Tabs, Spaces, 2 column widths, 4 column widths, oh my...
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Now you know, we as nerds just love a good debate. And clearly, everyone who doesn't agree with us is intellectually inferior by substantial margins. And no other topic, save a few, has this proven to more evident than in the tabs versus spaces great debate of our generation. Now, rather than fan the flame of that saga, I'm curious to know what people still prefer for tab width (regardless of an actual tab char or if it's spaces). For years, I've always been a four column guy with tab widths. I mean years. Anything else was stupid and bunches together what would otherwise be beautiful code. But then I started doing a lot of JavaScript development where the popular thing is to use two column widths. Ruby seems to embrace that too. It's ugly I thought. I shan't cave in. It's immoral and just wrong. But in being a team player you go along with what must be done for the sake of the project. Now, a couple years later. I look at four column tab width code and think "well gee that's just too damn wide." I still don't like two column width. Looks like the code is still in kiddy land when I see that. I started doing some plug-in development for a Forex trading platform a few years back. It's a proprietary language and by default it uses 3 column widths in the code editor for it. At first I was like "ok wtf." But after years of using that proprietary language... turns out 3 column width is perfect! You can use it everywhere. C#, C/C++, JavaScript. Whatever, it's a nice compromise for everyone. In this day and age where we are expected to learn 20 million things, both client and server, rather than just one language, I tend to find myself using this more and more so I don't have to readjust my eyes to differently spaced code all day long. Only problem is... nobody else uses 3 column widths that I know of. So, I'm curious to know, what do y'all use still and why?
Jeremy Falcon
Been through the same journey as you. I like best 3 columns, but my current work requires 4 columns. Ah well.
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Been through the same journey as you. I like best 3 columns, but my current work requires 4 columns. Ah well.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
You're a smart man! :thumbsup:
Jeremy Falcon
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Come on man... give spaces a try. Peddling this like a drug dealer. Only the first space is free. :rolleyes: Not to open up that can of worms, but I was a hardcore tabs guy for years. But spaces are universal. Once I got used to spaces, I could see my code formatted well in any IDE. I could upload it to the web server, output or inspect it in the terminal on Unix/Linux or command line or Notepad in Winders and it still was formatted well. Basically, it made life more portable. I never went back.
Jeremy Falcon
Chuck Norris uses Tabs. So should you. :-)
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Chuck Norris uses Tabs. So should you. :-)
Oooooooh snap. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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Now you know, we as nerds just love a good debate. And clearly, everyone who doesn't agree with us is intellectually inferior by substantial margins. And no other topic, save a few, has this proven to more evident than in the tabs versus spaces great debate of our generation. Now, rather than fan the flame of that saga, I'm curious to know what people still prefer for tab width (regardless of an actual tab char or if it's spaces). For years, I've always been a four column guy with tab widths. I mean years. Anything else was stupid and bunches together what would otherwise be beautiful code. But then I started doing a lot of JavaScript development where the popular thing is to use two column widths. Ruby seems to embrace that too. It's ugly I thought. I shan't cave in. It's immoral and just wrong. But in being a team player you go along with what must be done for the sake of the project. Now, a couple years later. I look at four column tab width code and think "well gee that's just too damn wide." I still don't like two column width. Looks like the code is still in kiddy land when I see that. I started doing some plug-in development for a Forex trading platform a few years back. It's a proprietary language and by default it uses 3 column widths in the code editor for it. At first I was like "ok wtf." But after years of using that proprietary language... turns out 3 column width is perfect! You can use it everywhere. C#, C/C++, JavaScript. Whatever, it's a nice compromise for everyone. In this day and age where we are expected to learn 20 million things, both client and server, rather than just one language, I tend to find myself using this more and more so I don't have to readjust my eyes to differently spaced code all day long. Only problem is... nobody else uses 3 column widths that I know of. So, I'm curious to know, what do y'all use still and why?
