I will believe in a compassionate humanity when
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Since when is a selfish reason invalid?
I meant invalid selfish reasons.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Your link is actually helping my argument. According to the summary of the research paper:
98.3% of abortions are elective
~32% : too young --- Unable to provide for child
~30% : economic --- Unable to provide for child
~16% : to avoid adjusting life --- Unable to give child attention it needs
~12% : mother single/in bad relationship --- Unable to give child safe environment
~4% : enough children already --- Lack of access to contraceptives or birth controlAll of these reasons add up to one conclusion: almost all abortions are performed because the environment that the child will grow up in will NOT provide it the best opportunities to succeed and that idea runs contrary to key societal beliefs.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Please tell me you have heard of adoption? :doh:
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Yes, do you know of how few families there are who are willing to adopt or how hard the process is or how little resources are dedicated to finding adoptive parents? Are you an adoptive parent?
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Yes, do you know of how few families there are who are willing to adopt or how hard the process is or how little resources are dedicated to finding adoptive parents? Are you an adoptive parent?
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
Foothill wrote:
do you know of how few families there are who are willing to adopt or how hard the process is or how little resources are dedicated to finding adoptive parents?
I can't speak for other countries but in the US it is VERY easy to adopt. If you adopt through your County not only is it free but they pay you money every month until the kids reaches 18. And if you adopt a minority child you get paid even more. And there are waiting lists to adopt.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Foothill wrote:
do you know of how few families there are who are willing to adopt or how hard the process is or how little resources are dedicated to finding adoptive parents?
I can't speak for other countries but in the US it is VERY easy to adopt. If you adopt through your County not only is it free but they pay you money every month until the kids reaches 18. And if you adopt a minority child you get paid even more. And there are waiting lists to adopt.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
You are confusing foster care with adoption. Foster care is where the state pays someone to look after the kids until adoptive parents are found. You are not paid to adopt, they become your child, just as if you birthed them, after the adoption is complete. The only benefit from adoption is you can claim them on your taxes. You didn't answer the other question, are you an adoptive parent?
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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You are confusing foster care with adoption. Foster care is where the state pays someone to look after the kids until adoptive parents are found. You are not paid to adopt, they become your child, just as if you birthed them, after the adoption is complete. The only benefit from adoption is you can claim them on your taxes. You didn't answer the other question, are you an adoptive parent?
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
Foothill wrote:
You are confusing foster care with adoption.
No, I am not. And no, I am not an adoptive parent, I am a foster parent, which is how I know what I'm talking about.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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But it's excellent, caring, holy behaviour to subvert others' grief to espouse your pet niggles, of course. What a saint you are.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
I rarely agree with you, but on this occasion Ryan has reached a low.
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Foothill wrote:
You are confusing foster care with adoption.
No, I am not. And no, I am not an adoptive parent, I am a foster parent, which is how I know what I'm talking about.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Perception is everything and it appears that your bias against abortion is because you benefit economically from getting paid to take care of children that others cannot. I don't know about your state but you don't get paid to adopt here. Once you adopt, the child becomes your legal responsibility until death and you are responsible for all of the child's expenses.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Perception is everything and it appears that your bias against abortion is because you benefit economically from getting paid to take care of children that others cannot. I don't know about your state but you don't get paid to adopt here. Once you adopt, the child becomes your legal responsibility until death and you are responsible for all of the child's expenses.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
Foothill wrote:
Perception is everything and it appears that your bias against abortion is because you benefit economically from getting paid to take care of children that others cannot.
:omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: One of the most ridiculous conclusions I have ever seen on the internet, period! :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
Foothill wrote:
but you don't get paid to adopt here
Which state?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
who happens to make some good points.
He might. But if ejaculation should not be named is one of his points then he does not know how to make a baby. :laugh:
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
There's a 53 year old woman who might disagree with you: Kelly Carlin[^]
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The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.
