Shortage of Junior .net Developer !!!
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If you can't find them, you have to make them... :-) (or look somewhere other than jobs websites - for example any local meetup groups or indeed GitHub?)
Agree 100%! There are a lot of youngsters out there who haven't really considered programming or who think they've missed the boat.. We should look to train our local young people before taking the easy (and cheaper - at least in the short term) option and hiring from elsewhere (be it another city, region or country).
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Agree 100%! There are a lot of youngsters out there who haven't really considered programming or who think they've missed the boat.. We should look to train our local young people before taking the easy (and cheaper - at least in the short term) option and hiring from elsewhere (be it another city, region or country).
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
but where are they?
Bryian Tan
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Lol, make coffee. That would be nice too:) yes, kids are smart nowadays and sometimes is tough to find the good one.
Bryian Tan
You mean making coffee isn't just about throwing a stone in a random direction and going to whichever starbucks it lands on? :laugh:
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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It's been my experience (since I didn't start out in programming school) that the main to job qualifications are: 1) A minimum of 15 years experience in (fill in) 2) A maximum age of 25 years old.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I remember seeing a couple of job listings asking for recent college graduates with 6 or more years of experience...go figure.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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but where are they?
Bryian Tan
Probably doing part-time work in shops, bars, restaurants or menial office work. I worked in electronics for about 14 years before moving into software. I'd been writing software all the time, and when I heard an advert on the local radio about a recruitment event for software developers I decided to go along. I don't have a degree, but I took some of my code along with me and was the only person to get offered a job that day. The rest is history (so far).. :)
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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For the past weekend, I had been asking around people in my circle, if they know any junior .net developer looking for job. Surprisingly, the answer is NO. That make me realize that I don't have any connection with junior developers community :sigh: . So where are all the junior .net developers/ fresh graduated student hanging out? Where to find them? :omg: :omg: :omg:
Bryian Tan
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For the past weekend, I had been asking around people in my circle, if they know any junior .net developer looking for job. Surprisingly, the answer is NO. That make me realize that I don't have any connection with junior developers community :sigh: . So where are all the junior .net developers/ fresh graduated student hanging out? Where to find them? :omg: :omg: :omg:
Bryian Tan
Hi Bryian,I am a junior software.Net developer i know this is not the right place but yes we exist so if you want some help from me surely I can help you out.
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For the past weekend, I had been asking around people in my circle, if they know any junior .net developer looking for job. Surprisingly, the answer is NO. That make me realize that I don't have any connection with junior developers community :sigh: . So where are all the junior .net developers/ fresh graduated student hanging out? Where to find them? :omg: :omg: :omg:
Bryian Tan
.Net developers are born senior, that's why :laugh: Jokes aside, it may have to do with the fact that there must be a shortage of labor where you live. It's the same with me. And worse, I've seen a lot of juniors been hired as seniors. I've seen a lot of them come and fail because the hiring process is flawed.
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I suppose I technically qualify as one and I dunno. Sitting around staring at job boards that all want Senior .NET Developers probably wondering where all the employers looking for Junior or even Mid-level devs are. As someone currently looking that's been my experience anyways :doh:
I remember back in 2005 seeing an ad for an experienced dot net developer with 5, that's right, 5 years experience.
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I remember back in 2005 seeing an ad for an experienced dot net developer with 5, that's right, 5 years experience.
I remember an email this week from an agent looking for a senior .NET developer with 3+ years experience. To be fair I've also worked with senior developers with less ability than juniors/graduates. Titles mean far less than client requirements and day rate/salary. Also, years don't necessarily indicate experience.
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I remember an email this week from an agent looking for a senior .NET developer with 3+ years experience. To be fair I've also worked with senior developers with less ability than juniors/graduates. Titles mean far less than client requirements and day rate/salary. Also, years don't necessarily indicate experience.
The gist of my comment was that dot net officially was launched in 2001, but the ad (placed in 2005) was looking for 5 years experience. Totally unrealistic.
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The gist of my comment was that dot net officially was launched in 2001, but the ad (placed in 2005) was looking for 5 years experience. Totally unrealistic.
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The gist of my comment was that dot net officially was launched in 2001, but the ad (placed in 2005) was looking for 5 years experience. Totally unrealistic.
WinnipegCodeMonkey wrote:
The gist of my comment was that dot net officially was launched in 2001, but the ad (placed in 2005) was looking for 5 years experience. Totally unrealistic.
I was to say something similar but even worse, in 2005 as well, they were looking for someone with 10 years experience in .NET, I laughed so much, governments, they know nothing :-)
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For the past weekend, I had been asking around people in my circle, if they know any junior .net developer looking for job. Surprisingly, the answer is NO. That make me realize that I don't have any connection with junior developers community :sigh: . So where are all the junior .net developers/ fresh graduated student hanging out? Where to find them? :omg: :omg: :omg:
Bryian Tan
"Junior" means chump change; so no one is going to admit to being "junior". In fact, almost everyone I see on the internet has a "Masters degree"... I'm cleaning up one mess like that now. Enterprise SAAS.
