Windows Store: do I need it?
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You have some wrong points here: 1. Hosting - it is very cheap nowadays... 2. Payment processing - all you need is a PayPal (or similar) account, and you solved all the management/taxing problems 3. Both can be solved in one place if you are using some cloud, like Amazon E3... And from experience - getting the money from Microsoft doesn't solve you the problem of accusation from the bank about money laundry... You still will have to present a detailed billing list to prove you innocent...
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
1. Hosting - it is very cheap nowadays...
Well, that really depends. Yes, you can get cheap hosting but getting hosting that supports failover, etc, is a massive headache and can rapidly escalate costs.
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
2. Payment processing - all you need is a PayPal (or similar) account, and you solved all the management/taxing problems
I find that one a funny one. You'll be surprised how many businesses won't buy from you if your only payment option is PayPal, or perhaps you won't be surprised. Yes, if you're only dealing with B2C, you might be able to get away with this, but B2B then you are probably going to have to roll out a much more robust payment system.
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
3. Both can be solved in one place if you are using some cloud, like Amazon E3...
I thought you were talking about cheap options. Cloud options can run up some very nasty costs, very quickly. There is no such thing as a free lunch here.
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CDP1802 wrote:
so that I can appear just as happy,
Now you're just proving my point. All I did was point out that you hate Microsoft and somehow you're trying to turn it into me being happy. Very telling. ;)
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
And I don't need to prove anything. You are right. Anyone with half a brain can think for himself and will not need my advice. Nor would he want yours for the same reason.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
And I don't need to prove anything. You are right. Anyone with half a brain can think for himself and will not need my advice. Nor would he want yours for the same reason.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.CDP1802 wrote:
Nor would he want yours for the same reason.
My advice was to simply not listen to your advice. Sorry, but that is good advice.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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CDP1802 wrote:
Nor would he want yours for the same reason.
My advice was to simply not listen to your advice. Sorry, but that is good advice.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Yes, because you say so. As I said, anyone with half a brain...
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
Ahhh, fanboi time again. I resent being called a hater, just because I have not yet abandoned all critical thinking and let some company herd me around with the other sheep. For a small fee, of course.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.And note that not unconditionally loving absolutely everything that the US corporation in question does means that you're a "hater". Fanboi/wumao handbook rules: 0: The only defence is an immediate offence
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Yes, because you say so. As I said, anyone with half a brain...
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.CDP1802 wrote:
anyone with half a brain...
Should be able to finish their sentence. ;P :-D
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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CDP1802 wrote:
anyone with half a brain...
Should be able to finish their sentence. ;P :-D
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I am, but anyone with half a brain would not need it.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
I am, but anyone with half a brain would not need it.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.CDP1802 wrote:
anyone with half a brain would not need it.
Need what? The other half of the sentence? I'm so confused. :confused:
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
1. Hosting - it is very cheap nowadays...
Well, that really depends. Yes, you can get cheap hosting but getting hosting that supports failover, etc, is a massive headache and can rapidly escalate costs.
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
2. Payment processing - all you need is a PayPal (or similar) account, and you solved all the management/taxing problems
I find that one a funny one. You'll be surprised how many businesses won't buy from you if your only payment option is PayPal, or perhaps you won't be surprised. Yes, if you're only dealing with B2C, you might be able to get away with this, but B2B then you are probably going to have to roll out a much more robust payment system.
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
3. Both can be solved in one place if you are using some cloud, like Amazon E3...
I thought you were talking about cheap options. Cloud options can run up some very nasty costs, very quickly. There is no such thing as a free lunch here.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I find that one a funny one. You'll be surprised how many businesses won't buy from you if your only payment option is PayPal, or perhaps you won't be surprised. Yes, if you're only dealing with B2C, you might be able to get away with this, but B2B then you are probably going to have to roll out a much more robust payment system.
For that there's always Western Union: thousands of thriving businesses in far away places like Ukraine, Russia and even remote countries like Nigeria with unreliable internet have had no problem taking suckers getting money that way.
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I have designed a Desktop application (Winforms) for Windows. I have a web site for sale it, manage the licenses key, etc. What can the windows store give me more? Maybe somebody using it can give me the good and bad points? Regards
Getting more eyeballs to your product listing/site/etc. is almost never a bad thing. You just need to figure out what pain is required to get listed in the Windows Store, and then decide if it's worth the pain to get the extra eyeballs.
On the other hand, you have different fingers. - Steven Wright
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Okay, let's turn this on the head slightly. Right now, you have a web site that you sell it through. This means that you have to pay for infrastructure costs to host the software. You also have to manage the payment handling which, if you are selling in multiple countries, can be a legal nightmare because you should be managing things such as applying the right taxes, etc. This also means that your bank account may need to be vetted by banks to ensure that you aren't inadvertently supporting AML (money laundering). That's legal and jurisdictional hassle that you currently have to deal with. Moving this to the responsibility of the app store removes this headache from you.
