BA offshored 700 IT jobs last year..
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The problem with companies like BA who think it's a great idea to go offshore is not so much the quality they get off-shore, but the quality of their management. Start firing managers top down! :mad:
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Good point. Offshore not only managers, but CEOs and directors. :)
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You know that, I know that. But the people who make the decision and evaluate the tenders are accountants. People who know the cost of everything, and the value of nothing. :sigh:
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It is penny pinching. I think it was Leggo who recently reshored the production of platics due to the lower pound making the financial difference less interesting, allied to the far higher quality achieved. Quality is a big part of any product, and the race to the bottom results in quite frankly, shit.
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Kabaam! 2 days of complete screw up costing god knows how many millions in compensation. Offshoring, it is not worth it. The quality goes through the floor.
I always wonder why they not are hiring the senior managment from these offshore markets. I bet these managers would be really cheaper and not worser than the actual managment. BTW: flipping a coin isnt the worst decision process. :~
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It is penny pinching. I think it was Leggo who recently reshored the production of platics due to the lower pound making the financial difference less interesting, allied to the far higher quality achieved. Quality is a big part of any product, and the race to the bottom results in quite frankly, shit.
And some things you can't buy: a good reputation for example. You can throw it away very easily though.
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And some things you can't buy: a good reputation for example. You can throw it away very easily though.
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British Airways! Hispano-Indian airways more like!
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And some things you can't buy: a good reputation for example. You can throw it away very easily though.
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Kabaam! 2 days of complete screw up costing god knows how many millions in compensation. Offshoring, it is not worth it. The quality goes through the floor.
Can't say much but will be going 'there' to try and fix it. It is not the people 'there' themselves that are to blame, they can do it and are of good intent.
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Kabaam! 2 days of complete screw up costing god knows how many millions in compensation. Offshoring, it is not worth it. The quality goes through the floor.
So it's been confirmed BA's weekend fiasco was caused by an offshore IT team? :) /ravi
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I always wonder why they not are hiring the senior managment from these offshore markets. I bet these managers would be really cheaper and not worser than the actual managment. BTW: flipping a coin isnt the worst decision process. :~
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KarstenK wrote:
flipping a coin isnt the worst decision process.
well, only 50% of the time. (given a fair coin, of course) ;P
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Kabaam! 2 days of complete screw up costing god knows how many millions in compensation. Offshoring, it is not worth it. The quality goes through the floor.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Offshoring, it is not worth it. The quality goes through the floor.
It's never been a good idea and this simply highlights that. My experience with offshoring is that it starts cheap and gets expensive. To paraphrase Red Adair, "If you think it's expensive to hire local talent, wait till you offshore..."
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Kabaam! 2 days of complete screw up costing god knows how many millions in compensation. Offshoring, it is not worth it. The quality goes through the floor.
I read somewhere that the problem began with a faulty power supply. Not that that was reliable information. And seriously, a power supply? To what, the Internet? Marc
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I always wonder why they not are hiring the senior managment from these offshore markets. I bet these managers would be really cheaper and not worser than the actual managment. BTW: flipping a coin isnt the worst decision process. :~
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MicroSoft (Sathya Nadella), Google (Sundar Pichai), etc., have hired offshore talent for management. So have several US and European banks. It is time that BA fired its chairman and hired someone out of India! :laugh:
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So it's been confirmed BA's weekend fiasco was caused by an offshore IT team? :) /ravi
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No, but uncle Matt from Nebrohoma read on the interwebz that BA offshored their work two years ago, and that's all he needs to know.
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No, but uncle Matt from Nebrohoma read on the interwebz that BA offshored their work two years ago, and that's all he needs to know.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
No, but uncle Matt from Nebrohoma read on the interwebz that BA offshored their work two years ago, and that's all he needs to know.
Bloody Indians, coming over here and taking our jobs.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
No, but uncle Matt from Nebrohoma read on the interwebz that BA offshored their work two years ago, and that's all he needs to know.
Bloody Indians, coming over here and taking our jobs.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
:)
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Kabaam! 2 days of complete screw up costing god knows how many millions in compensation. Offshoring, it is not worth it. The quality goes through the floor.
Fight Club already explained this.. :laugh:
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A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
British Airways, same thing.. if the cost of this is less than the cost of having IT based in the UK, then they're still winning.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Fight Club already explained this.. :laugh:
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A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
British Airways, same thing.. if the cost of this is less than the cost of having IT based in the UK, then they're still winning.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
150 million it is costing them so far. Lets say they saved 20K a year for those 700 jobs, that is only 14 million.
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150 million it is costing them so far. Lets say they saved 20K a year for those 700 jobs, that is only 14 million.
That's what insurance is for :laugh:
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Offshoring, it is not worth it. The quality goes through the floor.
It's never been a good idea and this simply highlights that. My experience with offshoring is that it starts cheap and gets expensive. To paraphrase Red Adair, "If you think it's expensive to hire local talent, wait till you offshore..."
You wouldnt believe the crap I have seen coming from an offshore team. It was a driver. They had absoloutely no idea what they were doing, and cobbled together two code samples from the WDK. It was as unstable as shit. Had as many variants as there were products (i was that closely coupled to the hardware). Their git layout was a mess, their testing was ineffective, and their understanding of the technical domain and tools almost zero. And a big, I mean massive, global company relied on them for this driver. Needless to say that I, as a contractor, though expensive, was much cheaper than an entire office offshore, staffed by at least 6 to 10 people, and produced, in a few months, a better driver. After the dev cycle was complete it was handed over to this offshore team to maintain! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: What a dumbass decision. Oh well, it is their loss.
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150 million it is costing them so far. Lets say they saved 20K a year for those 700 jobs, that is only 14 million.
Per year and someone mentioned 2 year ago so 28mil and they will have some sort of insurance coverage to mitigate the cost so they probably still see it as viable. Assuming of course it was a software problem and not a power supply.
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