Why is Javascript still a thing?
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I have to completely agree with Balboos with one minor addition: If you are frustrated by JS it's because you're trying to treat it like C#/Java. It's not the same thing, it doesn't work in the same way, and it's like being mad at a spoon for not being a fork.
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Recently, I spent around day trying to find out why something was not working the way it was supposed to. And what did I found out? Nothing! Really, debugging JS code in a browser is one of the worst things about web development. So I begin to wonder, why is this mess still around? :(( Admit it, javascript has a very flawed design. The only reason we still use it, is because we have no other choice. Really if people had the choice of using a friendlier language like C# or Java, javascript would have been in the dumpster by now. I never liked a thing about Javascript and I do not think I ever will. It is crippled. Back to work I guess. And guess what, it is Javascript again. :mad: :((
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GKP1992 wrote:
debugging JS code in a browser is one of the worst things about web development.
It isn't that hard once you learn how things work, in my opinion. I don't see it's problems any bigger than any other language. It works really well for what it does.
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You can't become a CodeWraith until they have drained every bit of enthusiasm and interest from you. JavaScript (or being threatened with having to work with it) makes flipping burgers not so bad a carreer choice after all.
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Recently, I spent around day trying to find out why something was not working the way it was supposed to. And what did I found out? Nothing! Really, debugging JS code in a browser is one of the worst things about web development. So I begin to wonder, why is this mess still around? :(( Admit it, javascript has a very flawed design. The only reason we still use it, is because we have no other choice. Really if people had the choice of using a friendlier language like C# or Java, javascript would have been in the dumpster by now. I never liked a thing about Javascript and I do not think I ever will. It is crippled. Back to work I guess. And guess what, it is Javascript again. :mad: :((
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock. In fact, I hate knocking. Just barge in will'Ya?
Actually, I'm rather impressed with the debugging ability in the browser. Granted, a large monitor really helps. ;) Marc
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Recently, I spent around day trying to find out why something was not working the way it was supposed to. And what did I found out? Nothing! Really, debugging JS code in a browser is one of the worst things about web development. So I begin to wonder, why is this mess still around? :(( Admit it, javascript has a very flawed design. The only reason we still use it, is because we have no other choice. Really if people had the choice of using a friendlier language like C# or Java, javascript would have been in the dumpster by now. I never liked a thing about Javascript and I do not think I ever will. It is crippled. Back to work I guess. And guess what, it is Javascript again. :mad: :((
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock. In fact, I hate knocking. Just barge in will'Ya?
I used to hate JavaScript for probably the same reasons you do. However, I've come to see some of its beauty. Then I ran into some issues in C# and thought to myself "this would be easy in JavaScript." Today, JavaScript is just another tool in the toolbox and, even server side, not my last choice. There are things I don't like about it, but there are certainly also things I DO like about it. And the best part is that it's getting better.
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Recently, I spent around day trying to find out why something was not working the way it was supposed to. And what did I found out? Nothing! Really, debugging JS code in a browser is one of the worst things about web development. So I begin to wonder, why is this mess still around? :(( Admit it, javascript has a very flawed design. The only reason we still use it, is because we have no other choice. Really if people had the choice of using a friendlier language like C# or Java, javascript would have been in the dumpster by now. I never liked a thing about Javascript and I do not think I ever will. It is crippled. Back to work I guess. And guess what, it is Javascript again. :mad: :((
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock. In fact, I hate knocking. Just barge in will'Ya?
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Recently, I spent around day trying to find out why something was not working the way it was supposed to. And what did I found out? Nothing! Really, debugging JS code in a browser is one of the worst things about web development. So I begin to wonder, why is this mess still around? :(( Admit it, javascript has a very flawed design. The only reason we still use it, is because we have no other choice. Really if people had the choice of using a friendlier language like C# or Java, javascript would have been in the dumpster by now. I never liked a thing about Javascript and I do not think I ever will. It is crippled. Back to work I guess. And guess what, it is Javascript again. :mad: :((
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock. In fact, I hate knocking. Just barge in will'Ya?
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It's a lot easier to debug than Haskell, of course that's not much of an accomplishment.
