Arrrgh...another PC bites the dust
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But, but, but ... MINI-BAR! :-D I know it's not cheap. I couldn't afford it either, but I bought it anyway! Probably the last case I'll ever buy.
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Probably the last case I'll ever buy.
Probably a good thing. I have one of them too, took twice as long to assemble the case as to build the system that went inside it.
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Why raid 0 the ssd's? Please don't say for performance! Also double check your PSU has the right CPU power connectors for these new mobo's. It probably does have them but worth checking first. Oh and 4 years is a massive amount of time for a socket, doubt 2066 will last much longer!
After a lengthy battle between the inner-nerd and the frugal-gotta-pay-bills part of me, I settled on a single M.2 hard drive for the C: drive. I am going to raid a couple of SSDs and POSDs to get better performance out of them. It helped that a single M.2 drive on the PCI-E lanes has a nearly 40% read time improvement over two SSDs in a Raid 0 array.
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I don't know about that. The LGA 1051 socket doesn't ever seem to die.
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[Cannonlake (might be cancelled for this socket[1])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA\_1151) Will see about that :)
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Not even close to being true. Looking at the gallery I'm not even sure if you could fit a twin 120 mm radiator in it (top clearance looks rather tight); nevermind the quad 140mm beast I bought my leviathan to hold.
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Foothill wrote:
Had the motherboard and processor since January of 2014 so it's not like I didn't get my money's worth out of them
Expectations seem to be rather low, these days.
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They don't make them as good as they used to, at least in the consumer sphere. The motherboard before this one died a fiery death when a SATA cable developed a short and shot sparks and flames out of the case. With the current motherboard, I had to send the first one I received back as it was DOA. I was pleased to get almost 3 1/2 years out of it considering the complaints that were pilling up on Newegg about it after I bought it.
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They don't make them as good as they used to, at least in the consumer sphere. The motherboard before this one died a fiery death when a SATA cable developed a short and shot sparks and flames out of the case. With the current motherboard, I had to send the first one I received back as it was DOA. I was pleased to get almost 3 1/2 years out of it considering the complaints that were pilling up on Newegg about it after I bought it.
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Alas, the new Quality Control Paradigm. It's cheaper to ship everything, let the consumer be the QC, and replace the item if it fails.
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"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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[Cannonlake (might be cancelled for this socket[1])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA\_1151) Will see about that :)
*** Jaw hits floor *** :wtf: That's been the go-to socket for standard consumer PCs for a decade. I guess the consumer PC is actually dying.
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Alas, the new Quality Control Paradigm. It's cheaper to ship everything, let the consumer be the QC, and replace the item if it fails.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Not even close to being true. Looking at the gallery I'm not even sure if you could fit a twin 120 mm radiator in it (top clearance looks rather tight); nevermind the quad 140mm beast I bought my leviathan to hold.
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Lüfter (oben): 1x 200mm, 600-800rpm, 13-15dB(A) (blau beleuchtet), 1x 200mm (optional)
Which means fan (top) 1x200mm (blue light) is already installed, 1x200 (optionally) can be installed by you. So 2 top fans possible ;)
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Umm...That's a mid-tower case. Not even close to the size of the one I got. My case has a "basement" where the power supply goes, room for a second power supply next to it, and more room for a 420mm radiator. On top of that is a "midplate" that makes up the floor of the case where the motherboard goes. There's enough room, front to back, to put two full ATX motherboards, with enough room other that to put another 560mm radiator. And that's before you get into the expansion options on top of the case. I don't have a second motherboard, but I do have a 1.75l bottle of Jack Daniels, a fifth of Captain Morgans, a fifth of Johnny Walker Black, and a smallish bottle of Winter Jack in there. And my case, thankfully, doesn't look like R2D2.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
Probably the last case I'll ever buy.
Probably a good thing. I have one of them too, took twice as long to assemble the case as to build the system that went inside it.
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Yeah, it took 3 hours to build. I don't mind that much at all. The case is considerably larger than my last one and weighs half as much. A consideration I had when picking it out because of the yearly ritual of taking the machines outside and blowing out all the dust in them.
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Lüfter (oben): 1x 200mm, 600-800rpm, 13-15dB(A) (blau beleuchtet), 1x 200mm (optional)
Which means fan (top) 1x200mm (blue light) is already installed, 1x200 (optionally) can be installed by you. So 2 top fans possible ;)
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}My concern looking at the case is that I'm not sure if there's enough space between the top of the case and the motherboard for a radiator. Even a thin radiator will be about 25mm thick (and thin radiators don't work particularly well), half or twice again that is common. And you still need to mount a fan on in to push air through. A lot of cases don't have room for that; and that one looks marginal at best. A secondary concern is that AFAIK no one sells 200mm wide radiators; so unless the top is pre-drilled for 120/140mmm fans you'd need to mod it to mount them.
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Yeah, it took 3 hours to build. I don't mind that much at all. The case is considerably larger than my last one and weighs half as much. A consideration I had when picking it out because of the yearly ritual of taking the machines outside and blowing out all the dust in them.
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Dave KreskowiakI probably spent double that building it. Due to its size it's the heaviest system I've built. OTOH it's on castors so I almost never have to lift it to move. Just on/off the table when doing the initial build up.