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I think you hit the nail right on the head. Microsoft's "more eyeballs" argument has never been terribly convincing amongst developers (IMO), given the "success" of the store. But if they can make managing payment their problem, and not yours, then it's a *great* thing to get out of the way. Perhaps this is what Microsoft should emphasize when they try to pitch the store to developers.
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Getting more eyeballs to your product listing/site/etc. is almost never a bad thing. You just need to figure out what pain is required to get listed in the Windows Store, and then decide if it's worth the pain to get the extra eyeballs.
On the other hand, you have different fingers. - Steven Wright
Yes finally you have to be true. First I really must be stupid to ask the question in the first place. I think inside me I have already make the choice and I was searching some comfort to justify my choice. Thanks to all of you anyway. What I will do is to start with my own Web site and with Windows store at the same time. I promise you that if I do some sales I will give you the results in six months. Many Thanks to all.
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CDP1802 wrote:
anyone with half a brain would not need it.
Need what? The other half of the sentence? I'm so confused. :confused:
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
That escalated quickly.
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I have designed a Desktop application (Winforms) for Windows. I have a web site for sale it, manage the licenses key, etc. What can the windows store give me more? Maybe somebody using it can give me the good and bad points? Regards
The first question is, whether you move on to WPF. The next is, whether you move on to Universal Windows Platform (UWP). And then comes the Store question.
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The first question is, whether you move on to WPF. The next is, whether you move on to Universal Windows Platform (UWP). And then comes the Store question.
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I have designed a Desktop application (Winforms) for Windows. I have a web site for sale it, manage the licenses key, etc. What can the windows store give me more? Maybe somebody using it can give me the good and bad points? Regards
this isn't an either/or question; you can continue your online business AND get a store listing. There's a lot of support from Microsoft to help you join. You know about desktop converter already. The conversion isn't difficult, the only thorn is changing your registration code I did it some months ago, and although the sales aren't spectacular, they do exist. In the future Microsoft may force everybody to go on the store, if you believe the news I believe that to be successful in the Store, you must offer a free/very cheap version, and make money through in-app purchases. Mine is quite expensive for store terms Along the way you will find that many things are broken, it is very sad, but there could be an advantage for the future jumping on board early
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That escalated quickly.
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I have designed a Desktop application (Winforms) for Windows. I have a web site for sale it, manage the licenses key, etc. What can the windows store give me more? Maybe somebody using it can give me the good and bad points? Regards
Here are some cases where it might help: - Updates: it makes it easier for your customers to get updates for your app - Visibility: being a popular app in the store increases your chances of your app being recommended to - other users through the "Picks for you" or "Popular apps" categories on the store - Let's say you have a new feature to your new app and want to roll the update only to a few of your customers before releasing it to everyone. Windows store makes hat easier for you. - Notifications - Analytics/Crashes/Hangs are easily visible in your Dev Center - Easily distributing your app in multiple languages As stated, the downside is that 30% of the acquisitions made through your app go to Microsoft
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I have designed a Desktop application (Winforms) for Windows. I have a web site for sale it, manage the licenses key, etc. What can the windows store give me more? Maybe somebody using it can give me the good and bad points? Regards
If it ends up being sold in the Microsoft store, I'll never see it! In the first 2-3 years of the store I didn't find a single 'App' that I'd want to use so I just stopped looking. Most of my computer tech friends don't use the store either, they seem to see it as a waste land.
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I have designed a Desktop application (Winforms) for Windows. I have a web site for sale it, manage the licenses key, etc. What can the windows store give me more? Maybe somebody using it can give me the good and bad points? Regards
Cons: 1. Percentage of sales go to Microsoft. 2. Not sure if non-UWP apps can be sold via the store, but I think they can be distributed privately. 3. There are some other minimal requirements such as passing a certification test and providing several logos of various sizes, but these aren’t difficult and are actually beneficial. 4. You’re subject to potential restrictions on how you classify your application. 5. No support for Win7. Pros: 1. You don’t have to host a site and users don’t have to wonder if they can trust your site. 2. Once you successfully submit an app, updating it is extremely easy. 3. In most cases, updates are automatically downloaded by your users. 4. All financial transactions are handled for you. 5. Many analytics available via DevCenter (download stats, advertising performance, usage stats, crash logs, user reviews, ratings, feedback, etc.) 6. You can provide links to your app that directly open the Windows Store (which is most likely in the center of a user’s taskbar) right to your app. For me, the risk-free ease of hosting and distributing my apps is the best part. I had to embrace UWP, but its similarity to WinForms made it easier and now I have apps that run on and automatically scale to multiple Windows devices.
