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They're only "murder weapons" when someone uses them for that purpose, like arrows, knives, bats, rope, cars, plastic bags, stairs, what have you. The Amendments were crafted by men who recognized the natural right to self defense and freedom from oppression.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Pointless gesture. For all you know, the gun was already inoperable, meaning he couldn't sell it if he wanted to. Inherited last year when my dad passed way: - A Mk V Webley revolver (circa 1957) that had the bore smoothed out and the barrel threaded to accept a choke, so it could be used as a varmint gun. I haven't looked into it yet, but I think it takes a 410 shotgun shell. The modifications have rendered it essentially unsellable, so I'm gonna wait for a police gun buy-back event and maybe turn it in for cash because cutting up a gun on youtube is nothing more than sensationalist gun-grabber appeasement. - A U.S. Revolver Company top-break .22LR revolver (circa 1919) that is simply a piece of crap, and I'm afraid to fire it. the crappy nickel plating is decaying, and the trigger pull is way to heavy to make it accurate in any sense of the term. As far as I'm concerned, it's also a candidate for a buy-back program because it has no collectible value at all. - Taurus 82B4 .38 special revolver that I inherited from my father-in-law. Taurus isn't exactly known for making a quality firearm, plus, it's the only gun I have that uses .38 special ammo, so I'll probably sell it (it's probably worth $200 or so). - Winchester Model 94 .30-30 lever action (circa 1956) that's never been fired or even had a round chambered in it. My dad bought this the year I was born, and when I took possession of it, it came with a leather rifle case and two 10-round boxes of ammo, as well as the receipt showing he paid $89 for it at Sears. I'm in the process of changing the sights (globe site on the front and a Marbles tang sight in the back, and plan to shoot the hell out of it (but not with the original ammo, because it's over 60 years old). Guns I've bought (and still have): - An AR-15 that I built myself from a pile of parts, chambered in 5.56, and with a full set of optics. - Springfield 1911 (GI model) pistol in .45ACP that I sent to Springfield's custom shop to improve operation and accuracy - RIA 1911 which I bought used and had to replace everything but the frame and slide (and yeah, I did the work instead of taking it to a gunsmith). It's more accurate than my Springfield. - Henry H001T .22 lever action rifle that I used for competitive shooting - Mossberg 20-guage pump-action shotgun I would like to note that NONE of the guns listed above are responsible for any shootings, mass or otherwise. I see myself as a reasonable American, and white on top of that.
I get it, it's probably a very cool hobby. Nobody doubts that you in particular are a reasonable and safe gun owner. But it's not about you it's about statistics. It's about the crazy one in a million and when you have such lax laws it's just a matter of time until the next massacre. That is why you have speed limits per example, most people are reasonable responsible drivers who would slow down in a school area, but there is this one in a thousand, who would speed up and kill someone. You are certainly smart enough to realize that.
throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart.
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I get it, it's probably a very cool hobby. Nobody doubts that you in particular are a reasonable and safe gun owner. But it's not about you it's about statistics. It's about the crazy one in a million and when you have such lax laws it's just a matter of time until the next massacre. That is why you have speed limits per example, most people are reasonable responsible drivers who would slow down in a school area, but there is this one in a thousand, who would speed up and kill someone. You are certainly smart enough to realize that.
throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart.
Stable Genius wrote:
It's about the crazy one in a million and when you have such lax laws it's just a matter of time until the next massacre.
If it's about the "crazy 1 in a million", why should *I* - as a rational and responsible gun owner - be subjected to additional laws and restrictions that INCLUDE threatening to get the 2nd Amendment repealed? Laws and restrictions only serve to infringe on the 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens, and do NOTHING to effectively keep guns out of the hands of people bent on visiting evil on the world.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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Stable Genius wrote:
It's about the crazy one in a million and when you have such lax laws it's just a matter of time until the next massacre.
