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  • J Jeremy Falcon

    RyanDev wrote:

    No, but I think some of you are hastily reading the message.

    It's how we roll up in this joint. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

    Jeremy Falcon

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    ZurdoDev
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    Indeed. :thumbsup:

    There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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    • Z ZurdoDev

      I'm reading a C# book that was recommended on here recently and found this gem in the beginning.

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      The truth of the matter is that many of C#’s syntactic constructs are modeled after various aspects of Visual Basic (VB) and C++. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3123-3124). Apress. Kindle Edition.

      :-\

      There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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      KarstenK
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      I rescued a VB 6.0 book from the garbage to enlight myself in the depth of this "zombie language" :suss:

      Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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      • Z ZurdoDev

        I'm reading a C# book that was recommended on here recently and found this gem in the beginning.

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        The truth of the matter is that many of C#’s syntactic constructs are modeled after various aspects of Visual Basic (VB) and C++. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3123-3124). Apress. Kindle Edition.

        :-\

        There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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        theoldfool
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        VB Love is easily cured. In fact, it usually passes shortly after puberty. :cool:

        Arguing with a woman is like reading the Software License Agreement. In the end, you ignore everything and click "I agree". Anonymous

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        • Z ZurdoDev

          I'm reading a C# book that was recommended on here recently and found this gem in the beginning.

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          The truth of the matter is that many of C#’s syntactic constructs are modeled after various aspects of Visual Basic (VB) and C++. TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3123-3124). Apress. Kindle Edition.

          :-\

          There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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          RedDk
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          Ok. Lemme gat back to you in two six 62.5 hours. Right. (Click) [chirp chirp chirp chirp ...] [edit] (Sorry, miscalculation) (bigger miscalculation (calculator in HEX mode)) [end edit]

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          • P PIEBALDconsult

            I disagree.

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            Rainbird Developer
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            Well your certainly have the right to not use the new features. How about something about why you do not like the changes to the switch statement.

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            • T theoldfool

              VB Love is easily cured. In fact, it usually passes shortly after puberty. :cool:

              Arguing with a woman is like reading the Software License Agreement. In the end, you ignore everything and click "I agree". Anonymous

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              dandy72
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              If only. Unfortunately, for some people, it's a life-long affliction.

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              • C CodeWraith

                Indexing != counting, no discussion there. I assume that BASIC interpreters and compilers automatically adjusted the index. especially in the days of 8 bit computers they had no memory to waste.

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                PIEBALDconsult
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                Have you read the original 1964 spec of BASIC?

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                • C CodeWraith

                  They are not the same thing, but I still don't like them at all. I prefer code that's readable without the help of costly tools like Visual Studio or Intellisense.

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                  PIEBALDconsult
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                  Hear hear!

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                  • S Slacker007

                    Now we must talk about the Oracle at Delphi. Sheesh.... :)

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                    PIEBALDconsult
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                    I'm just glad Delphi wasn't at (from) Oracle.

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                    • C CodeWraith

                      They are not the same thing, but I still don't like them at all. I prefer code that's readable without the help of costly tools like Visual Studio or Intellisense.

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                      costly tools like Visual Studio or Intellisense.

                      I use the community edition of VS 2015 at home for free and it has intellisense built it for free. Did I mention it was free? Not costly at all.

                      - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                      • P PIEBALDconsult

                        Have you read the original 1964 spec of BASIC?

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                        CodeWraith
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                        Was there a formal spec back then or has it been written afterwards as for most languages of that time?

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                        • C Chris Losinger

                          CodeWraith wrote:

                          Variants, anybody?

                          they're called "var", in C#

                          image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                          Richard Deeming
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                          No, they're called dynamic in C#. ;P Using var, your variable is still strongly-typed; you're just letting the compiler work out what that type is.


                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                            costly tools like Visual Studio or Intellisense.

                            I use the community edition of VS 2015 at home for free and it has intellisense built it for free. Did I mention it was free? Not costly at all.