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*** Jaw hits floor *** :wtf: That's been the go-to socket for standard consumer PCs for a decade. I guess the consumer PC is actually dying.
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Not it hasn't. Various[^] LGA[^] 115x[^] sockets[^] have been used for about a decade, but they've previously changed it out every two years with the new architecture. This may be the first time Intel's done it without changing architecture; but as a 3 generation socket LGA1151 has already lasted longer than any of its predecessors.
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They don't make them as good as they used to, at least in the consumer sphere. The motherboard before this one died a fiery death when a SATA cable developed a short and shot sparks and flames out of the case. With the current motherboard, I had to send the first one I received back as it was DOA. I was pleased to get almost 3 1/2 years out of it considering the complaints that were pilling up on Newegg about it after I bought it.
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3.5 years is still rather poor endurance; even if it is just long enough for the supply of new parts to be heavily depleted. OTOH at that age I'd be tempted to hit up fleabay for a used replacement to get another year or 3 out of the system. Both Intel and AMD are finally launching chips that can scale both wide (lots of threads) or tall (a few really fast ones) depending on the workload. OTOH these're first generation efforts on both ends; and driver/compatibility fun is affecting both platforms to the extent that I'd just as soon wait 6 months or a year for all involved to sort out their messes.
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My concern looking at the case is that I'm not sure if there's enough space between the top of the case and the motherboard for a radiator. Even a thin radiator will be about 25mm thick (and thin radiators don't work particularly well), half or twice again that is common. And you still need to mount a fan on in to push air through. A lot of cases don't have room for that; and that one looks marginal at best. A secondary concern is that AFAIK no one sells 200mm wide radiators; so unless the top is pre-drilled for 120/140mmm fans you'd need to mod it to mount them.
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Dan Neely wrote:
A secondary concern is that AFAIK no one sells 200mm wide radiators
Dunno in which world you live, Fan[^] I finally understood now that you want to put a cpu cooling unit into the top of the tower X| this link[^] has some more pictures of the case. BTW from that link "ein weiterer 200-mm-Lüfter im Oberteil einbaubar, kann stattdessen einen 240-mm-Radiator aufnehmen," Means, instead of the one 1x200mm optional fan you can use a 240mm radiator.
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3.5 years is still rather poor endurance; even if it is just long enough for the supply of new parts to be heavily depleted. OTOH at that age I'd be tempted to hit up fleabay for a used replacement to get another year or 3 out of the system. Both Intel and AMD are finally launching chips that can scale both wide (lots of threads) or tall (a few really fast ones) depending on the workload. OTOH these're first generation efforts on both ends; and driver/compatibility fun is affecting both platforms to the extent that I'd just as soon wait 6 months or a year for all involved to sort out their messes.
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Dan Neely wrote:
at that age I'd be tempted to hit up fleabay for a used replacement to get another year or 3 out of the system
I thought about that. After I restore the funds depleted with this little endeavor, I might just replace the motherboard with one from ebay and build a secondary system (assuming that the processor is still good).
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Umm...That's a mid-tower case. Not even close to the size of the one I got. My case has a "basement" where the power supply goes, room for a second power supply next to it, and more room for a 420mm radiator. On top of that is a "midplate" that makes up the floor of the case where the motherboard goes. There's enough room, front to back, to put two full ATX motherboards, with enough room other that to put another 560mm radiator. And that's before you get into the expansion options on top of the case. I don't have a second motherboard, but I do have a 1.75l bottle of Jack Daniels, a fifth of Captain Morgans, a fifth of Johnny Walker Black, and a smallish bottle of Winter Jack in there. And my case, thankfully, doesn't look like R2D2.
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Dave KreskowiakJust to be clear, this aint the case im using. Because i attend Lan-Partys i quit my BIG BIG BIG Tower times and switched to midi, and this case, thus it is smaller than yours, is classified as a Big-Tower.
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Dan Neely wrote:
A secondary concern is that AFAIK no one sells 200mm wide radiators
Dunno in which world you live, Fan[^] I finally understood now that you want to put a cpu cooling unit into the top of the tower X| this link[^] has some more pictures of the case. BTW from that link "ein weiterer 200-mm-Lüfter im Oberteil einbaubar, kann stattdessen einen 240-mm-Radiator aufnehmen," Means, instead of the one 1x200mm optional fan you can use a 240mm radiator.
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}I'd rather put the radiator anywhere else; but that tiny case is cramped enough that the top is the only place that might be able to fit a radiator. And its less the CPU I'm concerned with - you can get quiet and effective tower coolers for them - than the GPU. Compared with the big and slow fans on radiator even the 3x80/92mm fans on an open air GPU (never mind a blower) are obnoxiously loud while gaming.
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I probably spent double that building it. Due to its size it's the heaviest system I've built. OTOH it's on castors so I almost never have to lift it to move. Just on/off the table when doing the initial build up.
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Oh, nice. Maybe, after I move into a new house, I'll modify the case with casters and put in on the floor. Right now, it sits on my desk because I have no floor space to put it. Yes, a GIANT machine is taking up a third of my desk.
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