VB haters, look away
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The improvements on J++ were the reason for abandoning J++. Did they not put Microsoft before the choice of removing them or else losing the license for J++?
It looks like it was more of a legal thing with Sun.. from 2002, [Sun, Microsoft settle Java suit - CNET](https://www.cnet.com/uk/news/sun-microsoft-settle-java-suit/)
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A Microsoft representative said the dispute lingered for too long. "We don't think anyone wins, but considering the lawsuit has been ongoing for three years, this is a good conclusion to this controversy," said Microsoft spokesman Jim Cullinan. With the deal struck, Cullinan said Microsoft will be allowed to continue to offer its existing Java products, including its popular J++ development tool, for the next seven years. Microsoft product manager Tony Goodhew said the company will include J++ as a separate CD with the next version of Visual Studio.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Thems fightin' words...
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Arrays start at 1 - just like when counting your fingers. C# (C, C++...) messed up, who counts anything from zero? It's unnatural, zero simply does not exist.
Sin tack the any key okay
Arrays in BASIC have always begun at zero... Though not many practitioners are smart enough to realize it.
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Arrays start at 1 - just like when counting your fingers. C# (C, C++...) messed up, who counts anything from zero? It's unnatural, zero simply does not exist.
Sin tack the any key okay
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Funny, C# was modeled mostly after Java and C++, but no one ever mentions the Java part.
Well - maybe because: what was Java modeled after ?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
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I'm reading a C# book that was recommended on here recently and found this gem in the beginning.
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The truth of the matter is that many of C#’s syntactic constructs are modeled after various aspects of Visual Basic (VB) and C++. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3123-3124). Apress. Kindle Edition.
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There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Perhaps Delphi should be mentioned here ... [Anders Hejlsberg - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders\_Hejlsberg) Regards,
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Arrays start at 1 - just like when counting your fingers. C# (C, C++...) messed up, who counts anything from zero? It's unnatural, zero simply does not exist.
Sin tack the any key okay
Lopatir wrote:
zero simply does not exist.
0 - Wikipedia[^] Zero is a number and makes perfect sense to use it as an index in a collection/array.
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Perhaps Delphi should be mentioned here ... [Anders Hejlsberg - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders\_Hejlsberg) Regards,
Now we must talk about the Oracle at Delphi. Sheesh.... :)
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I'm reading a C# book that was recommended on here recently and found this gem in the beginning.
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The truth of the matter is that many of C#’s syntactic constructs are modeled after various aspects of Visual Basic (VB) and C++. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3123-3124). Apress. Kindle Edition.
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There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Hear, hear !
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I'm reading a C# book that was recommended on here recently and found this gem in the beginning.
Quote:
The truth of the matter is that many of C#’s syntactic constructs are modeled after various aspects of Visual Basic (VB) and C++. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3123-3124). Apress. Kindle Edition.
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There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Was happy that they finally updated the switch in C# to have be as flexible as the Visual Basic Select Case. Waited a long time for that one.
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Funny, C# was modeled mostly after Java and C++, but no one ever mentions the Java part.
Well, Java was based off C++ so there's that too.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
VB7 runtime, known as .NET.
Sorry, I can't find anything to support this statement. Care to share a link or two. Thanks.
No, I don't care :) There was this quote saying "we needed another curly braces language" at the introduction of C#, which coincided with the release of the renamed VB7. VB6 already introduced compiling to P-code, a runtime/framework that needed be installed. Also take into account that C# code can be automatically translated (search & replace-kind of simple) to VB. C# is nothing more than a cleaned up VB6.
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Funny, C# was modeled mostly after Java and C++, but no one ever mentions the Java part.
Agreed. I heard through the grapevine that MS even hired some top Java guys to help design C#. Never heard of the VB thing. Methinks its the author's wishful thinking.
Jeremy Falcon
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Sure, but even C# 1.0 took some things further than Java did at that time.
Yeah, but the point is, it was based on Java. Way more than VB. I think that book author is just biased. I don't have citations, but I always heard that even MS hired some top Java guys to help with the initial design of C#. As much as we love to hate Java, we still have it thank for what we use.
Jeremy Falcon
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Not a citation, but... When I first read the C# spec in 1999, someone asked me, "isn't that just Microsoft Java?"
It was. I think the book author is misinformed. Unfortunately people assume that just because something is printed its always correct.
Jeremy Falcon
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I'm reading a C# book that was recommended on here recently and found this gem in the beginning.
Quote:
The truth of the matter is that many of C#’s syntactic constructs are modeled after various aspects of Visual Basic (VB) and C++. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3123-3124). Apress. Kindle Edition.
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There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Anders Hejlsberg came from Borland/Delphi/Pascal to Microsoft to develop C#. The idea was to sunk Delphi, the only real competitor in the RAD arena. Well, they almost did.
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Slacker007 wrote:
C# was modeled mostly after Java and C++
Says you. :-D Here is another quote from a few pages later:
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Because C# is a hybrid of numerous languages, the result is a product that is as syntactically clean (if not cleaner) as Java, is about as simple as VB, and provides just about as much power and flexibility as C + +. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3129-3131). Apress. Kindle Edition.
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For example, like VB, C# supports the notion of class properties (as opposed to traditional getter and setter methods) and optional parameters. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3124-3125). Apress. Kindle Edition.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I don't think the book author is properly informed. Just because its printed material doesn't make it accurate. C# has a lot of Java roots.[^]
Jeremy Falcon
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Having properties doesn't mean anything. Other languages have properties. Doesn't mean they're the basis for some other language
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
Unfortunately, people assume that just because something is printed it's truth. I don't think the book author was properly informed or else we're just not hearing the whole story from the book. C# has more Java roots than VB roots.
Jeremy Falcon
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Perhaps Delphi should be mentioned here ... [Anders Hejlsberg - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders\_Hejlsberg) Regards,
I just mentioned that, before reading your post.
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Lopatir wrote:
zero simply does not exist.
0 - Wikipedia[^] Zero is a number and makes perfect sense to use it as an index in a collection/array.
Slacker007 wrote:
makes perfect sense to use it as an index in offset into a collection/array
FTFY