Shortage of Junior .net Developer !!!
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Bryian Tan wrote:
Where to find them?
McDonalds! You want fries with that? ;)
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the timeLol. And drinks too
Bryian Tan
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I suppose I technically qualify as one and I dunno. Sitting around staring at job boards that all want Senior .NET Developers probably wondering where all the employers looking for Junior or even Mid-level devs are. As someone currently looking that's been my experience anyways :doh:
I agreed sometime the job description is too ambitious for a junior position. And that turn them away. For my case, I might not looking at the right place.
Bryian Tan
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doesn't it depend in what you're looking for Bryian ? 'junior .net developer' could mean 'reads c# and makes coffee' for example - I see a lot of jobs advertised for 'full stack' developers - I don't have ASP.Net experience so that rules me out - 'kids' today seem more interested in JavaScript frameworks - maybe they get a quicker 'hit' ie see something happening by using them - I've never been one for quick gratification
Lol, make coffee. That would be nice too:) yes, kids are smart nowadays and sometimes is tough to find the good one.
Bryian Tan
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Maybe its time to add "Job Boards" here.
Hmm. I thought we have one :)
Bryian Tan
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sorry, not in the mood - had a rough time in an interview before Xmas (was set up for a fall, and fell), still smarting from things - hence Im pushing a 'PC' line, (boring though that is)
Sorry to hear that. Hope thing get better the next time. Sometime I felt like interview is another opportunity to discover new thing that you didn't know, learn how people ask question. If you don't get the job that fine, at least you get some idea what the employers are looking for. Go back do some study/ homework, be prepared and try another time.
Bryian Tan
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If you can't find them, you have to make them... :-) (or look somewhere other than jobs websites - for example any local meetup groups or indeed GitHub?)
Yeah, have to look outside the circle
Bryian Tan
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Businesses don't have time, finance or resources to train .net developers any more as they're all curtting costs, and Universities seem to teach Java, PHP and Javascript as it's much cheaper to set up labs with Linux than Windows [although with .net core that might change, though I wouldn't bank on it].
I agreed. If an employer willing to give you opportunity to learn in their environment , that awesome. Else you have to setup lab and study and still need to get a job to gain real world experience :)
Bryian Tan
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I could be one - I'm no junior developer but .NET is almost unexplored land for me, as I only made a C# plugin for VisualStudio (it shows areas of memory as 8 or 16 bit grayscale images, gamma-contrast correction, zoom, painting of arrays indicating colums-rows or rows-column, saving the buffer) and a C++/CLI interface to load a C++ DLL in a C# project (the DLL is loadable both from native and from .NET).
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That what I felt like sometime, never know enough to hang out/ compete with other smart professional out there
Bryian Tan
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You can ask in the QA, if you want more junior you will have to go to a kindergarten ;P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Edit: Note to self, I should read the full thread before answering... that would avoid repeating jokes :doh: :doh: :doh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
:)
Bryian Tan
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Totally agreed with you.
Bryian Tan
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For the past weekend, I had been asking around people in my circle, if they know any junior .net developer looking for job. Surprisingly, the answer is NO. That make me realize that I don't have any connection with junior developers community :sigh: . So where are all the junior .net developers/ fresh graduated student hanging out? Where to find them? :omg: :omg: :omg:
Bryian Tan
It's been my experience (since I didn't start out in programming school) that the main to job qualifications are: 1) A minimum of 15 years experience in (fill in) 2) A maximum age of 25 years old.
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If you can't find them, you have to make them... :-) (or look somewhere other than jobs websites - for example any local meetup groups or indeed GitHub?)
Agree 100%! There are a lot of youngsters out there who haven't really considered programming or who think they've missed the boat.. We should look to train our local young people before taking the easy (and cheaper - at least in the short term) option and hiring from elsewhere (be it another city, region or country).
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Agree 100%! There are a lot of youngsters out there who haven't really considered programming or who think they've missed the boat.. We should look to train our local young people before taking the easy (and cheaper - at least in the short term) option and hiring from elsewhere (be it another city, region or country).
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
but where are they?
Bryian Tan
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Lol, make coffee. That would be nice too:) yes, kids are smart nowadays and sometimes is tough to find the good one.
Bryian Tan
You mean making coffee isn't just about throwing a stone in a random direction and going to whichever starbucks it lands on? :laugh:
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It's been my experience (since I didn't start out in programming school) that the main to job qualifications are: 1) A minimum of 15 years experience in (fill in) 2) A maximum age of 25 years old.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I remember seeing a couple of job listings asking for recent college graduates with 6 or more years of experience...go figure.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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but where are they?
Bryian Tan
Probably doing part-time work in shops, bars, restaurants or menial office work. I worked in electronics for about 14 years before moving into software. I'd been writing software all the time, and when I heard an advert on the local radio about a recruitment event for software developers I decided to go along. I don't have a degree, but I took some of my code along with me and was the only person to get offered a job that day. The rest is history (so far).. :)
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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For the past weekend, I had been asking around people in my circle, if they know any junior .net developer looking for job. Surprisingly, the answer is NO. That make me realize that I don't have any connection with junior developers community :sigh: . So where are all the junior .net developers/ fresh graduated student hanging out? Where to find them? :omg: :omg: :omg:
Bryian Tan
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For the past weekend, I had been asking around people in my circle, if they know any junior .net developer looking for job. Surprisingly, the answer is NO. That make me realize that I don't have any connection with junior developers community :sigh: . So where are all the junior .net developers/ fresh graduated student hanging out? Where to find them? :omg: :omg: :omg:
Bryian Tan
Hi Bryian,I am a junior software.Net developer i know this is not the right place but yes we exist so if you want some help from me surely I can help you out.
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For the past weekend, I had been asking around people in my circle, if they know any junior .net developer looking for job. Surprisingly, the answer is NO. That make me realize that I don't have any connection with junior developers community :sigh: . So where are all the junior .net developers/ fresh graduated student hanging out? Where to find them? :omg: :omg: :omg:
Bryian Tan
.Net developers are born senior, that's why :laugh: Jokes aside, it may have to do with the fact that there must be a shortage of labor where you live. It's the same with me. And worse, I've seen a lot of juniors been hired as seniors. I've seen a lot of them come and fail because the hiring process is flawed.
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I suppose I technically qualify as one and I dunno. Sitting around staring at job boards that all want Senior .NET Developers probably wondering where all the employers looking for Junior or even Mid-level devs are. As someone currently looking that's been my experience anyways :doh:
I remember back in 2005 seeing an ad for an experienced dot net developer with 5, that's right, 5 years experience.