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal
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For the past weekend, I had been asking around people in my circle, if they know any junior .net developer looking for job. Surprisingly, the answer is NO. That make me realize that I don't have any connection with junior developers community :sigh: . So where are all the junior .net developers/ fresh graduated student hanging out? Where to find them? :omg: :omg: :omg:
Bryian Tan
This whole Jr/Sr level of developer has always bothered me a bit. It is supposed to imply experience AND ability. For example, I am a VERY GOOD problem solver. I solve the problem first, then write the code. I was trained as a "Programmer/Analyst" and I appreciate the Analyst part, which we have lost. So, while I am very Sr with problem solving, with .Net I am very Junior/Inexperienced. Although I have written about 500,000 lines of C code in my life, how do I apply for a Sr. Level C# position? In a one many shop, taking something over, I would be less effective than on a team with one really talented C# person to chop my learning curve. == So back to your question... The challenge is that we need to stay in touch with the schools, etc. if we want to find young talent. Coding schools, maybe, to find "fresh" talent (someone like me learning a new skill), and we have to separate skills in development from ability with a language. Just my 2 cents.
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For the past weekend, I had been asking around people in my circle, if they know any junior .net developer looking for job. Surprisingly, the answer is NO. That make me realize that I don't have any connection with junior developers community :sigh: . So where are all the junior .net developers/ fresh graduated student hanging out? Where to find them? :omg: :omg: :omg:
Bryian Tan
Your local College Computing department may have a [insert collective noun for students] of students that would love to have an apprenticeship. I have chosen to teach VB.Net at my College because VB is a professional tool [discuss] and, well, it's .Net and easily transferrable to C#.
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For the past weekend, I had been asking around people in my circle, if they know any junior .net developer looking for job. Surprisingly, the answer is NO. That make me realize that I don't have any connection with junior developers community :sigh: . So where are all the junior .net developers/ fresh graduated student hanging out? Where to find them? :omg: :omg: :omg:
Bryian Tan
Your local College Computing department may have a [insert collective noun for students] of students that would love to have an apprenticeship. I have chosen to teach VB.Net at my College because VB is a professional tool [discuss] and, well, it's .Net and easily transferrable to C#. Apparently this message is spam! It was initially cleared, I corrected a typo and was then left hanging as spam, how DARE I care about grammar! This copy has been brought to you by the magic of the clipboard.
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For the past weekend, I had been asking around people in my circle, if they know any junior .net developer looking for job. Surprisingly, the answer is NO. That make me realize that I don't have any connection with junior developers community :sigh: . So where are all the junior .net developers/ fresh graduated student hanging out? Where to find them? :omg: :omg: :omg:
Bryian Tan
25 years ago, I was teaching programming at a tech college for six years. One kind of student was universally "hated" by the lecturers: Those who got their first PC, with software development tools, at age 10 and after having played around with it for 8 years come to college "knowing everything" about programming. To unlearn them all the bad habits was a nightmare. (Once a student handed in to me a homework assginment in two versions: First, a reasonably good solution, headed by "This is how the professor forces us to program it:", then, as a huge comment block, headed by "This is how a real programmer would do it:" and the dirtiest, messiest code you could imagine. Nowadays, I work with a fair share of junior programmers, more or less right out of college (but all with an academic education), experiencing a deja vu. Those still glowing from the college oven know how everything should be done and organized and structured, attempting to turn the entire shop upside down. I mean, the problem isn't the lack of experience, but they believe they have it. Or rather, that their academic education is a lot more worth than any level of experience. None of them considers themselves junior developers, but rather glorious messengers who are there to enlighten the dark industrial world with the shining light from the new acacemic ideas. Sure, at least 90% of our developers have university level education. We probably behaved the same way in our first year or two. We were probably just as self confident as today's youngsters are. I guess that part of your problem is to make people realize that they are juinors. Admit that they do not know everything, even if they have picked up the latest crop of academic ideas. They know to sell themselves by "I know how to do it", not by "I am willing to learn how to do it the right way", which is far more true for a junior developer. But it doesn't sell.
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For the past weekend, I had been asking around people in my circle, if they know any junior .net developer looking for job. Surprisingly, the answer is NO. That make me realize that I don't have any connection with junior developers community :sigh: . So where are all the junior .net developers/ fresh graduated student hanging out? Where to find them? :omg: :omg: :omg:
Bryian Tan
A whole weekend? That's quite a while to be searching and not finding anyone. Anyway, junior [insert tech here] developers are not found; they are made. You're looking for graduates or people with logical thought processes, good attention to detail and a hands on "can do" attitude.
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This whole Jr/Sr level of developer has always bothered me a bit. It is supposed to imply experience AND ability. For example, I am a VERY GOOD problem solver. I solve the problem first, then write the code. I was trained as a "Programmer/Analyst" and I appreciate the Analyst part, which we have lost. So, while I am very Sr with problem solving, with .Net I am very Junior/Inexperienced. Although I have written about 500,000 lines of C code in my life, how do I apply for a Sr. Level C# position? In a one many shop, taking something over, I would be less effective than on a team with one really talented C# person to chop my learning curve. == So back to your question... The challenge is that we need to stay in touch with the schools, etc. if we want to find young talent. Coding schools, maybe, to find "fresh" talent (someone like me learning a new skill), and we have to separate skills in development from ability with a language. Just my 2 cents.
Yes!!! Connection/stay in touch with other organizations are very vital.
Bryian Tan