I will believe in a compassionate humanity when
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Foothill wrote:
Until society can make abortion unnecessary
Besides MAYBE rape, incest, or health issues, when is it necessary?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Ask yourself this, which is worse: to be born into a world of poverty and crime where your parents cannot afford you and quite possibly view you as a burden, where the opportunities to succeed in life are basically nil or to never be born at all. I may not like abortion but if you weight it against a life-time of hardship just for being born, you can begin to understand the reason for making that choice. Ending the practice of abortion through force will end in a great many children being born that grow into a life of crime and poverty, further perpetuating the cycle. The only way to stop abortions from being performed is to either end poverty (pipe-dream) or provide pregnancy prevention and a vast support network that is all-to-willing to welcome that child into their family and raise them in better surroundings with a lot more life opportunity. Until society as a whole realizes this truth, it's going to keep fighting a battle it can never win.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Ask yourself this, which is worse: to be born into a world of poverty and crime where your parents cannot afford you and quite possibly view you as a burden, where the opportunities to succeed in life are basically nil or to never be born at all. I may not like abortion but if you weight it against a life-time of hardship just for being born, you can begin to understand the reason for making that choice. Ending the practice of abortion through force will end in a great many children being born that grow into a life of crime and poverty, further perpetuating the cycle. The only way to stop abortions from being performed is to either end poverty (pipe-dream) or provide pregnancy prevention and a vast support network that is all-to-willing to welcome that child into their family and raise them in better surroundings with a lot more life opportunity. Until society as a whole realizes this truth, it's going to keep fighting a battle it can never win.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
You're still allowing a terrible thing for the small percentage of reasons. It's called burying your head in the sand because you don't want to deal with the bigger issue.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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You're still allowing a terrible thing for the small percentage of reasons. It's called burying your head in the sand because you don't want to deal with the bigger issue.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Why would you think that I am burying my head in the sand on this issue. Not to sound callous but I have arrived at my particular view through study and analysis, trying my best to leave emotion out of it. I agree that it is a problem but you can still find cause and effect at the root of it. While there are numerous different reasons to get an abortion, the one reason that stands out against all others is that the parent(s) cannot provide the best life for their child at the time, the life that our society dictates we should strive to provide, so they make that choice because (1) there was no affordable, accessible way to prevent the pregnancy and (2) there is no guarantee that good, adoptive parents will be found. In a no-win scenario, which choice do you make? BTW, I'm not advocating for abortion here. I'm advocating that we, as a society, should not be fighting tooth-and-nail to stop it but spending all that energy on making it unnecessary. That is, in my opinion, the only way to achieve a result were the most people benefit from the outcome.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Why would you think that I am burying my head in the sand on this issue. Not to sound callous but I have arrived at my particular view through study and analysis, trying my best to leave emotion out of it. I agree that it is a problem but you can still find cause and effect at the root of it. While there are numerous different reasons to get an abortion, the one reason that stands out against all others is that the parent(s) cannot provide the best life for their child at the time, the life that our society dictates we should strive to provide, so they make that choice because (1) there was no affordable, accessible way to prevent the pregnancy and (2) there is no guarantee that good, adoptive parents will be found. In a no-win scenario, which choice do you make? BTW, I'm not advocating for abortion here. I'm advocating that we, as a society, should not be fighting tooth-and-nail to stop it but spending all that energy on making it unnecessary. That is, in my opinion, the only way to achieve a result were the most people benefit from the outcome.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
Foothill wrote:
Why would you think that I am burying my head in the sand on this issue.
Because, as I said, the major reasons for abortion or selfish ones, Reasons given for having abortions in the United States[^], not valid ones.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Foothill wrote:
Why would you think that I am burying my head in the sand on this issue.
Because, as I said, the major reasons for abortion or selfish ones, Reasons given for having abortions in the United States[^], not valid ones.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Foothill wrote:
Why would you think that I am burying my head in the sand on this issue.
Because, as I said, the major reasons for abortion or selfish ones, Reasons given for having abortions in the United States[^], not valid ones.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Your link is actually helping my argument. According to the summary of the research paper:
98.3% of abortions are elective
~32% : too young --- Unable to provide for child
~30% : economic --- Unable to provide for child
~16% : to avoid adjusting life --- Unable to give child attention it needs
~12% : mother single/in bad relationship --- Unable to give child safe environment
~4% : enough children already --- Lack of access to contraceptives or birth controlAll of these reasons add up to one conclusion: almost all abortions are performed because the environment that the child will grow up in will NOT provide it the best opportunities to succeed and that idea runs contrary to key societal beliefs.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Since a bunch of men decided that they were the only ones who had the right to decide what women can and cannot do with their own bodies. :rolleyes:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Since when is a selfish reason invalid?
I meant invalid selfish reasons.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Your link is actually helping my argument. According to the summary of the research paper:
98.3% of abortions are elective
~32% : too young --- Unable to provide for child
~30% : economic --- Unable to provide for child
~16% : to avoid adjusting life --- Unable to give child attention it needs
~12% : mother single/in bad relationship --- Unable to give child safe environment
~4% : enough children already --- Lack of access to contraceptives or birth controlAll of these reasons add up to one conclusion: almost all abortions are performed because the environment that the child will grow up in will NOT provide it the best opportunities to succeed and that idea runs contrary to key societal beliefs.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Please tell me you have heard of adoption? :doh:
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Yes, do you know of how few families there are who are willing to adopt or how hard the process is or how little resources are dedicated to finding adoptive parents? Are you an adoptive parent?
