Sigh. The EU fucks up again
-
And on the other hand all of your brokers and finance sector employees will go to frankfurt. The question is what hurts more. We will see how the brexit will work out, but i guess a lot will change. But being week on that topic and letting the UK dictate rules will not work. Maybe some lose their job, who knows.
if(this.signature != "")
{
MessageBox.Show("This is my signature: " + Environment.NewLine + signature);
}
else
{
MessageBox.Show("404-Signature not found");
}Home of the ECB, makes sense. Well, you can have fun with them. They will ruin your economy next.
-
-
DO you know about the war reparations Germany had to make after WWI? The EU, with is money flow, is about punishing Germany for WWII by making them the main contributor. Here's how much each EU nation puts in and takes out of the EU budget[^] Those with the x higher than the green bar are net contributors. Those whose x is lower than the green bar are net receivers. WTF is Luxembourg doing being a net receiver!!!!!!!!! I lived there. It is a very VERY rich country. Very low tax, lots of money to spend. Immaculate roads, fully lit motorways, high wages... Junckers was Luxembourgs president. What chance to you think he will accept that being reversed? When the UK walks the EU will lose its funding from the UK. This will put a MASSIVE hole in their budget. That is why the EU is putting the divorce bill first. It is shitting itself.
-
It is freaking 10 billion a year. Get real. The ECB prints 5 times that much every week.
No, it isnt printing, it is QEing. :) If the 10 billion were nothing then why is the EU insisting on a payment? Perhaps you should get real. This is, after all, the reality.
-
Home of the ECB, makes sense. Well, you can have fun with them. They will ruin your economy next.
-
The dont ruin stock markets, they gamble with other peoples money, pay themselves massive bonuses for doing so, then get the tax payer to bail them out when the shit hits the fan. You are welcome to them. Britain can focus on being a manufacturing country producing some of the best engineered goods in the world.
-
No, it isnt printing, it is QEing. :) If the 10 billion were nothing then why is the EU insisting on a payment? Perhaps you should get real. This is, after all, the reality.
-
The EU is not interested in a deal. They will put a realistic figure of 100 billion. You will walk away. It's a fight against the global yokelism. They cannot punish the great orange yokel, but it has to start somewhere.
Termi Nater wrote:
You will walk away
... German business will shit itself and force the EU to do a deal.
-
Termi Nater wrote:
You will walk away
... German business will shit itself and force the EU to do a deal.
Quote:
... German business will sh*t itself and force the EU to do a deal.
I'm sure all the rich people in Britain will stop buying Mercedes and BMW and switch to Toyotas and Hondas because of .... what? Your pound was devalued 15% in the last year alone. How much does that make in tariffs and how much did german sales fall so far?
-
The dont ruin stock markets, they gamble with other peoples money, pay themselves massive bonuses for doing so, then get the tax payer to bail them out when the shit hits the fan. You are welcome to them. Britain can focus on being a manufacturing country producing some of the best engineered goods in the world.
-
The dont ruin stock markets, they gamble with other peoples money, pay themselves massive bonuses for doing so, then get the tax payer to bail them out when the shit hits the fan. You are welcome to them. Britain can focus on being a manufacturing country producing some of the best engineered goods in the world.
-
Quote:
... German business will sh*t itself and force the EU to do a deal.
I'm sure all the rich people in Britain will stop buying Mercedes and BMW and switch to Toyotas and Hondas because of .... what? Your pound was devalued 15% in the last year alone. How much does that make in tariffs and how much did german sales fall so far?
It is more than that: German businesses in UK plead for Britain to stay in EU[^] They are already shitting themselves. How about the fiver German car manufacturers with factories in the UK? How are they going to relocate and how much will it cost them? It is going to be painful for Germany, and at a time when it will now be the only big payer into the pot. Believe me, a walk away with no deal is going to hurt the EU a lot, and Germany in particular. That is why we need a business based pragmatic approach to the negotiations.
-
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Britain can focus on being a manufacturing country producing some of the best engineered goods in the world.
Sweet! So when do they intend to get started?
British engines set the pace in f1 and IndyCar - Telegraph[^] Mercedes opened the doors to its Brixworth facility in rural England to tell the story of how its world-beating Formula 1 hybrid power unit is designed and built,[^] In a white office at the Oxfordshire HQ of Renault Sport Formula One Team[^] Something like 95% of all F1 cars use British made components, and almost all the teams are based in the UK. Marshal amps. Arcam, Dennon music systems. If you want high tech engineering, Britain has it in abundance. Heck, we started the industrial revoloution, do you think we dont know a thing or two about it? ;)
-
It is more than that: German businesses in UK plead for Britain to stay in EU[^] They are already shitting themselves. How about the fiver German car manufacturers with factories in the UK? How are they going to relocate and how much will it cost them? It is going to be painful for Germany, and at a time when it will now be the only big payer into the pot. Believe me, a walk away with no deal is going to hurt the EU a lot, and Germany in particular. That is why we need a business based pragmatic approach to the negotiations.
