Debate : Standard v Phillips (Allen, Torx)
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Here's the question up for debate:
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Why would any modern product use a standard (aka flat head) screw, which requires a standard (flat head) screw driver?
Standard screws are far more difficult to use in a modern era where we have power screw drivers which spin at high RPMs. If you've ever tried this you know that a standard (or slotted screw) will quickly get off balance with each rotation which really creates a challenge. The very least that should be substituted would be the Phillips (+) type. It's much more balanced. I can see using a allen type or Torx or whatever but I just can't understand why slotted would still be used. Why are slotted screws still being produced? In my thinking they should outlaw them to save the sanity anyone who owns a toolbox. :) How many billions $$$ could be saved by such a change? :rolleyes: Counterpoint? Anyone with a counterpoint on why slotted is still valid?
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Look, if you have ever tried a TRUE Robertson ALL the rest are painful. Note: Not to be confused with the inferior square heads. What is the difference? The taper which effectively locks the driver in to the screw head. When you think about it is so obviously the best way. Slots, Philips, etc. all chatter to some degree - even Allen keys. Even a cheaply made screw is held tightly because of the fundamental design - a taper.
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Slotted: easy to rebuild the slot in case it gets damaged. Philips: you can apply much more torque in case the srew gets stuck. The others: f*** them, their sons, their ancestors, their dogs and their teeth. Good as they may be you are certifiably 100% lacking the proper tool to disassemble them.
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I like the two points and agree with them.
den2k88 wrote:
you are certifiably 100% lacking the proper tool to disassemble them
Agree with this too. So annoying. I remember wanting to take a old HDD which had crashed apart and I couldn't find a star driver to fit it anywhere. Look how many screws there are: quite terrible ==> List of screw drives - Wikipedia[^]
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Do you mean "Phillips", or "Posidrive"? They need different bits as the angles are different. Use the wrong one, and you will chew up the head every time... [^] Intersetignly, Posidrive was partial developed and is partly owned by ... Phillips. :laugh: There is also Torx, Allen, Robertson, ClutchDrive, and a wide range of oddball "security screws" - including a number that are "tighten only"! Slotted are cheaper to make, and are useful for "historic jobs" where they should match existing screws - except in my Mercedes where the battery is under the drivers feet and accessed via a slotted screw that opens with a coin...
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I thought they were called "plus" and "minus" ...
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Here's the question up for debate:
Debate
Why would any modern product use a standard (aka flat head) screw, which requires a standard (flat head) screw driver?
Standard screws are far more difficult to use in a modern era where we have power screw drivers which spin at high RPMs. If you've ever tried this you know that a standard (or slotted screw) will quickly get off balance with each rotation which really creates a challenge. The very least that should be substituted would be the Phillips (+) type. It's much more balanced. I can see using a allen type or Torx or whatever but I just can't understand why slotted would still be used. Why are slotted screws still being produced? In my thinking they should outlaw them to save the sanity anyone who owns a toolbox. :) How many billions $$$ could be saved by such a change? :rolleyes: Counterpoint? Anyone with a counterpoint on why slotted is still valid?
IBM used to outlaw Phillips head screws. There could be many reasons, but Phillips head screws are very easy to strip. Also, there are screw starters for slotted screws, but none that I know of for Phillips. Torx is the only kind I really like. P.S. I'll have to check out the Robertson. I forgot to mention that it is easy to fashion a square head screw driver with a file and almost any piece of metal.
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I take out my Dremmel Moto-tool and cut a slot into all the stripped phillips, Torx, and Allen head screws so I can get the damn things out. That's why.
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One good thing about stripped Phillips head screws is that it the hole for your screw removal drill bit is already centered. :-)
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OriginalGriff wrote:
including a number that are "tighten only"!
I've only seen those on restroom stall doors. Ever since they started using those screws, my ability to add to my collection of restroom stall doors has pretty much stalled out.
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IBM used to outlaw Phillips head screws. There could be many reasons, but Phillips head screws are very easy to strip. Also, there are screw starters for slotted screws, but none that I know of for Phillips. Torx is the only kind I really like. P.S. I'll have to check out the Robertson. I forgot to mention that it is easy to fashion a square head screw driver with a file and almost any piece of metal.
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Here's the question up for debate:
Debate
Why would any modern product use a standard (aka flat head) screw, which requires a standard (flat head) screw driver?
Standard screws are far more difficult to use in a modern era where we have power screw drivers which spin at high RPMs. If you've ever tried this you know that a standard (or slotted screw) will quickly get off balance with each rotation which really creates a challenge. The very least that should be substituted would be the Phillips (+) type. It's much more balanced. I can see using a allen type or Torx or whatever but I just can't understand why slotted would still be used. Why are slotted screws still being produced? In my thinking they should outlaw them to save the sanity anyone who owns a toolbox. :) How many billions $$$ could be saved by such a change? :rolleyes: Counterpoint? Anyone with a counterpoint on why slotted is still valid?
