Assault weapons
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We had laws that allowed people to own guns. What's the difference? Oh right...constitutions can't be amended so the second amendment can't ever be undone :doh:
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Oh right...constitutions can't be amended so the second amendment can't ever be undone
Ignorance is eveidently bliss. There are in fact two ways to amend the Constitution. 0) Congress, by 2/3 vote of both the house and senate, could approve amendments. Given our current political disparity, neither side would likely get the votes they need to pull that off. Amendments 11-27 were created in this way. 1) Convene an "Article V Convention". This has never happened before, probably due to the inherent danger it poses to the Constitution itself. An Article V Convention itself is a slippery slope, in that the convention can do ANYTHING to the constitution that the majority of the delegates approve, including - but not limited to - changing or outright repealing of existing amendments. Sure, the delegates can claim they're only going to do this or that, but there are no rules or laws that say they have to abide by their stated agenda. A convention can be called when 34 states (or 2/3 of the states) call for one. However, delegates are appointed rather than voted for, so the people's wishes are not likely to be fully/accurately represented. Congress has no authority other than to call the convention when 34 state applications have been submitted. I am steadfastly opposed to an Article V Convention. Advocates claim they need one to better control the government, but my position is that the Constitution does a good job of that as it is. All we have to do is force our elected representatives to be constrained by it, as intended.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Not own guns... but rather bear arms. Consider the difference between a gun (sporting/hunting) and arms (military weapons). Just saying, you are redefining the Constitution for your own agenda and thinking that is not a slippery sloe. The same thing is being done with Freedom of Religion being redefined, and even Freedom of Speech - both of which are much more important to me. But I am not naive enough to think the whole issue isn't related.
Without a way to defend those rights, the 1st Amendment can be stripped away at the whim of your elected representatives.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
You mean I could be banned after I eat beans??!?
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Define an assault weapon.
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From what I've heard, they're black and made out of plastic.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Oh right...constitutions can't be amended so the second amendment can't ever be undone
Ignorance is eveidently bliss. There are in fact two ways to amend the Constitution. 0) Congress, by 2/3 vote of both the house and senate, could approve amendments. Given our current political disparity, neither side would likely get the votes they need to pull that off. Amendments 11-27 were created in this way. 1) Convene an "Article V Convention". This has never happened before, probably due to the inherent danger it poses to the Constitution itself. An Article V Convention itself is a slippery slope, in that the convention can do ANYTHING to the constitution that the majority of the delegates approve, including - but not limited to - changing or outright repealing of existing amendments. Sure, the delegates can claim they're only going to do this or that, but there are no rules or laws that say they have to abide by their stated agenda. A convention can be called when 34 states (or 2/3 of the states) call for one. However, delegates are appointed rather than voted for, so the people's wishes are not likely to be fully/accurately represented. Congress has no authority other than to call the convention when 34 state applications have been submitted. I am steadfastly opposed to an Article V Convention. Advocates claim they need one to better control the government, but my position is that the Constitution does a good job of that as it is. All we have to do is force our elected representatives to be constrained by it, as intended.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
There are in fact two ways to amend the Constitution
So there was no ignorance in my post ergo your first remark was kind of silly, no?
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Short barrel, automatic fire. The first was the German sturmgewehr, the most famous the AK 47, M16. They are for one thing. Killing people, that is why they should be banned.
You already can't own a fully-automatic weapon, so the ban you're suggesting is already in place, and has been since 1934.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Contrary to popular belief among far-right, gun-nuts conservatives, gun control is not about removing the second amendment or to take away their guns. This has been explained a lot.
False. Gun control advocates have announced - several times - that the end goal is to take away all the guns and repeal the 2nd Amendment in its entirety.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
No such thing as an "assault weapon".
Explain further.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
hat it won't be a slippery slope.
Even if it is, would you rather continue to have more mass shootings then? Do you have a solution? What is more likely, that our government will turn on its citizens or that another mass shooting will take place?
