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  • T Tim Carmichael

    From the mid 80's to the mid 90's, I worked at a cereal manufacturing facility. Each carton was checked for weight, and if underweight, the air 'pushed' it off the line. As others have said, quality control is important, as long as it doesn't overtly affect profit. If a customer found a 'lump' of cereal in a box, they were asked to sent in the box top (to identify the production date and line) and would receive some coupons for free product. Could quality control have prevented the 'lump' from reaching the production line? Yes. But, the cost could probably be more than the lost sales, so not economically viable. For those that did send in the box top and get the coupons, there may be a sense that 'the company cares' and a customer is retained.

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    den2k88
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    From the mid 90's the X-Ray vision technology gradually took hold, lumps are now something usually avoidable (at least to the customer). Still many customers are approaching the solution only recently, after having been bought by big brands which need to retain a good name, some country legislations or simply because they must renew the lines for other reasons and they decided to improve (and in many case be cost effective if they can concentrate different quality checks in a single machine).

    * CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.

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    • T Tim Carmichael

      From the mid 80's to the mid 90's, I worked at a cereal manufacturing facility. Each carton was checked for weight, and if underweight, the air 'pushed' it off the line. As others have said, quality control is important, as long as it doesn't overtly affect profit. If a customer found a 'lump' of cereal in a box, they were asked to sent in the box top (to identify the production date and line) and would receive some coupons for free product. Could quality control have prevented the 'lump' from reaching the production line? Yes. But, the cost could probably be more than the lost sales, so not economically viable. For those that did send in the box top and get the coupons, there may be a sense that 'the company cares' and a customer is retained.

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      Tomz_KV
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      So much is involved in production. Sounds not easy to make a profit.

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      • D den2k88

        Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

        would be to weigh the cans as they come off the conveyor belt.

        They do. They simply go too fast for checkweighters to be useful.

        Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

        than invest in the necessary machinery

        They're also doing so, each year they buy a freaking lot of new machines to substitute those that they can - sometimes though their production environments are too cramped and can't accomodate different machines unless they redesign the whole chain. so not all factories have the latest QA machines.

        * CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.

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        Daniel Pfeffer
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        den2k88 wrote:

        Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

        would be to weigh the cans as they come off the conveyor belt.

        They do. They simply go too fast for checkweighters to be useful.

        OK, so weigh the six-pack or the 24-pack or whatever. A difference of 330 grams in the weight of those should still be easily detectable, and require much fewer weighings. Your comment about the space on the production line makes sense; redesigning an entire factory layout in order to remove a (presumably tiny) number of errors is probably not at the top of their list... :)

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        • T Tomz_KV

          So much is involved in production. Sounds not easy to make a profit.

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          Daniel Pfeffer
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          Yup. Process-control engineers certainly earn their pay!

          If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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          • T Tomz_KV

            Loaded a case of diet coke into office refrigerator and found this: an unopened empty can. How could this pass the quality control?

            TOMZ_KV

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            Lost User
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            Phht, it's diet coke - hows a programmer supposed to work without energy to keep his brain functioning? some already mentioned the empty makes it super-diet another benefit is less weird sweetner chemicals win-win now go and buy proper coca-cola.

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              Phht, it's diet coke - hows a programmer supposed to work without energy to keep his brain functioning? some already mentioned the empty makes it super-diet another benefit is less weird sweetner chemicals win-win now go and buy proper coca-cola.

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              Tomz_KV
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              :thumbsup:

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              • T Tomz_KV

                Loaded a case of diet coke into office refrigerator and found this: an unopened empty can. How could this pass the quality control?

                TOMZ_KV

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                dan sh
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                That one might be for me since I don't drink soft drinks.

                "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                • D Daniel Pfeffer

                  Yup. Process-control engineers certainly earn their pay!

                  If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                  Tomz_KV
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                  Some are .NET developers too.

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                  • D dan sh

                    That one might be for me since I don't drink soft drinks.

                    "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                    You do not know what you have missed so far. :laugh:

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                    • T Tomz_KV

                      Loaded a case of diet coke into office refrigerator and found this: an unopened empty can. How could this pass the quality control?

                      TOMZ_KV

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                      Version 3.3 of the automation code was written by someone who only drinks vegetable juice. So of course it had a bug.

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                      • J jschell

                        Version 3.3 of the automation code was written by someone who only drinks vegetable juice. So of course it had a bug.

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                        Good one. See what next version looks like, written by an alcoholic. :laugh: ;P

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                        • T Tomz_KV

                          Loaded a case of diet coke into office refrigerator and found this: an unopened empty can. How could this pass the quality control?

                          TOMZ_KV

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                          How could this pass the quality control?

                          Diet coke? Empty can is best quality.

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                          • P phil o

                            I guess you found the only can which was really "diet" :)

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                            patbob
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                            phil.o wrote:

                            I guess you found the only can which was really "diet"

                            Not at all.. the can with just air in it is only 0 calories, whereas the one with cold diet soda in it is negative calories.

                            I live in Oregon, and I'm an engineer.

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                              phil.o wrote:

                              I guess you found the only can which was really "diet"

                              Not at all.. the can with just air in it is only 0 calories, whereas the one with cold diet soda in it is negative calories.

                              I live in Oregon, and I'm an engineer.

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                              phil o
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                              Oh yes, I see what you mean: calories you have to spend to open the can. Nicely spotted! :)

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                                How could this pass the quality control?

                                Diet coke? Empty can is best quality.

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                                Their quality engineers must be .Net developers, and control quality logically.

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                                • T Tomz_KV

                                  Loaded a case of diet coke into office refrigerator and found this: an unopened empty can. How could this pass the quality control?

                                  TOMZ_KV

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                                  Joe Woodbury
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                                  Perhaps there was a tiny leak in the can.

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                                  • T Tomz_KV

                                    You do not know what you have missed so far. :laugh:

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                                    dan sh
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                                    Carbonated sugary liquid which may or may not have harmful chemicals? I can live with lack of it. I got beer.

                                    "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                                    • J Joe Woodbury

                                      Perhaps there was a tiny leak in the can.

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                                      Tomz_KV
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                                      It wss a possibility. But no mess was found in the case.

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                                      • D dan sh

                                        Carbonated sugary liquid which may or may not have harmful chemicals? I can live with lack of it. I got beer.

                                        "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                                        Tomz_KV
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                                        Your choice for drinks is certainly better.

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                                        • T Tomz_KV

                                          Your choice for drinks is certainly better.

                                          TOMZ_KV

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                                          dan sh
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                                          Not really. It has only been around 4 years that I have discovered microbreweries in the places where I have lived. I traveled a lot from 2010 through 2015 (filled up the passport). I used to rely on giants of the industry and the popular ones in the city where I was. Then, one of the colleagues took me to a place where I saw bottles I had never seen before. I tried them and loved them. I was told these are from small breweries around the town. So, there is a very good chance that it is not really artificially carbonated. Also, they were more, well, fresher than assembly line beers. That day and now, I stick with micro-breweries. From past few months Bira 91[^] has been the choice. It's available in New York if you want to try.

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