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  • R R Giskard Reventlov

    Thanks. I have to say, though, what does it matter that he was Jewish or not Italian?

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    Clifford Nelson
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    It says a lot about the importance of Jews of the time, and how much Europeans owe the Jews. I am not Jewish, but they did provide important services, including map making (which is apparently what Christopher Columbus, or Colom, was).

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      So how many people now realize that Christopher Columbus was Jewish. Also, that there is no picture of Christopher Columbus from his time ([^]. One of the many lies in your history books. Even Wikipedia cannot get it right. He apparently could not even speak Italian.

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      Jorgen Andersson
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      Your post stinks of conspiration theories. Linking to youtube confirms that. For all others, Origin theories of Christopher Columbus - Wikipedia[^]

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      • R RickZeeland

        To discover is one thing, to colonize another: New Netherland[^] :)

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        R Giskard Reventlov
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        Amsterdam was the world financial center and the Dutch fleet the greatest in the world.

        Not what I was taught!

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        • C Clifford Nelson

          It says a lot about the importance of Jews of the time, and how much Europeans owe the Jews. I am not Jewish, but they did provide important services, including map making (which is apparently what Christopher Columbus, or Colom, was).

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          R Giskard Reventlov
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          Clifford Nelson wrote:

          It says a lot about the importance of Jews of the time, and how much Europeans owe the Jews

          Can't argue with that!

          Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End

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          • R R Giskard Reventlov

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            Amsterdam was the world financial center and the Dutch fleet the greatest in the world.

            Not what I was taught!

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            RickZeeland
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            Ashamed eh, just like English history books don't like to mention defeats by the Dutch :-\

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            • J Jorgen Andersson

              Your post stinks of conspiration theories. Linking to youtube confirms that. For all others, Origin theories of Christopher Columbus - Wikipedia[^]

              Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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              Lost User
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              Uhhhhhm. No, no, wiki is not the over all knowledge. Not bad at all, but please......

              It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question

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              • J Jorgen Andersson

                Your post stinks of conspiration theories. Linking to youtube confirms that. For all others, Origin theories of Christopher Columbus - Wikipedia[^]

                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                Clifford Nelson
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                Hate to tell you but Wikipedia is not that authoritative, and tends to stay with the party line. If you really investigate Christopher Columbus, you will discover that there is a lot that rings true on the Jewish origin. Obviously it is not a story that Western cultures would be happy about for the last half a millennium, so not surprising that it would be covered up. You can lead a human to knowledge, but you can't make him think. Listen to the YouTube video I posted, maybe you will learn something that is lied about in your high school history book. You do know that history books are not written by professors of history. In fact if an academic wrote a history book it would be frowned upon by the academic community. The publishing companies make lots of money selling their books, and it is mostly to states that have state level review of acceptable books for their school system. If a high school history book mentioned that Christopher Columbus was Jewish, it would be immediately thrown out. It is amazing to see the untruths that have been passed from one high school history book to another. Always like the picture of what Native Americans looked before Columbus and we see Western American Indians of horses...LOL. You will also discover there is no picture of the man from his time. He was extremely secretive...I wonder why, could it have been because he was trying to hide he was Jewish from the Spanish Inquisition.

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                • R RickZeeland

                  Ashamed eh, just like English history books don't like to mention defeats by the Dutch :-\

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                  R Giskard Reventlov
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                  Anglo-Dutch Wars - Wikipedia[^]Interesting - thanks - great to learn something new!

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                  • R R Giskard Reventlov

                    Anglo-Dutch Wars - Wikipedia[^]Interesting - thanks - great to learn something new!

                    Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End

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                    RickZeeland
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                    one of the most humiliating defeats in British military history

                    Ha :laugh:

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                    • R RickZeeland

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                      one of the most humiliating defeats in British military history

                      Ha :laugh:

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                      R Giskard Reventlov
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                      There has to be one... :((

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                      • C Clifford Nelson

                        Hate to tell you but Wikipedia is not that authoritative, and tends to stay with the party line. If you really investigate Christopher Columbus, you will discover that there is a lot that rings true on the Jewish origin. Obviously it is not a story that Western cultures would be happy about for the last half a millennium, so not surprising that it would be covered up. You can lead a human to knowledge, but you can't make him think. Listen to the YouTube video I posted, maybe you will learn something that is lied about in your high school history book. You do know that history books are not written by professors of history. In fact if an academic wrote a history book it would be frowned upon by the academic community. The publishing companies make lots of money selling their books, and it is mostly to states that have state level review of acceptable books for their school system. If a high school history book mentioned that Christopher Columbus was Jewish, it would be immediately thrown out. It is amazing to see the untruths that have been passed from one high school history book to another. Always like the picture of what Native Americans looked before Columbus and we see Western American Indians of horses...LOL. You will also discover there is no picture of the man from his time. He was extremely secretive...I wonder why, could it have been because he was trying to hide he was Jewish from the Spanish Inquisition.