If it's about the "crazy 1 in a million", why should *I* - as a rational and responsible gun owner - be subjected to additional laws and restrictions that INCLUDE threatening to get the 2nd Amendment repealed? Laws and restrictions only serve to infringe on the 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens, and do NOTHING to effectively keep guns out of the hands of people bent on visiting evil on the world.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
If it's about the "crazy 1 in a million", why should *I* - as a rational and responsible gun owner - be subjected to additional laws and restrictions that INCLUDE threatening to get the 2nd Amendment repealed? Laws and restrictions only serve to infringe on the 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens, and do NOTHING to effectively keep guns out of the hands of people bent on visiting evil on the world.
Because everybody is a law abiding citizen until he isn't and you are wrong that it will do nothing to keep guns from potential criminals. Less assault rifles will certainly mean less danger. Simple statistic.
throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
If it's about the "crazy 1 in a million", why should *I* - as a rational and responsible gun owner - be subjected to additional laws and restrictions that INCLUDE threatening to get the 2nd Amendment repealed? Laws and restrictions only serve to infringe on the 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens, and do NOTHING to effectively keep guns out of the hands of people bent on visiting evil on the world.
Because everybody is a law abiding citizen until he isn't and you are wrong that it will do nothing to keep guns from potential criminals. Less assault rifles will certainly mean less danger. Simple statistic.
throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart.
- There's no such thing as an "assault rifle". Even the ATF admits it's a term that someone made up to make black rifles more scary to the general (and uninformed) public. 1) Strict gun laws work? Really? Tell that to the people in Chicago, LA, New York, etc. Gun laws don't prevent criminals from getting guns. At all. It's a proven fact. Why do y'all persist? You can't win this argument.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
- There's no such thing as an "assault rifle". Even the ATF admits it's a term that someone made up to make black rifles more scary to the general (and uninformed) public. 1) Strict gun laws work? Really? Tell that to the people in Chicago, LA, New York, etc. Gun laws don't prevent criminals from getting guns. At all. It's a proven fact. Why do y'all persist? You can't win this argument.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Assault rifle is an accurate term, regardless of political/media slant. I don't buy this reasoning.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Even the ATF admits it's a term that someone made up to make black rifles more scary
So, non-black assault weapons are not scary?
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
You can't win this argument.
Neither can you. Looks like Trump is going to ban bump stocks. That is a start.
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Assault rifle is an accurate term, regardless of political/media slant. I don't buy this reasoning.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Even the ATF admits it's a term that someone made up to make black rifles more scary
So, non-black assault weapons are not scary?
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
You can't win this argument.
Neither can you. Looks like Trump is going to ban bump stocks. That is a start.
Slacker007 wrote:
So, non-black assault weapons are not scary?
Funny you should ask. :) Ruger makes a semi-automatic rifle (like an AR-15) is chambered in the same caliber as an AR15 (.223/5.56), and that accepts the same magazine as an AR-15, yet is not considered an "assault rifle". Why? Because it's sold with a standard wooden stock (like most hunting rifles).
Slacker007 wrote:
Looks like Trump is going to ban bump stocks. That is a start.
I've always viewed the bump-stock as a gimmick that sacrifices accuracy in the name of simulated automatic fire, and not worth my time. Banning accessories is pointless, is a token gesture at best, and is not related to the Florida school shooting. Besides that, Trump cannot ban bump-stocks. That is a legislative act, and he is in the executive branch.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Did you ever visit the NRA web site? I did.
throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart.
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Slacker007 wrote:
So, non-black assault weapons are not scary?
Funny you should ask. :) Ruger makes a semi-automatic rifle (like an AR-15) is chambered in the same caliber as an AR15 (.223/5.56), and that accepts the same magazine as an AR-15, yet is not considered an "assault rifle". Why? Because it's sold with a standard wooden stock (like most hunting rifles).
Slacker007 wrote:
Looks like Trump is going to ban bump stocks. That is a start.
I've always viewed the bump-stock as a gimmick that sacrifices accuracy in the name of simulated automatic fire, and not worth my time. Banning accessories is pointless, is a token gesture at best, and is not related to the Florida school shooting. Besides that, Trump cannot ban bump-stocks. That is a legislative act, and he is in the executive branch.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013The bump stock was used in the Las Vegas shooting. Trump wants to ban it. He has asked Sessions to start the process. Process complete. Bump stock banned. Trump banned the bump stock.
