A terrible epidemic
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It didn't. Now lets compare the amount of incidents with guns in Europe to the US; you'll find that there are a lot less incidents here. So no, while it does not guarantee anything (as if ever), it does keep the amount of incidents lower. Another argument of yours in the dustbin.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Another argument of yours in the dustbin.
And what argument is that?
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
you'll find that there are a lot less incidents here.
And you think that is because of tougher gun laws?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Where did you get 'big city' from? The very premise of your reply is so incomprehensible that it renders the entire statement irrelevant. Just what IS your point?
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"So, the fact that cars cause more deaths (and suger probably too) means that it is suddenly acceptable to buy a weapon meant to kill people? " is such a stupidly childish statement I am surprised you aren't in a care home for mentally handicapped adults.
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Since you replied to a post of mine to Griff I assume you had already found something relevant. If not, then why did you respond?
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Where did you get 'big city' from? The very premise of your reply is so incomprehensible that it renders the entire statement irrelevant. Just what IS your point?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Just what IS your point?
I made it clear enough :) But to recap, just for fun; Americans need guns to defend against their government and wild animals. Noted. :laugh:
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Since you replied to a post of mine to Griff I assume you had already found something relevant. If not, then why did you respond?
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Just what IS your point?
I made it clear enough :) But to recap, just for fun; Americans need guns to defend against their government and wild animals. Noted. :laugh:
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Is this your point or you taking 'note' of what you assume to be an argument I made?
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And did you read the flow of my discussion or leap in in complete ignorance, 'just because you can'?
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Is this your point or you taking 'note' of what you assume to be an argument I made?
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And did you read the flow of my discussion or leap in in complete ignorance, 'just because you can'?
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A summary of your views, or someone else's? You didn't make it clear.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
also not as widely available for procurement.
You just gave me a business idea. ;) :-\
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Thought you were trolling.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
also not as widely available for procurement.
You just gave me a business idea. ;) :-\
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Thought you were trolling.
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Invented by the Germans actually: StG 44 - Wikipedia[^] 'Storm trooper' was another of their terms, for an 'assault soldier', hence Sturmgewehr, 'assault rifle'.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Storm trooper'
Wrong. It was George Lucas. ;P
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I would like to see drivers re-licensed every 5 years. I would certainly be prepared to pay for it as it would also assure me that my driving is still of a good standard. But more to the point it would deter some of the morons out there from developing the dangerously bad driving habits they seem to nurture. Plus it would be good income for the government.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
As if the government needs any more money. They have proven it impossible to manage the money they get now without corruption draining copious amounts of tax dollars right out the bottom of the treasury: A.K.A. legalized theft via government.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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NoNotThatBob wrote:
And yet Presidents sign Executive Orders and live.
I am not a fan of the "executive order". In my opinion, it's a violation of the separation of powers in that it allows the President to legislate, which should not be within his sphere of influence. Even the DOJ should not be allow to *make* law, but look at the unconstitutional free reign to do so given to the EPA, TSA, and BATFE. The government, as a whole has strayed far from the intent and design of the framers. "Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes." Madison "None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important." - Jefferson "If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist." - Hamilton "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. the supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States." - Webster "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty. . . . The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - Tucker If you think the nature of governments has changed since 1796, you are as stupid as they come.
I'm not arguing against any of the points you raised but I would like to expand on one, if I may.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
"None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important." - Jefferson
I would like to say the a majority of gun owners are lacking in the discipline department. This in conjuncture with:
2nd Amendment
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This can be interpreted that the founding fathers wanted the people to be able to defend themselves from any enemy and that they best way they could do that is if the states maintained militias that could be called up in case of emergency. In recent times, that responsibility has been shifted to the National Guard. At that point, the militia, comprised of various members of the community, was rendered obsolete. To get to my point, since state and local militias were replaced by the national guard, there are limited options for individuals to obtain the necessary training to handle firearms correctly. Also, the natural consequence of having militias is that most members of the community will own similar weapons with similar ammunition which makes supplying the militia in times of war a little bit simpler than having each member supply their own ammunition. They could easily run out of their special ammo rendering them ineffective on the battlefield. I do believe that militia training and structure was the discipline Jefferson was getting at.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Again, a nonsense-argument;
That's because you're ignorant of the reasons. Check out the video I mentioned above. It explains everything. Of course, you have to be willing to hear the truth.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
you owning a rifle does not change anything about your current government
A bunch of cave dwellers in Afghanistan have proven this idea invalid. Besides that, 100 million gun owners in this country would present a sizable force.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
and in case of a clash you'd still be outgunned
Which is why the 2nd Amendment doesn't specify restrictions on the types of arms you can keep/bear. The founders knew that in order to defend against a tyrannical government, the citizens would be required to have access to battlefield-capable weapons of the day.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Is that why the US is "spreading democracy" all over the world? To rid us from our tyrannical governments?
Again, the government does not necessarily represent the will of the people they govern. The US isn't a democracy - it's (supposed to be) a constitutional republic. Look it up. Beyond that, the US government is not interested in spreading democracy, and anyone with any self-awareness at all readily recognizes that fact.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Eddy is a craptastic troller and he is kicking your ass 3 ways to sundown on this. Ignore the bugger. Just saying...