Slot head screws are easier to take out when you don't have your toolbox with you. You can use the dumb little screwdriver head of your swiss army knife. You can use a nail file. You can use a kitchen knife. You can use a dime. Slot head screws are put there for people who don't spend a lot of time taking things apart.
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Here's the question up for debate:
Debate
Why would any modern product use a standard (aka flat head) screw, which requires a standard (flat head) screw driver?
Standard screws are far more difficult to use in a modern era where we have power screw drivers which spin at high RPMs. If you've ever tried this you know that a standard (or slotted screw) will quickly get off balance with each rotation which really creates a challenge. The very least that should be substituted would be the Phillips (+) type. It's much more balanced. I can see using a allen type or Torx or whatever but I just can't understand why slotted would still be used. Why are slotted screws still being produced? In my thinking they should outlaw them to save the sanity anyone who owns a toolbox. :) How many billions $$$ could be saved by such a change? :rolleyes: Counterpoint? Anyone with a counterpoint on why slotted is still valid?
One more note, based upon your "billions $$$ could be saved". A few flat blade screw drivers will fit pretty much anything you find. A little less so with phillps, but somewhat viable. There are hybrid screws, as well, which take both flat blade and phillips. For hex and torx? Another one for each and every size? I think "billions $$$ spent" would be more like it.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Bruce Patin wrote:
it is easy to fashion a square head screw driver with a file and almost any piece of metal.
:thumbsup: That's a really great point.
As long as we've touched the waters of "in a pinch", I needed a small screwdriver to fix my glasses. Not anything around . . . wait . . . a paper clip and a rock (hammer, etc.). Bang bang. Now we have a micro flat-blade screwdriver!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Here's the question up for debate:
Debate
Why would any modern product use a standard (aka flat head) screw, which requires a standard (flat head) screw driver?
Standard screws are far more difficult to use in a modern era where we have power screw drivers which spin at high RPMs. If you've ever tried this you know that a standard (or slotted screw) will quickly get off balance with each rotation which really creates a challenge. The very least that should be substituted would be the Phillips (+) type. It's much more balanced. I can see using a allen type or Torx or whatever but I just can't understand why slotted would still be used. Why are slotted screws still being produced? In my thinking they should outlaw them to save the sanity anyone who owns a toolbox. :) How many billions $$$ could be saved by such a change? :rolleyes: Counterpoint? Anyone with a counterpoint on why slotted is still valid?
You have way to much time on your hands.
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One more note, based upon your "billions $$$ could be saved". A few flat blade screw drivers will fit pretty much anything you find. A little less so with phillps, but somewhat viable. There are hybrid screws, as well, which take both flat blade and phillips. For hex and torx? Another one for each and every size? I think "billions $$$ spent" would be more like it.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
I think "billions $$$ spent" would be more like it.
Hmmm....I've created an industry. :rolleyes: Seriously though, I can agree with what you are saying. That's why The World must agree upon one standard immediately and outlaw all other types. :laugh:
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As long as we've touched the waters of "in a pinch", I needed a small screwdriver to fix my glasses. Not anything around . . . wait . . . a paper clip and a rock (hammer, etc.). Bang bang. Now we have a micro flat-blade screwdriver!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
I think "billions $$$ spent" would be more like it.
Hmmm....I've created an industry. :rolleyes: Seriously though, I can agree with what you are saying. That's why The World must agree upon one standard immediately and outlaw all other types. :laugh:
raddevus wrote:
That's why The World must agree upon one standard immediately and outlaw all other types.
Step One: "Reeducate those good-for-nothing lefties" who'd want to screw around with the direction in which we turn the screws.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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You have way to much time on your hands.
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raddevus wrote:
That's why The World must agree upon one standard immediately and outlaw all other types.
Step One: "Reeducate those good-for-nothing lefties" who'd want to screw around with the direction in which we turn the screws.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
who'd want to screw around with the direction in which we turn the screws.
Can you imagine...
Ridiculous!
Lefty tighty, righty loosey
:rolleyes: It's righty tighty for a reason! :laugh:
Righty Tighty - Lefty Lucy ? I always thought that was referring which direction in bed to face when deciding on which new girlfriend you'll . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Here's the question up for debate:
Debate
Why would any modern product use a standard (aka flat head) screw, which requires a standard (flat head) screw driver?
Standard screws are far more difficult to use in a modern era where we have power screw drivers which spin at high RPMs. If you've ever tried this you know that a standard (or slotted screw) will quickly get off balance with each rotation which really creates a challenge. The very least that should be substituted would be the Phillips (+) type. It's much more balanced. I can see using a allen type or Torx or whatever but I just can't understand why slotted would still be used. Why are slotted screws still being produced? In my thinking they should outlaw them to save the sanity anyone who owns a toolbox. :) How many billions $$$ could be saved by such a change? :rolleyes: Counterpoint? Anyone with a counterpoint on why slotted is still valid?
A better question is, why hasn't everyone adopted Robertson. Superior to both; invented in Canada; apparently "banned" in the US; something to do with "not invented in the US" I think.
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