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Yes, do you know of how few families there are who are willing to adopt or how hard the process is or how little resources are dedicated to finding adoptive parents? Are you an adoptive parent?
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
Foothill wrote:
do you know of how few families there are who are willing to adopt or how hard the process is or how little resources are dedicated to finding adoptive parents?
I can't speak for other countries but in the US it is VERY easy to adopt. If you adopt through your County not only is it free but they pay you money every month until the kids reaches 18. And if you adopt a minority child you get paid even more. And there are waiting lists to adopt.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Foothill wrote:
do you know of how few families there are who are willing to adopt or how hard the process is or how little resources are dedicated to finding adoptive parents?
I can't speak for other countries but in the US it is VERY easy to adopt. If you adopt through your County not only is it free but they pay you money every month until the kids reaches 18. And if you adopt a minority child you get paid even more. And there are waiting lists to adopt.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
You are confusing foster care with adoption. Foster care is where the state pays someone to look after the kids until adoptive parents are found. You are not paid to adopt, they become your child, just as if you birthed them, after the adoption is complete. The only benefit from adoption is you can claim them on your taxes. You didn't answer the other question, are you an adoptive parent?
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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You are confusing foster care with adoption. Foster care is where the state pays someone to look after the kids until adoptive parents are found. You are not paid to adopt, they become your child, just as if you birthed them, after the adoption is complete. The only benefit from adoption is you can claim them on your taxes. You didn't answer the other question, are you an adoptive parent?
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
Foothill wrote:
You are confusing foster care with adoption.
No, I am not. And no, I am not an adoptive parent, I am a foster parent, which is how I know what I'm talking about.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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But it's excellent, caring, holy behaviour to subvert others' grief to espouse your pet niggles, of course. What a saint you are.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
I rarely agree with you, but on this occasion Ryan has reached a low.
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Foothill wrote:
You are confusing foster care with adoption.
No, I am not. And no, I am not an adoptive parent, I am a foster parent, which is how I know what I'm talking about.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Perception is everything and it appears that your bias against abortion is because you benefit economically from getting paid to take care of children that others cannot. I don't know about your state but you don't get paid to adopt here. Once you adopt, the child becomes your legal responsibility until death and you are responsible for all of the child's expenses.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Perception is everything and it appears that your bias against abortion is because you benefit economically from getting paid to take care of children that others cannot. I don't know about your state but you don't get paid to adopt here. Once you adopt, the child becomes your legal responsibility until death and you are responsible for all of the child's expenses.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
Foothill wrote:
Perception is everything and it appears that your bias against abortion is because you benefit economically from getting paid to take care of children that others cannot.
:omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: One of the most ridiculous conclusions I have ever seen on the internet, period! :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
Foothill wrote:
but you don't get paid to adopt here
Which state?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
who happens to make some good points.
He might. But if ejaculation should not be named is one of his points then he does not know how to make a baby. :laugh:
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
There's a 53 year old woman who might disagree with you: Kelly Carlin[^]
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The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.
Stalin did nothing wrong wasn't wrong about that
harold aptroot wrote:
Stalin did nothing wrong wasn't wrong about that
That made I larf!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Why would you think that I am burying my head in the sand on this issue. Not to sound callous but I have arrived at my particular view through study and analysis, trying my best to leave emotion out of it. I agree that it is a problem but you can still find cause and effect at the root of it. While there are numerous different reasons to get an abortion, the one reason that stands out against all others is that the parent(s) cannot provide the best life for their child at the time, the life that our society dictates we should strive to provide, so they make that choice because (1) there was no affordable, accessible way to prevent the pregnancy and (2) there is no guarantee that good, adoptive parents will be found. In a no-win scenario, which choice do you make? BTW, I'm not advocating for abortion here. I'm advocating that we, as a society, should not be fighting tooth-and-nail to stop it but spending all that energy on making it unnecessary. That is, in my opinion, the only way to achieve a result were the most people benefit from the outcome.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
Foothill wrote:
I'm not advocating for abortion here. I'm advocating that we, as a society, should not be fighting tooth-and-nail to stop it but spending all that energy on making it unnecessary.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: Totally agree
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Foothill wrote:
Perception is everything and it appears that your bias against abortion is because you benefit economically from getting paid to take care of children that others cannot.
:omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: One of the most ridiculous conclusions I have ever seen on the internet, period! :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
Foothill wrote:
but you don't get paid to adopt here
Which state?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Not only "that" state, many countries in europe have the same "rules" My cousins are adopting parents: 1) It took over two years to get the permissions. 2) It took almost 1 year more to get the kid 3) They had to pick a foreign kid because of some idiotic rules / public officers 4) They don't get a sh1t of the government for having the kid (that other natural parents get, i.e. Tax benefits)
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