I agree that Javascript does what it is supposed to, but sometimes following its logic becomes a little difficult. And then it snowballs from there. Gets worse every hour, and leaves you with frustration. The lack of coding practices in javascript or the lack of people willing to follow is also to blame. These are the same problems "daddy languages" have faced and tried to resolve over the years. But in the end, everything has its goods and bads. I just wish that it learned from other language's mistakes/flaws. Anyways CP makes working a lot easier. I just had to rant somewhere, but here I also get some feedback which is always nice. :-D I just might finish this today.:thumbsup:
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock. In fact, I hate knocking. Just barge in will'Ya?
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Recently, I spent around day trying to find out why something was not working the way it was supposed to. And what did I found out? Nothing! Really, debugging JS code in a browser is one of the worst things about web development. So I begin to wonder, why is this mess still around? :(( Admit it, javascript has a very flawed design. The only reason we still use it, is because we have no other choice. Really if people had the choice of using a friendlier language like C# or Java, javascript would have been in the dumpster by now. I never liked a thing about Javascript and I do not think I ever will. It is crippled. Back to work I guess. And guess what, it is Javascript again. :mad: :((
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock. In fact, I hate knocking. Just barge in will'Ya?
It boosts IT employment, shortens the life of those same people, and as a side effect keeps thousands of coffee farm workers busy in far flung places like Kenya and Brazil (even if they only earn a dollar a week.) Think of the horror if they fixed that sort of stuff... hundreds of IT folks out in public... think of the children!
Sin tack the any key okay
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It boosts IT employment, shortens the life of those same people, and as a side effect keeps thousands of coffee farm workers busy in far flung places like Kenya and Brazil (even if they only earn a dollar a week.) Think of the horror if they fixed that sort of stuff... hundreds of IT folks out in public... think of the children!
Sin tack the any key okay
Undefined reference error - you are speaking about Java, not JavaScript.
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Recently, I spent around day trying to find out why something was not working the way it was supposed to. And what did I found out? Nothing! Really, debugging JS code in a browser is one of the worst things about web development. So I begin to wonder, why is this mess still around? :(( Admit it, javascript has a very flawed design. The only reason we still use it, is because we have no other choice. Really if people had the choice of using a friendlier language like C# or Java, javascript would have been in the dumpster by now. I never liked a thing about Javascript and I do not think I ever will. It is crippled. Back to work I guess. And guess what, it is Javascript again. :mad: :((
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock. In fact, I hate knocking. Just barge in will'Ya?
GKP1992 wrote:
debugging JS code in a browser is one of the worst things about web development
:thumbsup: I think it's unanimous that most of us hate JS...especially the part where you get it working in one browser :) , then find that it fails in another! :mad: JS is the least used and least favorite of the half-dozen 'languages' that I work in regularly. As for 'Why is JavaScript still a thing', I think it's fair to say that currently, like it or not, the web runs on JavaScript. Since my duties involve a fair amount of web development, I keep my browser settings such that all script errors are reported. What really ticks me off is the apparent laziness of many developers who depend on the browser's ability to swallow errors (like an automatic on error resume next) instead of checking for 'undefined' or 'NaN'. In many cases, it becomes almost impossible to leave a website due to the onslaught of errors. X|
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Recently, I spent around day trying to find out why something was not working the way it was supposed to. And what did I found out? Nothing! Really, debugging JS code in a browser is one of the worst things about web development. So I begin to wonder, why is this mess still around? :(( Admit it, javascript has a very flawed design. The only reason we still use it, is because we have no other choice. Really if people had the choice of using a friendlier language like C# or Java, javascript would have been in the dumpster by now. I never liked a thing about Javascript and I do not think I ever will. It is crippled. Back to work I guess. And guess what, it is Javascript again. :mad: :((
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock. In fact, I hate knocking. Just barge in will'Ya?
If you're really desperate you can always give [Elm](http://elm-lang.org/) a try... Strongly-typed with type inference. Compiles to JavaScript. Can introduce incrementally, i.e., no need to rewrite everything. No runtime exceptions. (Disclaimer, I've only had a brief look.)
Kevin
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You will always find morons everywhere :sigh: :sigh: :sigh:
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Recently, I spent around day trying to find out why something was not working the way it was supposed to. And what did I found out? Nothing! Really, debugging JS code in a browser is one of the worst things about web development. So I begin to wonder, why is this mess still around? :(( Admit it, javascript has a very flawed design. The only reason we still use it, is because we have no other choice. Really if people had the choice of using a friendlier language like C# or Java, javascript would have been in the dumpster by now. I never liked a thing about Javascript and I do not think I ever will. It is crippled. Back to work I guess. And guess what, it is Javascript again. :mad: :((
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock. In fact, I hate knocking. Just barge in will'Ya?
