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  • L Lost User

    Ahhh, fanboi time again. I resent being called a hater, just because I have not yet abandoned all critical thinking and let some company herd me around with the other sheep. For a small fee, of course.

    The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
    This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
    "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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    ZurdoDev
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    CDP1802 wrote:

    I resent being called a hater

    OK.

    There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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    • L Lost User

      Ahhh, fanboi time again. I resent being called a hater, just because I have not yet abandoned all critical thinking and let some company herd me around with the other sheep. For a small fee, of course.

      The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
      This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
      "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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      ZurdoDev
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      The thing is you could be right in your points but you are unable to keep your emotions and hatred out of your posts so you cannot be taken serious on this topic. :^)

      There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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      • P pasber

        I have designed a Desktop application (Winforms) for Windows. I have a web site for sale it, manage the licenses key, etc. What can the windows store give me more? Maybe somebody using it can give me the good and bad points? Regards

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        Mark_Wallace
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        It can be extremely useful, if you have low blood pressure and too much money.

        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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        • Z ZurdoDev

          The thing is you could be right in your points but you are unable to keep your emotions and hatred out of your posts so you cannot be taken serious on this topic. :^)

          There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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          Lost User
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          Please tell me what weed you smoke, so that I can appear just as happy, tranquilized and 'credible' as you do.

          The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
          This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
          "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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          • P pasber

            I have designed a Desktop application (Winforms) for Windows. I have a web site for sale it, manage the licenses key, etc. What can the windows store give me more? Maybe somebody using it can give me the good and bad points? Regards

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            Pete OHanlon
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            Okay, let's turn this on the head slightly. Right now, you have a web site that you sell it through. This means that you have to pay for infrastructure costs to host the software. You also have to manage the payment handling which, if you are selling in multiple countries, can be a legal nightmare because you should be managing things such as applying the right taxes, etc. This also means that your bank account may need to be vetted by banks to ensure that you aren't inadvertently supporting AML (money laundering). That's legal and jurisdictional hassle that you currently have to deal with. Moving this to the responsibility of the app store removes this headache from you.

            This space for rent

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            • L Lost User

              Please tell me what weed you smoke, so that I can appear just as happy, tranquilized and 'credible' as you do.

              The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
              This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
              "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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              Mark_Wallace
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              It's the thought of the wu mao he gets for every pro-ms message he posts on CP. On his well-deserved salary, wushi mao a week makes a big difference.

              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                Okay, let's turn this on the head slightly. Right now, you have a web site that you sell it through. This means that you have to pay for infrastructure costs to host the software. You also have to manage the payment handling which, if you are selling in multiple countries, can be a legal nightmare because you should be managing things such as applying the right taxes, etc. This also means that your bank account may need to be vetted by banks to ensure that you aren't inadvertently supporting AML (money laundering). That's legal and jurisdictional hassle that you currently have to deal with. Moving this to the responsibility of the app store removes this headache from you.

                This space for rent

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                Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                You have some wrong points here: 1. Hosting - it is very cheap nowadays... 2. Payment processing - all you need is a PayPal (or similar) account, and you solved all the management/taxing problems 3. Both can be solved in one place if you are using some cloud, like Amazon E3... And from experience - getting the money from Microsoft doesn't solve you the problem of accusation from the bank about money laundry... You still will have to present a detailed billing list to prove you innocent...

                Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

                "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                • M Mark_Wallace

                  It's the thought of the wu mao he gets for every pro-ms message he posts on CP. On his well-deserved salary, wushi mao a week makes a big difference.

                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                  Lost User
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                  Probably right. It's at least a reason, but not a very ethical one. The terrible thing is that there are real fanbois out there that are really so fanatic.

                  The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                  This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                  "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                    You have some wrong points here: 1. Hosting - it is very cheap nowadays... 2. Payment processing - all you need is a PayPal (or similar) account, and you solved all the management/taxing problems 3. Both can be solved in one place if you are using some cloud, like Amazon E3... And from experience - getting the money from Microsoft doesn't solve you the problem of accusation from the bank about money laundry... You still will have to present a detailed billing list to prove you innocent...

                    Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                    Lost User
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                    Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                    And from experience - getting the money from Microsoft doesn't solve you the problem of accusation from the bank about money laundry...

                    On the contrary. That's only the last evidence they need to think you are some kind of Mafioso. :-)

                    The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                    This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                    "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                    • L Lost User

                      Please tell me what weed you smoke, so that I can appear just as happy, tranquilized and 'credible' as you do.

                      The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                      This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                      "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                      ZurdoDev
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                      CDP1802 wrote:

                      so that I can appear just as happy,

                      Now you're just proving my point. All I did was point out that you hate Microsoft and somehow you're trying to turn it into me being happy. Very telling. ;)

                      There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                        You have some wrong points here: 1. Hosting - it is very cheap nowadays... 2. Payment processing - all you need is a PayPal (or similar) account, and you solved all the management/taxing problems 3. Both can be solved in one place if you are using some cloud, like Amazon E3... And from experience - getting the money from Microsoft doesn't solve you the problem of accusation from the bank about money laundry... You still will have to present a detailed billing list to prove you innocent...