Stalin did nothing wrong wasn't wrong about that
harold aptroot wrote:
Stalin did nothing wrong wasn't wrong about that
That made I larf!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Why would you think that I am burying my head in the sand on this issue. Not to sound callous but I have arrived at my particular view through study and analysis, trying my best to leave emotion out of it. I agree that it is a problem but you can still find cause and effect at the root of it. While there are numerous different reasons to get an abortion, the one reason that stands out against all others is that the parent(s) cannot provide the best life for their child at the time, the life that our society dictates we should strive to provide, so they make that choice because (1) there was no affordable, accessible way to prevent the pregnancy and (2) there is no guarantee that good, adoptive parents will be found. In a no-win scenario, which choice do you make? BTW, I'm not advocating for abortion here. I'm advocating that we, as a society, should not be fighting tooth-and-nail to stop it but spending all that energy on making it unnecessary. That is, in my opinion, the only way to achieve a result were the most people benefit from the outcome.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
Foothill wrote:
I'm not advocating for abortion here. I'm advocating that we, as a society, should not be fighting tooth-and-nail to stop it but spending all that energy on making it unnecessary.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: Totally agree
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Foothill wrote:
Perception is everything and it appears that your bias against abortion is because you benefit economically from getting paid to take care of children that others cannot.
:omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: One of the most ridiculous conclusions I have ever seen on the internet, period! :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
Foothill wrote:
but you don't get paid to adopt here
Which state?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Not only "that" state, many countries in europe have the same "rules" My cousins are adopting parents: 1) It took over two years to get the permissions. 2) It took almost 1 year more to get the kid 3) They had to pick a foreign kid because of some idiotic rules / public officers 4) They don't get a sh1t of the government for having the kid (that other natural parents get, i.e. Tax benefits)
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Foothill wrote:
You are confusing foster care with adoption.
No, I am not. And no, I am not an adoptive parent, I am a foster parent, which is how I know what I'm talking about.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
I am not an adoptive parent, I am a foster parent,
Which is (if I have read correctly) what he said: Foster parents do get helps and have other status than adoptive / natural parents
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Not only "that" state, many countries in europe have the same "rules" My cousins are adopting parents: 1) It took over two years to get the permissions. 2) It took almost 1 year more to get the kid 3) They had to pick a foreign kid because of some idiotic rules / public officers 4) They don't get a sh1t of the government for having the kid (that other natural parents get, i.e. Tax benefits)
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
Not only "that" state,
Notice that when I pressured him he did not answer so I still do not believe that it is true.
Nelek wrote:
europe have the same "rules"
OK. That sucks for Europe.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote:
I am not an adoptive parent, I am a foster parent,
Which is (if I have read correctly) what he said: Foster parents do get helps and have other status than adoptive / natural parents
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Nelek wrote:
Which is (if I have read correctly) what he said: Foster parents do get helps and have other status than adoptive / natural parents
Yes, and if you read my response, he is wrong. :doh:
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Nelek wrote:
Not only "that" state,
Notice that when I pressured him he did not answer so I still do not believe that it is true.
Nelek wrote:
europe have the same "rules"
OK. That sucks for Europe.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
That sucks for Europe.
Yes, it does
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Nelek wrote:
Which is (if I have read correctly) what he said: Foster parents do get helps and have other status than adoptive / natural parents
Yes, and if you read my response, he is wrong. :doh:
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Aren't you getting help for hosting kids?
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Aren't you getting help for hosting kids?
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Not really. Yes, you get some money but it's not enough to cover everything. Fostering is not a way to make money. Yes, I've seen examples where it has happened but I'm not sure how they did it. Pretty sure feeding them Ramen everyday is part of how you do it, if they are fed at all. And, as I already pointed out, that you seem to be missing, when you adopt they pay you every month until the kid turns 18. I don't know how much it is compared to when you foster. They also get free healthcare and free tuition for college (at least in Georgia, not sure about other states.)
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Not really. Yes, you get some money but it's not enough to cover everything. Fostering is not a way to make money. Yes, I've seen examples where it has happened but I'm not sure how they did it. Pretty sure feeding them Ramen everyday is part of how you do it, if they are fed at all. And, as I already pointed out, that you seem to be missing, when you adopt they pay you every month until the kid turns 18. I don't know how much it is compared to when you foster. They also get free healthcare and free tuition for college (at least in Georgia, not sure about other states.)
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
Fostering is not a way to make money.
Anyone who's doing it just to make money probably shouldn't be allowed to foster. :)
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