JavaScript to my experience is like root beer. First taste is bad and saying who would drink such a foul taste drink. But you know what, the more you drink it, you grew to like more and more. Pretty soon you preferred it to other drinks, even genuine draft beer. I'm having second thought about how bad skunk smell. If you get just a fainted smell, it actually no bad at all. People paid good money for the scent. :-D
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Actually, I'm rather impressed with the debugging ability in the browser. Granted, a large monitor really helps. ;) Marc
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Do you mean two or more monitors...
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Recently, I spent around day trying to find out why something was not working the way it was supposed to. And what did I found out? Nothing! Really, debugging JS code in a browser is one of the worst things about web development. So I begin to wonder, why is this mess still around? :(( Admit it, javascript has a very flawed design. The only reason we still use it, is because we have no other choice. Really if people had the choice of using a friendlier language like C# or Java, javascript would have been in the dumpster by now. I never liked a thing about Javascript and I do not think I ever will. It is crippled. Back to work I guess. And guess what, it is Javascript again. :mad: :((
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock. In fact, I hate knocking. Just barge in will'Ya?
I'm closing on 20 years of JavaScript. You have to accept it as JavaScript, it will solve 99% of your problems. As long as you try to bend it to be C# (or like) you will fail in so many ways... If you want to feel good with the tools, try using Notepad as editor and never hit F12 while you are in the browser... After two weeks you will see the benefits of the built in debugger... ;)
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Recently, I spent around day trying to find out why something was not working the way it was supposed to. And what did I found out? Nothing! Really, debugging JS code in a browser is one of the worst things about web development. So I begin to wonder, why is this mess still around? :(( Admit it, javascript has a very flawed design. The only reason we still use it, is because we have no other choice. Really if people had the choice of using a friendlier language like C# or Java, javascript would have been in the dumpster by now. I never liked a thing about Javascript and I do not think I ever will. It is crippled. Back to work I guess. And guess what, it is Javascript again. :mad: :((
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock. In fact, I hate knocking. Just barge in will'Ya?
I'm not the biggest fan of the language either but it is quite useful. Some of those frustrating bits also give you the ability to do things that simply aren't possible in other languages. That being said, I've really started to like Typescript[^]. It's a superset of JS so you basically just have to read up on how the type system works then you're good to go.
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It boosts IT employment, shortens the life of those same people, and as a side effect keeps thousands of coffee farm workers busy in far flung places like Kenya and Brazil (even if they only earn a dollar a week.) Think of the horror if they fixed that sort of stuff... hundreds of IT folks out in public... think of the children!
Sin tack the any key okay
u seem to have a point there..also see below.. That paradigm will be defined by three key characteristics, Nadella explained: Every computing task and experience will be "multi-device, multi-sense" with multiple means of input and output; artificial intelligence will be built into every application and device; and there will be an increased use of containers, microservices and server-less technologies that provide new ways to develop, distribute and manage applications.
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I guess you could call me a moron, because I do write server side code in JavaScript (Nodejs that is) and a full SQL Server accessing one no less. I happen to like it better than using IIS. Only thing I missed in NodeJs is EF capability.
VB6 is still used too ;P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Recently, I spent around day trying to find out why something was not working the way it was supposed to. And what did I found out? Nothing! Really, debugging JS code in a browser is one of the worst things about web development. So I begin to wonder, why is this mess still around? :(( Admit it, javascript has a very flawed design. The only reason we still use it, is because we have no other choice. Really if people had the choice of using a friendlier language like C# or Java, javascript would have been in the dumpster by now. I never liked a thing about Javascript and I do not think I ever will. It is crippled. Back to work I guess. And guess what, it is Javascript again. :mad: :((
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock. In fact, I hate knocking. Just barge in will'Ya?
GKP1992 wrote:
if people had the choice of using a friendlier language like C# or Java, javascript would have been in the dumpster by now.
Come on, That is why we gave you Applets, Active-X, etc right? :rolleyes:
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