Assault weapons
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False. Gun control advocates have announced - several times - that the end goal is to take away all the guns and repeal the 2nd Amendment in its entirety.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Link(s) please? And, please, no links to some extremist fringe group.
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It's when "The ting goes skrrrahh, pap, pap, ka-ka-ka Skibiki-pap-pap, and a pu-pu-pudrrrr-boom Skya, du-du-ku-ku-dun-dun Poom, poom" Then it's an assault rifle.
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You already can't own a fully-automatic weapon, so the ban you're suggesting is already in place, and has been since 1934.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Shotguns, hunting rifles, target rifles, target pistols. Antiques of all sorts.
Apart from shotguns (which I mentioned) and antiques, the rest are banned in mainland UK too. Even our Olympic shooting team had to leave the country to practice.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
the rest are banned in mainland UK too
No they arent.
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Pualee wrote:
you are redefining the Constitution for your own agenda
How so? And I'll pay you $100 if you can tell me what my agenda is. :doh:
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HobbyProggy wrote:
skrrrahh, pap, pap, ka-ka-ka Skibiki-pap-pap, and a pu-pu-pudrrrr-boom Skya, du-du-ku-ku-dun-dun Poom, poom
Sounds like something them young'uns would listen to at the club... actually can we just ban dubstep while we're at it?
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Per your OP, the agenda is to ban assault weapons, while keeping the Constitution "in tact" through ownership of non "assault weapons". You have redefined what "arms" are, by implying it a right to own guns (which is in your second post).
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
You already can't own a fully-automatic weapon
Can't buy one, however you can still inherit unless I'm mistaken. Former colleague of mine had inherited his grandfather's Thompson, came with a lot of paperwork.
RJOberg wrote:
Can't buy one, however you can still inherit unless I'm mistaken
You are mistaken. For transfers of Class III devices, He had to pass the background check to take possession, and pay a "tax". And even though he has it, there's probably few, if any, places he can even legally shoot it. None of my local ranges allow fully automatic weapons fire.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
RJOberg wrote:
Can't buy one, however you can still inherit unless I'm mistaken
You are mistaken. For transfers of Class III devices, He had to pass the background check to take possession, and pay a "tax". And even though he has it, there's probably few, if any, places he can even legally shoot it. None of my local ranges allow fully automatic weapons fire.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013So, you can inherit if you pass a check and pay the fairly low stamp fee/tax. Not without a hoop or two but certainly possible.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
None of my local ranges allow fully automatic weapons fire.
I think Vegas is closer for you, but I've one about 30 minutes away in WI which allows it, even has a few for rent.
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Link(s) please? And, please, no links to some extremist fringe group.
Dem Rep. Himes: Nobody Wants To Take Away Guns, We Just Want To Be Like Australia, Canada & Great Britain | Video | RealClearPolitics[^] I don't really have time to google any more, the references are out there.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Dem Rep. Himes: Nobody Wants To Take Away Guns, We Just Want To Be Like Australia, Canada & Great Britain | Video | RealClearPolitics[^] I don't really have time to google any more, the references are out there.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I don't really have time to google any more, the references are out there.
I tried, but cannot find a reference to a mainstream group (or call them whatever) that advocate the complete repeal of 2nd amendment. And you did not convince me that gun control is about repealing the 2nd amendment or take away your gun. Obama (your favorite politician) has clearly stated it. [Here is the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6imFvSua3Kg) but you probably won't watch it.
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Assault weapons need to be illegal, period. Let's at least start there. And no, it's not a slippery slope, at least I hope not.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
There's just one slight problem with that assumption. How do you define a weapon as an assault weapon? It's a very general term. One way is to ban high capacity magazines. OK, what defines the capacity? I have a .22 rifle that has a 7 shot magazine; a varmint gun. Is it an assault weapon? The term assault weapon was coined by people who are ignorant of guns. An AR-15 is a .223 caliber weapon with high velocity. A .45 ACP carbine is a much larger round with a lower velocity. Which is more dangerous? Which would be deemed as an assault weapon? Is it automatic weapons or semi-automatic? AR-15's are semi-automatic. The bottom line is that anything, ie. baseball bat, can also be covered under the definition of assault weapon just like knives, hammers, and anything else you can attack someone with. You can't solve a problem by treating the system. You have to go to the source of the problem. What cause the shooter to kill all of those kids?
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others. Same thing when you are stupid.
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There's just one slight problem with that assumption. How do you define a weapon as an assault weapon? It's a very general term. One way is to ban high capacity magazines. OK, what defines the capacity? I have a .22 rifle that has a 7 shot magazine; a varmint gun. Is it an assault weapon? The term assault weapon was coined by people who are ignorant of guns. An AR-15 is a .223 caliber weapon with high velocity. A .45 ACP carbine is a much larger round with a lower velocity. Which is more dangerous? Which would be deemed as an assault weapon? Is it automatic weapons or semi-automatic? AR-15's are semi-automatic. The bottom line is that anything, ie. baseball bat, can also be covered under the definition of assault weapon just like knives, hammers, and anything else you can attack someone with. You can't solve a problem by treating the system. You have to go to the source of the problem. What cause the shooter to kill all of those kids?