Jeremy Falcon
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Now you know, we as nerds just love a good debate. And clearly, everyone who doesn't agree with us is intellectually inferior by substantial margins. And no other topic, save a few, has this proven to more evident than in the tabs versus spaces great debate of our generation. Now, rather than fan the flame of that saga, I'm curious to know what people still prefer for tab width (regardless of an actual tab char or if it's spaces). For years, I've always been a four column guy with tab widths. I mean years. Anything else was stupid and bunches together what would otherwise be beautiful code. But then I started doing a lot of JavaScript development where the popular thing is to use two column widths. Ruby seems to embrace that too. It's ugly I thought. I shan't cave in. It's immoral and just wrong. But in being a team player you go along with what must be done for the sake of the project. Now, a couple years later. I look at four column tab width code and think "well gee that's just too damn wide." I still don't like two column width. Looks like the code is still in kiddy land when I see that. I started doing some plug-in development for a Forex trading platform a few years back. It's a proprietary language and by default it uses 3 column widths in the code editor for it. At first I was like "ok wtf." But after years of using that proprietary language... turns out 3 column width is perfect! You can use it everywhere. C#, C/C++, JavaScript. Whatever, it's a nice compromise for everyone. In this day and age where we are expected to learn 20 million things, both client and server, rather than just one language, I tend to find myself using this more and more so I don't have to readjust my eyes to differently spaced code all day long. Only problem is... nobody else uses 3 column widths that I know of. So, I'm curious to know, what do y'all use still and why?
Jeremy Falcon
2 columns and use tabs all applications, including TSQL. ctrl e d will reformat the current file in c#. Red-Gate has an excellent formatter for stored procs. As the lead developer I set the standards and if I find someone has reformatted my code I get quite grumpy.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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2 columns and use tabs all applications, including TSQL. ctrl e d will reformat the current file in c#. Red-Gate has an excellent formatter for stored procs. As the lead developer I set the standards and if I find someone has reformatted my code I get quite grumpy.
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As the lead developer I set the standards and if I find someone has reformatted my code I get quite grumpy
That's the biggest thing... everyone being on the same page. I'll never get you two column folks. :laugh: But I do think the project will suffer if the team can't agree on one.
Jeremy Falcon
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Now you know, we as nerds just love a good debate. And clearly, everyone who doesn't agree with us is intellectually inferior by substantial margins. And no other topic, save a few, has this proven to more evident than in the tabs versus spaces great debate of our generation. Now, rather than fan the flame of that saga, I'm curious to know what people still prefer for tab width (regardless of an actual tab char or if it's spaces). For years, I've always been a four column guy with tab widths. I mean years. Anything else was stupid and bunches together what would otherwise be beautiful code. But then I started doing a lot of JavaScript development where the popular thing is to use two column widths. Ruby seems to embrace that too. It's ugly I thought. I shan't cave in. It's immoral and just wrong. But in being a team player you go along with what must be done for the sake of the project. Now, a couple years later. I look at four column tab width code and think "well gee that's just too damn wide." I still don't like two column width. Looks like the code is still in kiddy land when I see that. I started doing some plug-in development for a Forex trading platform a few years back. It's a proprietary language and by default it uses 3 column widths in the code editor for it. At first I was like "ok wtf." But after years of using that proprietary language... turns out 3 column width is perfect! You can use it everywhere. C#, C/C++, JavaScript. Whatever, it's a nice compromise for everyone. In this day and age where we are expected to learn 20 million things, both client and server, rather than just one language, I tend to find myself using this more and more so I don't have to readjust my eyes to differently spaced code all day long. Only problem is... nobody else uses 3 column widths that I know of. So, I'm curious to know, what do y'all use still and why?
Jeremy Falcon
Now with wide displays is not as important, but 2 spaces (using tab) is good as it is not very space consuming but at the same time is clear enough to see the desired effect. And of course this doesn't allow any debate. I'm right. Anyone thinking a different thing must be burnt in fire. :rolleyes:
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Chuck Norris uses Tabs. So should you. :-)
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Now you know, we as nerds just love a good debate. And clearly, everyone who doesn't agree with us is intellectually inferior by substantial margins. And no other topic, save a few, has this proven to more evident than in the tabs versus spaces great debate of our generation. Now, rather than fan the flame of that saga, I'm curious to know what people still prefer for tab width (regardless of an actual tab char or if it's spaces). For years, I've always been a four column guy with tab widths. I mean years. Anything else was stupid and bunches together what would otherwise be beautiful code. But then I started doing a lot of JavaScript development where the popular thing is to use two column widths. Ruby seems to embrace that too. It's ugly I thought. I shan't cave in. It's immoral and just wrong. But in being a team player you go along with what must be done for the sake of the project. Now, a couple years later. I look at four column tab width code and think "well gee that's just too damn wide." I still don't like two column width. Looks like the code is still in kiddy land when I see that. I started doing some plug-in development for a Forex trading platform a few years back. It's a proprietary language and by default it uses 3 column widths in the code editor for it. At first I was like "ok wtf." But after years of using that proprietary language... turns out 3 column width is perfect! You can use it everywhere. C#, C/C++, JavaScript. Whatever, it's a nice compromise for everyone. In this day and age where we are expected to learn 20 million things, both client and server, rather than just one language, I tend to find myself using this more and more so I don't have to readjust my eyes to differently spaced code all day long. Only problem is... nobody else uses 3 column widths that I know of. So, I'm curious to know, what do y'all use still and why?