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
011111100010 wrote:
Explain further
The ATF has even said that the term "assault weapon" was "politically contrived". Given that the mainstream media is a state-controlled asset, they were used to propagate the use of the term.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
011111100010 wrote:
Explain further
The ATF has even said that the term "assault weapon" was "politically contrived". Given that the mainstream media is a state-controlled asset, they were used to propagate the use of the term.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
False. Gun control advocates have announced - several times - that the end goal is to take away all the guns and repeal the 2nd Amendment in its entirety.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
It's when "The ting goes skrrrahh, pap, pap, ka-ka-ka Skibiki-pap-pap, and a pu-pu-pudrrrr-boom Skya, du-du-ku-ku-dun-dun Poom, poom" Then it's an assault rifle.
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You already can't own a fully-automatic weapon, so the ban you're suggesting is already in place, and has been since 1934.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
You already can't own a fully-automatic weapon
Can't buy one, however you can still inherit unless I'm mistaken. Former colleague of mine had inherited his grandfather's Thompson, came with a lot of paperwork.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Shotguns, hunting rifles, target rifles, target pistols. Antiques of all sorts.
Apart from shotguns (which I mentioned) and antiques, the rest are banned in mainland UK too. Even our Olympic shooting team had to leave the country to practice.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
the rest are banned in mainland UK too
No they arent.
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Pualee wrote:
you are redefining the Constitution for your own agenda
How so? And I'll pay you $100 if you can tell me what my agenda is. :doh:
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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HobbyProggy wrote:
skrrrahh, pap, pap, ka-ka-ka Skibiki-pap-pap, and a pu-pu-pudrrrr-boom Skya, du-du-ku-ku-dun-dun Poom, poom
Sounds like something them young'uns would listen to at the club... actually can we just ban dubstep while we're at it?
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Per your OP, the agenda is to ban assault weapons, while keeping the Constitution "in tact" through ownership of non "assault weapons". You have redefined what "arms" are, by implying it a right to own guns (which is in your second post).
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
You already can't own a fully-automatic weapon
Can't buy one, however you can still inherit unless I'm mistaken. Former colleague of mine had inherited his grandfather's Thompson, came with a lot of paperwork.
RJOberg wrote:
Can't buy one, however you can still inherit unless I'm mistaken
You are mistaken. For transfers of Class III devices, He had to pass the background check to take possession, and pay a "tax". And even though he has it, there's probably few, if any, places he can even legally shoot it. None of my local ranges allow fully automatic weapons fire.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
RJOberg wrote:
Can't buy one, however you can still inherit unless I'm mistaken
You are mistaken. For transfers of Class III devices, He had to pass the background check to take possession, and pay a "tax". And even though he has it, there's probably few, if any, places he can even legally shoot it. None of my local ranges allow fully automatic weapons fire.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013So, you can inherit if you pass a check and pay the fairly low stamp fee/tax. Not without a hoop or two but certainly possible.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
None of my local ranges allow fully automatic weapons fire.
I think Vegas is closer for you, but I've one about 30 minutes away in WI which allows it, even has a few for rent.
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Link(s) please? And, please, no links to some extremist fringe group.
Dem Rep. Himes: Nobody Wants To Take Away Guns, We Just Want To Be Like Australia, Canada & Great Britain | Video | RealClearPolitics[^] I don't really have time to google any more, the references are out there.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Dem Rep. Himes: Nobody Wants To Take Away Guns, We Just Want To Be Like Australia, Canada & Great Britain | Video | RealClearPolitics[^] I don't really have time to google any more, the references are out there.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I don't really have time to google any more, the references are out there.
I tried, but cannot find a reference to a mainstream group (or call them whatever) that advocate the complete repeal of 2nd amendment. And you did not convince me that gun control is about repealing the 2nd amendment or take away your gun. Obama (your favorite politician) has clearly stated it. [Here is the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6imFvSua3Kg) but you probably won't watch it.
