What's this called in English?
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Leasing. :D At least that's what one company I worked for called it -- I was leased to the company that needed the work done.
That sounds good too, but I was looking for "outsourcing". We use the term "lease" for cars mostly. I've got a leasecar myself :D
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I'm landlorded to company B? That sounds very weird... :^)
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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You're a contractor... not an independent contractor but just a regular contractor that goes through another agency. From the real employer's perspective (ie, the company with the money like company B), they do this when they want a temporary employee or want to try out an employee before bringing them on full-time. This happens a lot in tech actually. Contracts can be indefinite, contract-to-hire, or for a fixed amount of time. The real employer benefits by less red tape and regulations from dealing with the employee. They don't pay extra in tax, UI insurance, etc. The good news is, that extra money is typically passed on to company A and if you negotiate right then you. The bad news is you're easier to get rid of than a normal employee. Welcome to life. :)
Jeremy Falcon
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Yep, like Eddy says :D
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You're a contractor... not an independent contractor but just a regular contractor that goes through another agency. From the real employer's perspective (ie, the company with the money like company B), they do this when they want a temporary employee or want to try out an employee before bringing them on full-time. This happens a lot in tech actually. Contracts can be indefinite, contract-to-hire, or for a fixed amount of time. The real employer benefits by less red tape and regulations from dealing with the employee. They don't pay extra in tax, UI insurance, etc. The good news is, that extra money is typically passed on to company A and if you negotiate right then you. The bad news is you're easier to get rid of than a normal employee. Welcome to life. :)
Jeremy Falcon
It's not completely like that. Company B does not have the intention of keeping me or bringing me in full time. Likewise, company A is investing in me so I have more knowledge so more companies would want me and they can sell me for more money. They don't want to get rid of me! Company B just pays the bill company A sends them every month and company A pays for me, my car, my education, retirement, insurance, etc. Company B can ditch me whenever, but if company A wants to ditch me they'll have to do quite a bit of trouble :)
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I'm landlorded to company B? That sounds very weird... :^)
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It's not completely like that. Company B does not have the intention of keeping me or bringing me in full time. Likewise, company A is investing in me so I have more knowledge so more companies would want me and they can sell me for more money. They don't want to get rid of me! Company B just pays the bill company A sends them every month and company A pays for me, my car, my education, retirement, insurance, etc. Company B can ditch me whenever, but if company A wants to ditch me they'll have to do quite a bit of trouble :)
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Except I don't have land or a building I'm renting out. Does "landlord" have some other obscure meaning I'm not aware of? :~
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Outsourcing is the term I was looking for! :thumbsup: I'm not doing contract work, I'm employed and outsourced.
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Gotcha. I have no idea about employment laws in the Netherlands... so my stuff is US-centric. I am curious to know though, is company B in the same country?
Jeremy Falcon
Yeah, company B is in the same country. In my case it's even pretty close to company A, about a 20 minute drive. I don't think we have customers outside of the Netherlands.
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It's not completely like that. Company B does not have the intention of keeping me or bringing me in full time. Likewise, company A is investing in me so I have more knowledge so more companies would want me and they can sell me for more money. They don't want to get rid of me! Company B just pays the bill company A sends them every month and company A pays for me, my car, my education, retirement, insurance, etc. Company B can ditch me whenever, but if company A wants to ditch me they'll have to do quite a bit of trouble :)
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I think that the American "contractor" is similar to someone who works project-based; that is roughly what you are doing, temp-work, based on being rented from your current company.
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Yeah, company B is in the same country. In my case it's even pretty close to company A, about a 20 minute drive. I don't think we have customers outside of the Netherlands.
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Ok... I'm not sure what to call that then, so I reckon outsourced is a good a term as any. :laugh: Could be considered a consultant perhaps? As a non-independent consultant then company A may keep you and retain you and send you off to whatever company that pays them for your expertise.
Jeremy Falcon
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Ok... I'm not sure what to call that then, so I reckon outsourced is a good a term as any. :laugh: Could be considered a consultant perhaps? As a non-independent consultant then company A may keep you and retain you and send you off to whatever company that pays them for your expertise.
Jeremy Falcon
Consultant sounds pretty good! :thumbsup:
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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There is no english word for that. I suspect that even in Dutch the word is a colloquialism. In the US your position would probably be described that you work for a "consulting" company. If there was no actual company A or it was your company and you were the sole employee (which is possible) then you would be a "consultant". So rephrasing what you originally said.... You work for Company A. Company A is a consulting company. Company A has a contract with Company B and as such your current project is to work with Company B as a consultant.
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Don't hate da playa... hate the game. :-D
Jeremy Falcon
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There is no english word for that. I suspect that even in Dutch the word is a colloquialism. In the US your position would probably be described that you work for a "consulting" company. If there was no actual company A or it was your company and you were the sole employee (which is possible) then you would be a "consultant". So rephrasing what you originally said.... You work for Company A. Company A is a consulting company. Company A has a contract with Company B and as such your current project is to work with Company B as a consultant.
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In the US your position would probably be described that you work for a "consulting" company.
I also agree that's the best term to go with. :thumbsup:
Jeremy Falcon
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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The correct term in English is "benched" as in you are on the bench (a sporting term) until a new gig arises. This is a pretty common term amongst contractors that work through body-shops or consultancies.
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Except I don't have land or a building I'm renting out. Does "landlord" have some other obscure meaning I'm not aware of? :~
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In Business yes. And it (landlord) is not generally bad. I'm exactly employed in that way, let me try to explain: I was originally employed by B, became part of a bigger Organisation where A is also a member. Do to some restructions and optimizations (financial, organisation and much more locations) the Team "B" was moved (organizational whise) to A... but our main Job is to work for B. So I'm employed finally from "landlord" A, which in my case was a very big Advantage, because A is financially very strong (at present B became also strong, so that is not longer a point) but working for B. Sorry for my bad English. I hope you get an idea what I try to say. If not it is also not a big Thing in history :-D
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So I work for company A (they pay my salary), but they put me to work at company B (they pay company A). So while I'm officially employed by company A I don't really know the people there and I spent most of my time at B building their product. Until company B decides they don't need me anymore and I'm out (company A can't easily do that because we have laws that protect employees and such). Once company B decides I have to go (or when I decide I don't want to work for company B anymore), company A will find a new company for me to work at. This is actually pretty common practice in the Netherlands. In Dutch we say that company A does "detachering" and I'm "gedetacheerd" at company B. But what is this called in English? Google is of little help, apparently I'm "detached" (maybe from reality, but not from my job!) :laugh: For "detachering" I find something like "secondment", but that doesn't sound well. Am I "seconded" at company B? Does company A do "secondment"? Is "detachering" not something other countries do (often)?
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"Contract employee" In other words, your an employee of an agency whose services other companies contract for.
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