Jeremy Falcon
I've used so many differing styles (usually mandated by anal-retentive bosses) that today I just go with whatever (a) the company requires, or (b) the IDE inserts as a default. The only problem with using tabs as a formatting mechanism is when reading code in a different editor, whose tab setting differs. Your nicely (and carefully) formatted code then looks like a formatting disaster. :sigh:
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Now you know, we as nerds just love a good debate. And clearly, everyone who doesn't agree with us is intellectually inferior by substantial margins. And no other topic, save a few, has this proven to more evident than in the tabs versus spaces great debate of our generation. Now, rather than fan the flame of that saga, I'm curious to know what people still prefer for tab width (regardless of an actual tab char or if it's spaces). For years, I've always been a four column guy with tab widths. I mean years. Anything else was stupid and bunches together what would otherwise be beautiful code. But then I started doing a lot of JavaScript development where the popular thing is to use two column widths. Ruby seems to embrace that too. It's ugly I thought. I shan't cave in. It's immoral and just wrong. But in being a team player you go along with what must be done for the sake of the project. Now, a couple years later. I look at four column tab width code and think "well gee that's just too damn wide." I still don't like two column width. Looks like the code is still in kiddy land when I see that. I started doing some plug-in development for a Forex trading platform a few years back. It's a proprietary language and by default it uses 3 column widths in the code editor for it. At first I was like "ok wtf." But after years of using that proprietary language... turns out 3 column width is perfect! You can use it everywhere. C#, C/C++, JavaScript. Whatever, it's a nice compromise for everyone. In this day and age where we are expected to learn 20 million things, both client and server, rather than just one language, I tend to find myself using this more and more so I don't have to readjust my eyes to differently spaced code all day long. Only problem is... nobody else uses 3 column widths that I know of. So, I'm curious to know, what do y'all use still and why?
Jeremy Falcon
Always used 3 spaces for punch cards. Reasonable compromise for easy resorting when the deck was dropped v maximising levels of indentation given that the width of a card was 80 cols, and the last 8 of then were for sequence numbers. (Also useful for old versions of FORTRAN where statements started in col 7 - 2 * 3 spaces). Now we have screens, I use TAB (only 1 key stroke) and accept whatever the editor of the day displays it at. I still try to limit lines to 80 chars.
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harold aptroot wrote:
2.718
I prefer 2.6589754 spaces, but hey, now we are splitting hairs. :)
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Now you know, we as nerds just love a good debate. And clearly, everyone who doesn't agree with us is intellectually inferior by substantial margins. And no other topic, save a few, has this proven to more evident than in the tabs versus spaces great debate of our generation. Now, rather than fan the flame of that saga, I'm curious to know what people still prefer for tab width (regardless of an actual tab char or if it's spaces). For years, I've always been a four column guy with tab widths. I mean years. Anything else was stupid and bunches together what would otherwise be beautiful code. But then I started doing a lot of JavaScript development where the popular thing is to use two column widths. Ruby seems to embrace that too. It's ugly I thought. I shan't cave in. It's immoral and just wrong. But in being a team player you go along with what must be done for the sake of the project. Now, a couple years later. I look at four column tab width code and think "well gee that's just too damn wide." I still don't like two column width. Looks like the code is still in kiddy land when I see that. I started doing some plug-in development for a Forex trading platform a few years back. It's a proprietary language and by default it uses 3 column widths in the code editor for it. At first I was like "ok wtf." But after years of using that proprietary language... turns out 3 column width is perfect! You can use it everywhere. C#, C/C++, JavaScript. Whatever, it's a nice compromise for everyone. In this day and age where we are expected to learn 20 million things, both client and server, rather than just one language, I tend to find myself using this more and more so I don't have to readjust my eyes to differently spaced code all day long. Only problem is... nobody else uses 3 column widths that I know of. So, I'm curious to know, what do y'all use still and why?