                            - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                            CodeWraith
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                            Don't call Rome just yet. The Microsofties may all be absolutely selfless may have performed enough miracles, but they have to be dead to be made saints by the Pope. Personally, I have already moved on and would not want to invest any time or money in Microsoft anymore. There are far more interesting things to do than keeping up with their escapades.

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                            • C CodeWraith

                              Was there a formal spec back then or has it been written afterwards as for most languages of that time?

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                              PIEBALDconsult
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                              http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dartmouth/BASIC_Oct64.pdf[^]

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                                [Visual J++ - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual\_J%2B%2B)

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                                Microsoft later developed the C# ("C Sharp") language as the primary language for the .NET platform, which was in many ways influenced by Java; subsequently the .NET Framework shares many ideas in common with Java. Much like Java, C# is compiled to a type of bytecode (called CIL), and runs on top of a virtual machine called the Common Language Runtime in .NET. Visual Studio 2005 was the last release to include J#.

                                Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.

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                                Lost User
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                                Brent Jenkins wrote:

                                Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.

                                Right turn Clyde.

                                Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                                • P peterkmx

                                  Perhaps Delphi should be mentioned here ... [Anders Hejlsberg - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders\_Hejlsberg) Regards,

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                                  GenJerDan
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                                  Yeah. I was wondering what Anders would say about VB being C#'s progenitor.

                                  We won't sit down. We won't shut up. We won't go quietly away. YouTube and My Mu[sic], Films and Windows Programs, etc.

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                                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                                    http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dartmouth/BASIC_Oct64.pdf[^]

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                                    CodeWraith
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                                    There we go. The index values range from 0 to (n-1), as they should. Now at which point did they start with 1? Every early home computer had a BASIC interpreter in a ROM, which in most cases was a customized Microsoft BASIC. Atari developed the BASIC from scratch, and was zero based. Look here.[^] It has been some time since I used that manual, but I should still have it somewhere. :-)

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                                    • L Lost User

                                      Arrays start at 1 - just like when counting your fingers. C# (C, C++...) messed up, who counts anything from zero? It's unnatural, zero simply does not exist.

                                      Sin tack the any key okay

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                                      BillWoodruff
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                                      I would tell you what the zeroth. finger is, but, I don't think you are ready, yet.

                                      «Differences between Big-Endians, who broke eggs at the larger end, and Little-Endians gave rise to six rebellions: one Emperor lost his life, another his crown. The Lilliputian religion says an egg should be broken on the convenient end, which is now interpreted by the Lilliputians as the smaller end. Big-Endians gained favor in Blefuscu.» J. Swift, 'Gulliver's Travels,' 1726CE

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                                        Perhaps Delphi should be mentioned here ... [Anders Hejlsberg - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders\_Hejlsberg) Regards,

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                                        BillWoodruff
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                                        Applause ! Finally Delphi is mentioned. And, can we not give Anders, Mads, Eric L., Eric T., and others, some credit for bring geniuses who created something remarkable ?

                                        «Differences between Big-Endians, who broke eggs at the larger end, and Little-Endians gave rise to six rebellions: one Emperor lost his life, another his crown. The Lilliputian religion says an egg should be broken on the convenient end, which is now interpreted by the Lilliputians as the smaller end. Big-Endians gained favor in Blefuscu.» J. Swift, 'Gulliver's Travels,' 1726CE

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                                        • C Clifford Nelson

                                          Was happy that they finally updated the switch in C# to have be as flexible as the Visual Basic Select Case. Waited a long time for that one.

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                                          BillWoodruff
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                                          One of the "beauties" of the stock C# switch statement was that using integer case qualifiers it compiled to a mean and lean jump-table in CIL. I assume it still does; have yet to see any performance comparisons of use of the new features and other techniques for switch-a-roo. I like the new features.

                                          «Differences between Big-Endians, who broke eggs at the larger end, and Little-Endians gave rise to six rebellions: one Emperor lost his life, another his crown. The Lilliputian religion says an egg should be broken on the convenient end, which is now interpreted by the Lilliputians as the smaller end. Big-Endians gained favor in Blefuscu.» J. Swift, 'Gulliver's Travels,' 1726CE

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