nonsense-data
Or a lawsuit for lots of spilled fuel! :laugh:
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
How 'real' is data?
I used to work for meat processing companies (yes, as a vegetarian, I know...) so they had a product, like tenderloin, that I would use for testing. So whenever the customer tried to explain what he wanted and we looked at some test data together he would laugh at me for putting a tenderloin in an order by some French customer that never orders tenderloin and then having it shipped by some Russian transporter (while the customer was in France). I really don't care what customer I ship too, or what transporter delivers the goods, none of that mattered for the test, but he just couldn't work like that. So yeah, he'd recreate nearly every test case we had so it fit a real world scenario, whether it was important for the test or not.
Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
The best test data would probably include a large set of historical data. If your app doesn't cater for historical data, make it, and avoid all the guesswork on what to initially test with.
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I did this early in my career. But remember not to take it too far. When I used an image of Darth Vader for the CEO and he saw it, we had to revert back to boring test data... The whole IT department got reprimanded once it was found.
Hogan
No humour. My boss would demand the full size original of the picture.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Do you make test data fun? I'm currently working on a car reservation system. I've reserved cars to Mordor, Isengard, Hogwarts, Mos Eisley Cantina and Narnia. It's all fun and games until something accidentally lands on a production environment (like my Hot Spicy Steak, product code 666, delivered to Sanderville a few years ago). I know some people, especially customers, need test data to be "the real thing".
Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
Generally I use a copy of the real data to make the testing more faithful. But if I don't have real data and create a mockup, it has to be obvious that the test data is fake so I don't forget to exchange it for real data later, so yes hilarious it is. Or bacon ipsum[^] if I'm lazy.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Do you make test data fun? I'm currently working on a car reservation system. I've reserved cars to Mordor, Isengard, Hogwarts, Mos Eisley Cantina and Narnia. It's all fun and games until something accidentally lands on a production environment (like my Hot Spicy Steak, product code 666, delivered to Sanderville a few years ago). I know some people, especially customers, need test data to be "the real thing".
Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
I think we can, and in fact should, however never take it too far indeed. Same for commenting code. If it does come in production, always remember, someone signed of for going live at some point. As long as that person is not you, don't sweat it ;P
V.
(MQOTD rules and previous solutions)
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Do you make test data fun? I'm currently working on a car reservation system. I've reserved cars to Mordor, Isengard, Hogwarts, Mos Eisley Cantina and Narnia. It's all fun and games until something accidentally lands on a production environment (like my Hot Spicy Steak, product code 666, delivered to Sanderville a few years ago). I know some people, especially customers, need test data to be "the real thing".
Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
It can be extremely noisome, particularly if you have to arrange presentations or training for customer representatives. One "very funny gag" can cost hours of time, editing it out of screenshots, rebuilding databases, etc. I would strongly suggest that it be avoided, if you want your customers (and other people in your company) to view you as a professional.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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It can be extremely noisome, particularly if you have to arrange presentations or training for customer representatives. One "very funny gag" can cost hours of time, editing it out of screenshots, rebuilding databases, etc. I would strongly suggest that it be avoided, if you want your customers (and other people in your company) to view you as a professional.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Or just never use a development database for demos. A development database is going to have test data, probably even some invalid data to test certain scenarios.
Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