Jeremy Falcon
3 Empty spaces here
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Now you know, we as nerds just love a good debate. And clearly, everyone who doesn't agree with us is intellectually inferior by substantial margins. And no other topic, save a few, has this proven to more evident than in the tabs versus spaces great debate of our generation. Now, rather than fan the flame of that saga, I'm curious to know what people still prefer for tab width (regardless of an actual tab char or if it's spaces). For years, I've always been a four column guy with tab widths. I mean years. Anything else was stupid and bunches together what would otherwise be beautiful code. But then I started doing a lot of JavaScript development where the popular thing is to use two column widths. Ruby seems to embrace that too. It's ugly I thought. I shan't cave in. It's immoral and just wrong. But in being a team player you go along with what must be done for the sake of the project. Now, a couple years later. I look at four column tab width code and think "well gee that's just too damn wide." I still don't like two column width. Looks like the code is still in kiddy land when I see that. I started doing some plug-in development for a Forex trading platform a few years back. It's a proprietary language and by default it uses 3 column widths in the code editor for it. At first I was like "ok wtf." But after years of using that proprietary language... turns out 3 column width is perfect! You can use it everywhere. C#, C/C++, JavaScript. Whatever, it's a nice compromise for everyone. In this day and age where we are expected to learn 20 million things, both client and server, rather than just one language, I tend to find myself using this more and more so I don't have to readjust my eyes to differently spaced code all day long. Only problem is... nobody else uses 3 column widths that I know of. So, I'm curious to know, what do y'all use still and why?
Jeremy Falcon
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Now you know, we as nerds just love a good debate. And clearly, everyone who doesn't agree with us is intellectually inferior by substantial margins. And no other topic, save a few, has this proven to more evident than in the tabs versus spaces great debate of our generation. Now, rather than fan the flame of that saga, I'm curious to know what people still prefer for tab width (regardless of an actual tab char or if it's spaces). For years, I've always been a four column guy with tab widths. I mean years. Anything else was stupid and bunches together what would otherwise be beautiful code. But then I started doing a lot of JavaScript development where the popular thing is to use two column widths. Ruby seems to embrace that too. It's ugly I thought. I shan't cave in. It's immoral and just wrong. But in being a team player you go along with what must be done for the sake of the project. Now, a couple years later. I look at four column tab width code and think "well gee that's just too damn wide." I still don't like two column width. Looks like the code is still in kiddy land when I see that. I started doing some plug-in development for a Forex trading platform a few years back. It's a proprietary language and by default it uses 3 column widths in the code editor for it. At first I was like "ok wtf." But after years of using that proprietary language... turns out 3 column width is perfect! You can use it everywhere. C#, C/C++, JavaScript. Whatever, it's a nice compromise for everyone. In this day and age where we are expected to learn 20 million things, both client and server, rather than just one language, I tend to find myself using this more and more so I don't have to readjust my eyes to differently spaced code all day long. Only problem is... nobody else uses 3 column widths that I know of. So, I'm curious to know, what do y'all use still and why?
Jeremy Falcon
One space is too short. Other than that, whatever the environment provides for a tab is fine. The point is to quickly see nesting, not to conform to the whims of some mad god.
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Now you know, we as nerds just love a good debate. And clearly, everyone who doesn't agree with us is intellectually inferior by substantial margins. And no other topic, save a few, has this proven to more evident than in the tabs versus spaces great debate of our generation. Now, rather than fan the flame of that saga, I'm curious to know what people still prefer for tab width (regardless of an actual tab char or if it's spaces). For years, I've always been a four column guy with tab widths. I mean years. Anything else was stupid and bunches together what would otherwise be beautiful code. But then I started doing a lot of JavaScript development where the popular thing is to use two column widths. Ruby seems to embrace that too. It's ugly I thought. I shan't cave in. It's immoral and just wrong. But in being a team player you go along with what must be done for the sake of the project. Now, a couple years later. I look at four column tab width code and think "well gee that's just too damn wide." I still don't like two column width. Looks like the code is still in kiddy land when I see that. I started doing some plug-in development for a Forex trading platform a few years back. It's a proprietary language and by default it uses 3 column widths in the code editor for it. At first I was like "ok wtf." But after years of using that proprietary language... turns out 3 column width is perfect! You can use it everywhere. C#, C/C++, JavaScript. Whatever, it's a nice compromise for everyone. In this day and age where we are expected to learn 20 million things, both client and server, rather than just one language, I tend to find myself using this more and more so I don't have to readjust my eyes to differently spaced code all day long. Only problem is... nobody else uses 3 column widths that I know of. So, I'm curious to know, what do y'all use still and why?
Jeremy Falcon
Three column tabs? Now that really is odd.
