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  • R R Giskard Reventlov

    Anglo-Dutch Wars - Wikipedia[^]Interesting - thanks - great to learn something new!

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    RickZeeland
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    one of the most humiliating defeats in British military history

    Ha :laugh:

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      one of the most humiliating defeats in British military history

      Ha :laugh:

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      R Giskard Reventlov
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      There has to be one... :((

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      • C Clifford Nelson

        Hate to tell you but Wikipedia is not that authoritative, and tends to stay with the party line. If you really investigate Christopher Columbus, you will discover that there is a lot that rings true on the Jewish origin. Obviously it is not a story that Western cultures would be happy about for the last half a millennium, so not surprising that it would be covered up. You can lead a human to knowledge, but you can't make him think. Listen to the YouTube video I posted, maybe you will learn something that is lied about in your high school history book. You do know that history books are not written by professors of history. In fact if an academic wrote a history book it would be frowned upon by the academic community. The publishing companies make lots of money selling their books, and it is mostly to states that have state level review of acceptable books for their school system. If a high school history book mentioned that Christopher Columbus was Jewish, it would be immediately thrown out. It is amazing to see the untruths that have been passed from one high school history book to another. Always like the picture of what Native Americans looked before Columbus and we see Western American Indians of horses...LOL. You will also discover there is no picture of the man from his time. He was extremely secretive...I wonder why, could it have been because he was trying to hide he was Jewish from the Spanish Inquisition.

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        Jorgen Andersson
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        I'm well aware of the idea by Simon Wiesenthal. And while it has merits, it's completely unconfirmed. Obviously since Columbus was so secretive. :rolleyes: But everything in your OP except the first sentence is just empty claims that we are lied to. So, conspirational bullshit. Post it in the soapbox next time, or better find some site with likeminded people.

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          Uhhhhhm. No, no, wiki is not the over all knowledge. Not bad at all, but please......

          It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question

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          Jorgen Andersson
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          Certainly not, but note how every theory of origin that I've seen is included, including the catalan jew one. Personally I believe the one that he is a Swede. :rolleyes:

          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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          • J Jorgen Andersson

            I'm well aware of the idea by Simon Wiesenthal. And while it has merits, it's completely unconfirmed. Obviously since Columbus was so secretive. :rolleyes: But everything in your OP except the first sentence is just empty claims that we are lied to. So, conspirational bullshit. Post it in the soapbox next time, or better find some site with likeminded people.

            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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            Clifford Nelson
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            Pretty much everything about CC is unconfirmed except some broad brush statements about him discovering America. Little is truly known about the man. However, 1) the letters to his sons containing the Hebrew letters must be real 2) it cannot be proved that he spoke Italian well 3) the contents of his will being within the rules for Jews has to be real. Interesting that considering that there has always been controversy over his being Italian, that you are now asking for proof. Give concrete proof he was Italian.

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            • R R Giskard Reventlov

              Anglo-Dutch Wars - Wikipedia[^]Interesting - thanks - great to learn something new!

              Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End

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              Jorgen Andersson
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              I read a very interesting book on the battle of Medway[^] that was written by an English historian. The most interesting part was when he listed all the things that had to be done badly by the English for the raid to succeed. Apparently the dutch had good spies.

              Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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              • J Jorgen Andersson

                Certainly not, but note how every theory of origin that I've seen is included, including the catalan jew one. Personally I believe the one that he is a Swede. :rolleyes:

                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                Lost User
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                A Sw/...(most probably only a keyboard failure) ... iss/ede. Let us agree on a human ;)

                It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question

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                • C Clifford Nelson

                  Pretty much everything about CC is unconfirmed except some broad brush statements about him discovering America. Little is truly known about the man. However, 1) the letters to his sons containing the Hebrew letters must be real 2) it cannot be proved that he spoke Italian well 3) the contents of his will being within the rules for Jews has to be real. Interesting that considering that there has always been controversy over his being Italian, that you are now asking for proof. Give concrete proof he was Italian.

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                  Jorgen Andersson
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                  it cannot be proved that he spoke Italian well

                  Point being?

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                  the contents of his will being within the rules for Jews has to be real.

                  And was also pretty common among non jews.

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                  Interesting that considering that there has always been controversy over his being Italian, that you are now asking for proof. Give concrete proof he was Italian

                  You're the one claiming that we are lied to.

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                  • J Jorgen Andersson

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                    it cannot be proved that he spoke Italian well

                    Point being?

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                    the contents of his will being within the rules for Jews has to be real.

                    And was also pretty common among non jews.

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                    Interesting that considering that there has always been controversy over his being Italian, that you are now asking for proof. Give concrete proof he was Italian

                    You're the one claiming that we are lied to.