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                        Jorgen Andersson
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                        I'm well aware of the idea by Simon Wiesenthal. And while it has merits, it's completely unconfirmed. Obviously since Columbus was so secretive. :rolleyes: But everything in your OP except the first sentence is just empty claims that we are lied to. So, conspirational bullshit. Post it in the soapbox next time, or better find some site with likeminded people.

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                        • L Lost User

                          Uhhhhhm. No, no, wiki is not the over all knowledge. Not bad at all, but please......

                          It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question

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                          Jorgen Andersson
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                          Certainly not, but note how every theory of origin that I've seen is included, including the catalan jew one. Personally I believe the one that he is a Swede. :rolleyes:

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                          • J Jorgen Andersson

                            I'm well aware of the idea by Simon Wiesenthal. And while it has merits, it's completely unconfirmed. Obviously since Columbus was so secretive. :rolleyes: But everything in your OP except the first sentence is just empty claims that we are lied to. So, conspirational bullshit. Post it in the soapbox next time, or better find some site with likeminded people.

                            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                            Clifford Nelson
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                            Pretty much everything about CC is unconfirmed except some broad brush statements about him discovering America. Little is truly known about the man. However, 1) the letters to his sons containing the Hebrew letters must be real 2) it cannot be proved that he spoke Italian well 3) the contents of his will being within the rules for Jews has to be real. Interesting that considering that there has always been controversy over his being Italian, that you are now asking for proof. Give concrete proof he was Italian.

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                            • R R Giskard Reventlov

                              Anglo-Dutch Wars - Wikipedia[^]Interesting - thanks - great to learn something new!

                              Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End

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                              Jorgen Andersson
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                              I read a very interesting book on the battle of Medway[^] that was written by an English historian. The most interesting part was when he listed all the things that had to be done badly by the English for the raid to succeed. Apparently the dutch had good spies.

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                              • J Jorgen Andersson

                                Certainly not, but note how every theory of origin that I've seen is included, including the catalan jew one. Personally I believe the one that he is a Swede. :rolleyes:

                                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                A Sw/...(most probably only a keyboard failure) ... iss/ede. Let us agree on a human ;)

                                It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question

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                                  Pretty much everything about CC is unconfirmed except some broad brush statements about him discovering America. Little is truly known about the man. However, 1) the letters to his sons containing the Hebrew letters must be real 2) it cannot be proved that he spoke Italian well 3) the contents of his will being within the rules for Jews has to be real. Interesting that considering that there has always been controversy over his being Italian, that you are now asking for proof. Give concrete proof he was Italian.

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                                  Jorgen Andersson
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                                  it cannot be proved that he spoke Italian well

                                  Point being?

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                                  the contents of his will being within the rules for Jews has to be real.

                                  And was also pretty common among non jews.

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                                  Interesting that considering that there has always been controversy over his being Italian, that you are now asking for proof. Give concrete proof he was Italian

                                  You're the one claiming that we are lied to.

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                                  • J Jorgen Andersson

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                                    it cannot be proved that he spoke Italian well

                                    Point being?

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                                    the contents of his will being within the rules for Jews has to be real.

                                    And was also pretty common among non jews.

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                                    Interesting that considering that there has always been controversy over his being Italian, that you are now asking for proof. Give concrete proof he was Italian

                                    You're the one claiming that we are lied to.

                                    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                    What else is new...people lie lots, especially those in power. When there is politics, there is lots of lying in my experience.

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                                    • J Jorgen Andersson

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                                      it cannot be proved that he spoke Italian well

                                      Point being?

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                                      the contents of his will being within the rules for Jews has to be real.

                                      And was also pretty common among non jews.

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                                      Interesting that considering that there has always been controversy over his being Italian, that you are now asking for proof. Give concrete proof he was Italian

                                      You're the one claiming that we are lied to.

                                      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                      PIEBALDconsult
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                                      Wills will seem Jewish as long as lawyers are Jewish. :D

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                                      • L Lost User

                                        A Sw/...(most probably only a keyboard failure) ... iss/ede. Let us agree on a human ;)

                                        It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question

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                                        PIEBALDconsult
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                                        Númenórean...

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                                        • P PIEBALDconsult

                                          Númenórean...

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                                          thrmph

                                          It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question

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