They will eventually relocate and close their businesses in Britain. All of them will eventually relocate. There are/will be better places to do business on the continent. In the medium/long run that is the better deal for everybody. If 100 billion worth of business is forced to leave the island and go to the continent, there you have more than 10 billion taxes annually. Consider it a budget contribution.
-
British engines set the pace in f1 and IndyCar - Telegraph[^] Mercedes opened the doors to its Brixworth facility in rural England to tell the story of how its world-beating Formula 1 hybrid power unit is designed and built,[^] In a white office at the Oxfordshire HQ of Renault Sport Formula One Team[^] Something like 95% of all F1 cars use British made components, and almost all the teams are based in the UK. Marshal amps. Arcam, Dennon music systems. If you want high tech engineering, Britain has it in abundance. Heck, we started the industrial revoloution, do you think we dont know a thing or two about it? ;)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Heck, we started the industrial revoloution, do you think we dont know a thing or two about it?
Yeah, but you pretty much threw it all away in the 70's and 80's.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Something like 95% of all F1 cars use British made components, and almost all the teams are based in the UK.
Yet, your auto industry is virtually non-existent.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Marshal amps. Arcam, Dennon music systems.
If you meant Denon... they are/were Japanese and are now ultimately owned by an American company.
-
No, just "the vast majority"; the vast majority does not integrate well, which too helps to fuel anti European sentiments. Most of them economic refugees, they take room that a real refugee could use to avoid real persecution.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)
-
They will eventually relocate and close their businesses in Britain. All of them will eventually relocate. There are/will be better places to do business on the continent. In the medium/long run that is the better deal for everybody. If 100 billion worth of business is forced to leave the island and go to the continent, there you have more than 10 billion taxes annually. Consider it a budget contribution.
So on the one hand we have you, saying its all rosy for Germany, and on the other German business saying 'for gods sake stay in the EU!' Right. My hope is that we negotiate a good relationship with the EU, with freedom of movement FOR EUROPEANS WHO ALREADY HAVE JOBS TO GO TO IN THE UK. (In fact we could have interpreted the existing rules that way, and kept out all the criminals and scum from eastern europe), and free trade. And we pay a bit for that priviledge. Perhaps half what we pay now. How does that sound?
-
So on the one hand we have you, saying its all rosy for Germany, and on the other German business saying 'for gods sake stay in the EU!' Right. My hope is that we negotiate a good relationship with the EU, with freedom of movement FOR EUROPEANS WHO ALREADY HAVE JOBS TO GO TO IN THE UK. (In fact we could have interpreted the existing rules that way, and kept out all the criminals and scum from eastern europe), and free trade. And we pay a bit for that priviledge. Perhaps half what we pay now. How does that sound?
-
Nevertheless, Sunday's vote marks a significant shift in German politics, with initial projections showing the right-wing populist Alternative for Germany (AfD) party winning over 13 percent of the vote[^] 94 seats will be won by the AFD. Who are they? The party was founded on opposition to Germany's financial support of other Eurozone states and the third main point of its initial platform called for Germany to cede no further elements of its sovereignty to the EU without approval via a referendum[^] Anti islam, anti immigration, anti gay, anti AGW, etc, the usual. If the EU had not forced immigration on Europe, if it had not forced ever closer union on Europe, if it had not dictated and instead listened to the people of Europe, there would not be an AFD. There would not have been a Brexit. The far right would not have gained such support across europe. The EU by its very dictatorial idealism is in fact destroying itself. When will continental Europeans learn for fucks sake.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
If the EU had not forced immigration on Europe, if it had not forced ever closer union on Europe, if it had not dictated and instead listened to the people of Europe, there would not be an AFD. There would not have been a Brexit. The far right would not have gained such support across europe.
I wasn't under the impression that the EU "forced" any member state to take large number of refugees/migrants. How did they do that to Germany? Threaten economic sanctions? I do however suspect that if Germany itself (not the EU) had not decided to take 900,000 refugees/migrants that the AFD would certainly have had less impact.
-
I dont even know if I should respond to such a childish reply, but here goes: The EU has ignored, by trying to erode national borders, by trying to erode the sense of race, the sentiment of the people. This has lead to the rise of the far right across europe as a response, not because the people want a far right, but is only the far right that is talking to their concerns. The EU doesnt have to implement far right policies to win these people back, it just has to let the process of integration and a true European nation happen naturally, over centuries, and not try to force the issue in 10.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
The EU has ignored, by trying to erode national borders, by trying to erode the sense of race
Nothing I have seen, excluding those that are specifically and repeatedly attempting to denigrate the EU, suggests they are doing that. Does the EU impact on UK sovereignty? - BBC News[^] Certainly some are sure to take that view when state run attempts to prop up their own local economic source are not allowed. But those attempts are always nothing more than charity and do nothing but decrease national economic prosperity.