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                    What else is new...people lie lots, especially those in power. When there is politics, there is lots of lying in my experience.

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                    • J Jorgen Andersson

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                      it cannot be proved that he spoke Italian well

                      Point being?

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                      the contents of his will being within the rules for Jews has to be real.

                      And was also pretty common among non jews.

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                      Interesting that considering that there has always been controversy over his being Italian, that you are now asking for proof. Give concrete proof he was Italian

                      You're the one claiming that we are lied to.

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                      PIEBALDconsult
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                      Wills will seem Jewish as long as lawyers are Jewish. :D

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                        A Sw/...(most probably only a keyboard failure) ... iss/ede. Let us agree on a human ;)

                        It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question

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                        PIEBALDconsult
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                        Númenórean...

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                          Númenórean...

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                          Lost User
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                          thrmph

                          It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question

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                          • C Clifford Nelson

                            So how many people now realize that Christopher Columbus was Jewish. Also, that there is no picture of Christopher Columbus from his time ([^]. One of the many lies in your history books. Even Wikipedia cannot get it right. He apparently could not even speak Italian.

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                            Ian Bell 2
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                            Great! Another ardent defender of all things jewish. Now then, are there any other lies you are aware of and care to mention?

                            History is the joke the living play on the dead.

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                              Great! Another ardent defender of all things jewish. Now then, are there any other lies you are aware of and care to mention?

                              History is the joke the living play on the dead.

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                              That is not true in my case. I think that Israel is a horrible country that is more like Nazi Germany that any other country in the world today. I will also admit that the Jews do something that makes people hate them, and in that respect they are very stupid. Otherwise why thru so much of recent history have they been so hated. It is also very sad that the Jews have turned against the Muslims, who treated them very well in the past, and Judaism did very well under the Muslims. If not for the horrible Zionist Jews that so ardently defend Israel, the murder of so many innocent Arabs, there would not be the hate between them. In another respect they tend to be very capable people, that are responsible for so much more in this country than their numbers would justify. You will believe what you want. A saying I like about people like you is that you can lead a human to knowledge but you can't make him think. I see to many people who want to believe the obvious lies that we are told. In school, unfortunately, they teach of to recite what they want us to believe, but they do not teach us how to use our brains for anything besides recitation. The Politicians want sheep, not free thinkers. Harder to guide people who will analyze the situation and come to their own conclusion.

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                              • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                There has to be one... :((

                                Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End

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                                RickZeeland
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                                Don't be sad, you're American aren't you ?

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                                • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                  Clifford Nelson wrote:

                                  It says a lot about the importance of Jews of the time, and how much Europeans owe the Jews

                                  Can't argue with that!

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                                  Munchies_Matt
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                                  R. Giskard Reventlov wrote:

                                  how much Europeans owe the Jews

                                  Yeah, mostly in interest! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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                                  • J Jorgen Andersson

                                    I'm well aware of the idea by Simon Wiesenthal. And while it has merits, it's completely unconfirmed. Obviously since Columbus was so secretive. :rolleyes: But everything in your OP except the first sentence is just empty claims that we are lied to. So, conspirational bullshit. Post it in the soapbox next time, or better find some site with likeminded people.

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                                    Munchies_Matt
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                                    Ohhhh, it's by HIM is it. Now we know why the idea is being pushed so hard. And it is therefore questionable sine it is being done for political gain.

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                                    • C Clifford Nelson

                                      So how many people now realize that Christopher Columbus was Jewish. Also, that there is no picture of Christopher Columbus from his time ([^]. One of the many lies in your history books. Even Wikipedia cannot get it right. He apparently could not even speak Italian.

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                                      Chris Quinn
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                                      Columbus was a horrid man! [Christopher Columbus was awful (but this other guy was not) - The Oatmeal](http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus\_day)

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                                      • C Clifford Nelson

                                        So how many people now realize that Christopher Columbus was Jewish. Also, that there is no picture of Christopher Columbus from his time ([^]. One of the many lies in your history books. Even Wikipedia cannot get it right. He apparently could not even speak Italian.

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                                        Clifford Nelson wrote:

                                        He apparently could not even speak Italian.

                                        Because Italy didn't exist until 1861 but of course I can't expect a 'murrican to know history.

                                        GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                                          Clifford Nelson wrote:

                                          He apparently could not even speak Italian.

                                          Because Italy didn't exist until 1861 but of course I can't expect a 'murrican to know history.

                                          GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                                          Jorgen Andersson
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                                          Just out of curiosity, what did they speak in, say Modena, in the fifteenth century?

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