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Now you know, we as nerds just love a good debate. And clearly, everyone who doesn't agree with us is intellectually inferior by substantial margins. And no other topic, save a few, has this proven to more evident than in the tabs versus spaces great debate of our generation. Now, rather than fan the flame of that saga, I'm curious to know what people still prefer for tab width (regardless of an actual tab char or if it's spaces). For years, I've always been a four column guy with tab widths. I mean years. Anything else was stupid and bunches together what would otherwise be beautiful code. But then I started doing a lot of JavaScript development where the popular thing is to use two column widths. Ruby seems to embrace that too. It's ugly I thought. I shan't cave in. It's immoral and just wrong. But in being a team player you go along with what must be done for the sake of the project. Now, a couple years later. I look at four column tab width code and think "well gee that's just too damn wide." I still don't like two column width. Looks like the code is still in kiddy land when I see that. I started doing some plug-in development for a Forex trading platform a few years back. It's a proprietary language and by default it uses 3 column widths in the code editor for it. At first I was like "ok wtf." But after years of using that proprietary language... turns out 3 column width is perfect! You can use it everywhere. C#, C/C++, JavaScript. Whatever, it's a nice compromise for everyone. In this day and age where we are expected to learn 20 million things, both client and server, rather than just one language, I tend to find myself using this more and more so I don't have to readjust my eyes to differently spaced code all day long. Only problem is... nobody else uses 3 column widths that I know of. So, I'm curious to know, what do y'all use still and why?
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
So, I'm curious to know, what do y'all use still and why?
Whether spaces or tabs, 2, 3, 4, or 5 (I loved 5 when I was doing C++ work years ago), I don't particularly care, as long as: 1. The IDE creates appropriate indentation when I hit the tab key 2. The IDE is smart enough to un-indent the entire group of spaces when I hit the delete key anywhere in the indented region (this is extremely rare, which is why I prefer tabs over spaces) 3. The IDE supports block indent \ un-indent 4. The IDE supports a "format" which will format the entire code block/file to however I've set up my IDE. 95% of the time I love how pressing '}' will reformat the C# / Javascript code. But what I really grouse about is vertical spacing. I am anal about that. Here are the rules not all dealing with vertical spacing: 1. C# using (and other language equivalents) should be in alphabetic order, unless, like in some other languages, they are imports that have dependencies on prior imports 2. .NET framework using's come first. 3. Third party using's are alphabetically grouped next, with a blank line between them and the .NET using's above. 4. Internal library using's next, grouped and separated as #2 5. Application specific using's next, same 6. One class per file 7. Methods separated by a single blank line 8. Public events first, one per line, the group "guarded" by a blank line. 8. Public properties next, one per line, the group "guarded" by a blank line. 9. Protected/private properties next, one per line, the group "guarded" by a blank line. 10. Internal fields next, one per line, the group "guarded" by a blank line. 11. Public constructors next, each constructor method separated by a single blank line. 12. Protected/private constructors next, each constructor method separated by a single blank line. 13. Public methods next, each constructor method separated by a single blank line. 14. Protected/private methods next, each constructor method separated by a single blank line. OK, I must be really bored at work to have just written all that down. :rolleyes: Marc
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Now you know, we as nerds just love a good debate. And clearly, everyone who doesn't agree with us is intellectually inferior by substantial margins. And no other topic, save a few, has this proven to more evident than in the tabs versus spaces great debate of our generation. Now, rather than fan the flame of that saga, I'm curious to know what people still prefer for tab width (regardless of an actual tab char or if it's spaces). For years, I've always been a four column guy with tab widths. I mean years. Anything else was stupid and bunches together what would otherwise be beautiful code. But then I started doing a lot of JavaScript development where the popular thing is to use two column widths. Ruby seems to embrace that too. It's ugly I thought. I shan't cave in. It's immoral and just wrong. But in being a team player you go along with what must be done for the sake of the project. Now, a couple years later. I look at four column tab width code and think "well gee that's just too damn wide." I still don't like two column width. Looks like the code is still in kiddy land when I see that. I started doing some plug-in development for a Forex trading platform a few years back. It's a proprietary language and by default it uses 3 column widths in the code editor for it. At first I was like "ok wtf." But after years of using that proprietary language... turns out 3 column width is perfect! You can use it everywhere. C#, C/C++, JavaScript. Whatever, it's a nice compromise for everyone. In this day and age where we are expected to learn 20 million things, both client and server, rather than just one language, I tend to find myself using this more and more so I don't have to readjust my eyes to differently spaced code all day long. Only problem is... nobody else uses 3 column widths that I know of. So, I'm curious to know, what do y'all use still and why?
Jeremy Falcon
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harold aptroot wrote:
2.718
I prefer 2.6589754 spaces, but hey, now we are splitting hairs. :)
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