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others. Same thing when you are stupid.
Donathan.Hutchings wrote:
There's just one slight problem with that assumption. How do you define a weapon as an assault weapon? It's a very general term. One way is to ban high capacity magazines. OK, what defines the capacity? I have a .22 rifle that has a 7 shot magazine; a varmint gun. Is it an assault weapon? The term assault weapon was coined by people who are ignorant of guns. An AR-15 is a .223 caliber weapon with high velocity. A .45 ACP carbine is a much larger round with a lower velocity. Which is more dangerous? Which would be deemed as an assault weapon? Is it automatic weapons or semi-automatic? AR-15's are semi-automatic.
This feel like an attempt at avoiding the issue and muddying the water. It is very clear that some guns are only intended to kill other people. How about starting with that.
Donathan.Hutchings wrote:
The bottom line is that anything, ie. baseball bat, can also be covered under the definition of assault weapon just like knives, hammers, and anything else you can attack someone with
You can't seriously compare what happened in Florida recently with a baseball bat. :doh: :wtf:
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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So, you can inherit if you pass a check and pay the fairly low stamp fee/tax. Not without a hoop or two but certainly possible.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
None of my local ranges allow fully automatic weapons fire.
I think Vegas is closer for you, but I've one about 30 minutes away in WI which allows it, even has a few for rent.
Passing the check for a class III weapon is more stringent - there's more paperwork to do, and the background check takes much longer. My point was that unlike non-Class III weapons, you can't simply inherit a machine gun without involving the government.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Assault weapons need to be illegal, period. Let's at least start there. And no, it's not a slippery slope, at least I hope not.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The 2nd amendment is specifically about military style weapons. You go hunting with a gun, you go to war with arms. And militias go to war not hunting. And tell me, what article of the constitution gives the federal government the power to regulate guns or arms? I'll tell you, THERE ISN'T ONE, and the 2nd amendment expressly prohibits it.
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The 2nd amendment is specifically about military style weapons. You go hunting with a gun, you go to war with arms. And militias go to war not hunting. And tell me, what article of the constitution gives the federal government the power to regulate guns or arms? I'll tell you, THERE ISN'T ONE, and the 2nd amendment expressly prohibits it.
dlhale wrote:
about military style weapons.
Then based on your argument we should be all stocking up on jets, tanks, and drones, not wimpy little assault rifles.
dlhale wrote:
I'll tell you, THERE ISN'T ONE, and the 2nd amendment expressly prohibits it.
Thank you Captain Obvious. :rolleyes: :doh:
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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We had laws that allowed people to own guns. What's the difference? Oh right...constitutions can't be amended so the second amendment can't ever be undone :doh:
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Not own guns... but rather bear arms. Consider the difference between a gun (sporting/hunting) and arms (military weapons). Just saying, you are redefining the Constitution for your own agenda and thinking that is not a slippery sloe. The same thing is being done with Freedom of Religion being redefined, and even Freedom of Speech - both of which are much more important to me. But I am not naive enough to think the whole issue isn't related.
Pualee wrote:
Not own guns... but rather bear arms. Consider the difference between a gun (sporting/hunting) and arms (military weapons).
No rather you are redefining it to yours. What was the difference when the Constitution was created? They were talking about the most up to date weapons that existed then. And that included the private ownership of cannons and gunships. Yes, Privateers Mattered | U.S. Naval Institute[^]
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Define an assault weapon.
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den2k88 wrote:
Define an assault weapon.
Go into a store that sells a large selection. Ask for a recommendation for an assault weapon that one can own legally. They will be more than happy to provide a large choice of options for you to considered. However that is only what they carry so you might want to shop around. Also buy some magazines. You should be able to find a number that either are specifically about assault weapons or carry articles on them.
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dlhale wrote:
about military style weapons.
Then based on your argument we should be all stocking up on jets, tanks, and drones, not wimpy little assault rifles.
dlhale wrote:
I'll tell you, THERE ISN'T ONE, and the 2nd amendment expressly prohibits it.
Thank you Captain Obvious. :rolleyes: :doh:
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011111100010 wrote:
Then based on your argument we should be all stocking up on jets, tanks, and drones, not wimpy little assault rifles.
It was expected by the framers. The government could (maybe still can?) issue Letters of Marque to civilian owners of vessels, authorizing them to fight the enemy. The civilians were expected to already have, or get, all the materiel neccesary: cannons, powder, ammunition, etc. So, yeah, "military" arms in civilian hands was a thing until recently.
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