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The bump stock was used in the Las Vegas shooting. Trump wants to ban it. He has asked Sessions to start the process. Process complete. Bump stock banned. Trump banned the bump stock.
I'm aware of where it was allegedly used, but Trump doesn't necessarily want to ban it. Talking about banning it is a token gesture to get the gun grabbers to STFU.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
When I leave the house, I always have a pistol in the car - even when I go to car shows. The pistol is in a holster, and is in contition-1 status (cocked and locked, with one in the pipe, and the thumb safety is on) unless I'm cleaning it. I like 1911's because I feel they're safer than Glocks (Glocks don't have a thumb safety, and aren't heavy enough to beat your opponent to death if you run out of ammo). I ain't Rambo, and don't pretend to be, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Stable Genius wrote:
Did you ever visit the NRA web site?
No need. I don't own guns.
Stable Genius wrote:
I did.
Good for you. What does any of this have to do with your racist comment?
It's not racist, I'm white myself. But I was really surprised I admit. Most of the gun owners on youtube and elsewhere on the Internet talking about this are quite the opposite of reasonable and guess what color they are.
throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart.
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Stable Genius wrote:
It's about the crazy one in a million and when you have such lax laws it's just a matter of time until the next massacre.
If it's about the "crazy 1 in a million", why should *I* - as a rational and responsible gun owner - be subjected to additional laws and restrictions that INCLUDE threatening to get the 2nd Amendment repealed? Laws and restrictions only serve to infringe on the 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens, and do NOTHING to effectively keep guns out of the hands of people bent on visiting evil on the world.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
why should *I* - as a rational and responsible gun owner - be subjected to additional laws and restrictions that INCLUDE threatening to get the 2nd Amendment repealed?
Either you agree to have your RIGHTS curbed or you make it easy for anyone to buy a semi-automatic rifle and murder kids and teachers at school. It's a fairly simple choice.
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They're only "murder weapons" when someone uses them for that purpose, like arrows, knives, bats, rope, cars, plastic bags, stairs, what have you. The Amendments were crafted by men who recognized the natural right to self defense and freedom from oppression.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013They are tools that are exclusively designed for murder on a large scale, unlike knives, ropes and cars. There are no maurauding bands of pirates you need to fend of, and hence, you don't need cannons. The right to self-defense does not mean that you need to be able to buy submargines and jet-fighters. Like nuclear missiles - you don't need them, and you having those weapons is creating a risc. You're not allowed to take those things on a plane, because the introduction of the tool is more dangerous than those bogeymen that you claim are out to get you. Grow up.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I caught my rifle laying on the couch with its magazines spread out for all to see. I wonder how it got there...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Does it have a center folding stock?
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like. Dave
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So, as soon as you need a gun, Eddy is like - "the cops are only 10 minutes away!" American gun owners just shakes their head in disbelief. (Canadian - non-gun owners meanwhile take shots at either side. :-\ )
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like. Dave
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
why should *I* - as a rational and responsible gun owner - be subjected to additional laws and restrictions that INCLUDE threatening to get the 2nd Amendment repealed?
Either you agree to have your RIGHTS curbed or you make it easy for anyone to buy a semi-automatic rifle and murder kids and teachers at school. It's a fairly simple choice.
I refuse to negotiate where my rights are concerned.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
So, as soon as you need a gun, Eddy is like - "the cops are only 10 minutes away!" American gun owners just shakes their head in disbelief. (Canadian - non-gun owners meanwhile take shots at either side. :-\ )
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like. Dave
DRHuff wrote:
So, as soon as you need a gun, Eddy is like - "the cops are only 10 minutes away!"
I have never needed a gun; didn't need any at the attempted robbery either.
DRHuff wrote:
American gun owners just shakes their head in disbelief.
An American would have been shot with his own gun, in that place. What would John do in my place? Ask them people to wait while he fetches his gun from the car? :rolleyes:
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I refuse to negotiate where my rights are concerned.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013So you've made your choice and there's nothing wrong with that, as long as you realise that choices have consequences. Of course some might think that they have a responsibility to their fellow man to consider the lives of children to be more important than their right to own a piece of metal that they don't really need. But if you think your rights are more important than your responsibilities then who am I to argue.