                        Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                        Pete OHanlon
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                        Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                        1. Hosting - it is very cheap nowadays...

                        Well, that really depends. Yes, you can get cheap hosting but getting hosting that supports failover, etc, is a massive headache and can rapidly escalate costs.

                        Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                        2. Payment processing - all you need is a PayPal (or similar) account, and you solved all the management/taxing problems

                        I find that one a funny one. You'll be surprised how many businesses won't buy from you if your only payment option is PayPal, or perhaps you won't be surprised. Yes, if you're only dealing with B2C, you might be able to get away with this, but B2B then you are probably going to have to roll out a much more robust payment system.

                        Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                        3. Both can be solved in one place if you are using some cloud, like Amazon E3...

                        I thought you were talking about cheap options. Cloud options can run up some very nasty costs, very quickly. There is no such thing as a free lunch here.

                        This space for rent

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                        • Z ZurdoDev

                          CDP1802 wrote:

                          so that I can appear just as happy,

                          Now you're just proving my point. All I did was point out that you hate Microsoft and somehow you're trying to turn it into me being happy. Very telling. ;)

                          There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                          Lost User
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                          And I don't need to prove anything. You are right. Anyone with half a brain can think for himself and will not need my advice. Nor would he want yours for the same reason.

                          The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                          This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                          "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                          • L Lost User

                            And I don't need to prove anything. You are right. Anyone with half a brain can think for himself and will not need my advice. Nor would he want yours for the same reason.

                            The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                            This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                            "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                            ZurdoDev
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                            CDP1802 wrote:

                            Nor would he want yours for the same reason.

                            My advice was to simply not listen to your advice. Sorry, but that is good advice.

                            There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                              CDP1802 wrote:

                              Nor would he want yours for the same reason.

                              My advice was to simply not listen to your advice. Sorry, but that is good advice.

                              There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                              Lost User
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                              Yes, because you say so. As I said, anyone with half a brain...

                              The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                              This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                              "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                              • L Lost User

                                Ahhh, fanboi time again. I resent being called a hater, just because I have not yet abandoned all critical thinking and let some company herd me around with the other sheep. For a small fee, of course.

                                The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                                This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                                "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                                Mark_Wallace
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                                And note that not unconditionally loving absolutely everything that the US corporation in question does means that you're a "hater". Fanboi/wumao handbook rules: 0: The only defence is an immediate offence

                                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                • L Lost User

                                  Yes, because you say so. As I said, anyone with half a brain...

                                  The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                                  This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                                  "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                                  ZurdoDev
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                                  CDP1802 wrote:

                                  anyone with half a brain...

                                  Should be able to finish their sentence. ;P :-D

                                  There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                    CDP1802 wrote:

                                    anyone with half a brain...

                                    Should be able to finish their sentence. ;P :-D

                                    There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                    Lost User
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                                    I am, but anyone with half a brain would not need it.

                                    The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                                    This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                                    "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                                      I am, but anyone with half a brain would not need it.

                                      The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                                      This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                                      "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                                      ZurdoDev
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                                      CDP1802 wrote:

                                      anyone with half a brain would not need it.

                                      Need what? The other half of the sentence? I'm so confused. :confused:

                                      There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                      • P Pete OHanlon

                                        Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                                        1. Hosting - it is very cheap nowadays...

                                        Well, that really depends. Yes, you can get cheap hosting but getting hosting that supports failover, etc, is a massive headache and can rapidly escalate costs.

                                        Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                                        2. Payment processing - all you need is a PayPal (or similar) account, and you solved all the management/taxing problems

                                        I find that one a funny one. You'll be surprised how many businesses won't buy from you if your only payment option is PayPal, or perhaps you won't be surprised. Yes, if you're only dealing with B2C, you might be able to get away with this, but B2B then you are probably going to have to roll out a much more robust payment system.

                                        Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                                        3. Both can be solved in one place if you are using some cloud, like Amazon E3...

                                        I thought you were talking about cheap options. Cloud options can run up some very nasty costs, very quickly. There is no such thing as a free lunch here.

                                        This space for rent

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                                        Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                        I find that one a funny one. You'll be surprised how many businesses won't buy from you if your only payment option is PayPal, or perhaps you won't be surprised. Yes, if you're only dealing with B2C, you might be able to get away with this, but B2B then you are probably going to have to roll out a much more robust payment system.

                                        For that there's always Western Union: thousands of thriving businesses in far away places like Ukraine, Russia and even remote countries like Nigeria with unreliable internet have had no problem taking suckers getting money that way.

                                        Sin tack the any key okay

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                                        • P pasber

                                          I have designed a Desktop application (Winforms) for Windows. I have a web site for sale it, manage the licenses key, etc. What can the windows store give me more? Maybe somebody using it can give me the good and bad points? Regards

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                                          TonyManso
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                                          Getting more eyeballs to your product listing/site/etc. is almost never a bad thing. You just need to figure out what pain is required to get listed in the Windows Store, and then decide if it's worth the pain to get the extra eyeballs.

                                          On the other hand, you have different fingers. - Steven Wright

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