Are we too old?
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Sir, that does not count: you aged very well, and I know you are interested in mobile development. ;)
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1. Desktop 2. Mobile (-46) 3. Mainframe (-14) Does it mean we are an old community, or that all the hype over mobile not real?
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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1. Desktop 2. Mobile (-46) 3. Mainframe (-14) Does it mean we are an old community, or that all the hype over mobile not real?
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Old but not beaten yet, or to cite our local motto "Luctor et Emergo" :-\
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1. Desktop 2. Mobile (-46) 3. Mainframe (-14) Does it mean we are an old community, or that all the hype over mobile not real?
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Yes we are but as for me, I can't help it. I never coded against a mainframe but checked it because there wasn't a choice for mini computers. LSI-11/23, Microvax etc which I did code against.
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1. Desktop 2. Mobile (-46) 3. Mainframe (-14) Does it mean we are an old community, or that all the hype over mobile not real?
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
1. A self-selected survey is not scientifically accurate. 2. There is a great need for programmers for all types of machines, from mainframes to microcontrollers. 3. Mobile programmers have their place, but it is not nearly as important as the Press would have you believe.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
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1. Desktop 2. Mobile (-46) 3. Mainframe (-14) Does it mean we are an old community, or that all the hype over mobile not real?
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Mobile is the most popular interface - it gets the in your face time. But it still needs the server hosting the data and the info/web server. so basically while the mobile gets all the kudos, it's really only a fancy "dumb terminal." Given that many younguns wouldn't know what that means, it just proves us oldies still know and understand more.
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1. A self-selected survey is not scientifically accurate. 2. There is a great need for programmers for all types of machines, from mainframes to microcontrollers. 3. Mobile programmers have their place, but it is not nearly as important as the Press would have you believe.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
A self-selected survey is not scientifically accurate.
But it even has a name: Statistics...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
A self-selected survey is not scientifically accurate.
But it even has a name: Statistics...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
You know what they say - there are lies, damned lies, and statistics. :)
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
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:laugh: :thumbsup:
Jeremy Falcon
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1. Desktop 2. Mobile (-46) 3. Mainframe (-14) Does it mean we are an old community, or that all the hype over mobile not real?
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
So we either adapt or get left behind too poop in our adult diapers.
Jeremy Falcon
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1. Desktop 2. Mobile (-46) 3. Mainframe (-14) Does it mean we are an old community, or that all the hype over mobile not real?
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
It means the bulk of software development is still on things with keyboards. Lots of people seem to forget that.
cheers Chris Maunder
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Mobile is real. If you are over 35, you are too old for this industry. Try having fun instead of killing yourself, "trying" to keep up with those that are younger, smarter, and require less sleep then you do. Yes, we are wise, but that really doesn't mean shit, now does it?
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The first system I worked on (LEO III/6: Leo Computers Society. Leo 3 photos[^] ) had magnetic tape but no random access storage. Main memory of 16K and a processor that played sounds so you could hear when certain regular programs were nearing the end of processing.
Ahhh what we're talking about here is "real computers". Not terribly dissimilar to the ICL System 4's I cut my teeth on in the late 70's. Curiously enough, one of the links on that page was to an Aussie ICL/Leo reunion and behold! there were four guys that I worked with when I was an (ICL) engineer in Melbourne from '88 to 93....
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can. “We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone "The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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1. Desktop 2. Mobile (-46) 3. Mainframe (-14) Does it mean we are an old community, or that all the hype over mobile not real?
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
I'd say, it dependso on where you sit and whom you're listening to. Case in example: Loads of IT news, including on CodeProject, is about web stuff. And not few JS programmers just talk about JS and their web stuff like it was a general IT truth. They don't begin with "The following article and the findings I present apply to the web and web only, I absolutely ignore desktop programming and I literally couldn't care less about embedded programming." They just present their findings as a general truth wihch, in their respective field, is absolutely right. I, as a desktop/embedded programmer used to get bewildered by that, simply because what they're saying isn't true for my field. I think, the whole mobile buzz and how important it is is another case of "not my field".
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You don't know what old is. I learned to program my first computer in 1966, pure machine code keyed in instruction by instruction on the front panel.
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1. Desktop 2. Mobile (-46) 3. Mainframe (-14) Does it mean we are an old community, or that all the hype over mobile not real?
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Could you really buy a mobile phone in 1946 in your part of the world? Here in Norway, they didn't arrive until 20 years later, in 1966, and the setup had to go through an operator. I also was unaware of computers at the time of WW1. I have always been thinking of the IBM 360 series as the first true "mainframe" computer, but that didn't arrive on the scene until 1963. I still got my old desktop from when I was a school boy; I believe I got it in 1968. But if you are talking compuers, I guess it didn't arrive until 1973. I didn't use one until the early 80s, though, when I was working with a company that was considering the not-yet-released GEM for their new PC line (we ended up with Windows 1.0, though - and I guess my contribution to that decision was significant).
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Ahhh what we're talking about here is "real computers". Not terribly dissimilar to the ICL System 4's I cut my teeth on in the late 70's. Curiously enough, one of the links on that page was to an Aussie ICL/Leo reunion and behold! there were four guys that I worked with when I was an (ICL) engineer in Melbourne from '88 to 93....
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can. “We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone "The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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Mobile is real. If you are over 35, you are too old for this industry. Try having fun instead of killing yourself, "trying" to keep up with those that are younger, smarter, and require less sleep then you do. Yes, we are wise, but that really doesn't mean shit, now does it?
Not really. There are two industries inside our industry. One is a lottery and the other one is knowledge based. Lottery are shining web thingies and mobile apps. Products that, given sufficient supply of coke, coffee, and weeks, can be replicated by any group of students, anywhere. It's a lottery because you have to be on the right place in the right time to succeed. There is only one Twitter, even if the underlying app is less than impressive. Its capital today is the content crowd, not the app. And than there are things that random groups of students can't replicate. In years. Because they are just too hard. Like DBMS servers, rockets, self-driving cars, pacemakers, etc. Hence ... if you want a long lasting career in programming ... you have to grow out of the lottery stuff. My 0.05£.
