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  • D DRHuff

    Esc :wq Strangely enough it doesn't do anything useful in Word!

    I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like. Dave

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    I didn't know Word did anything useful to start with. :laugh:

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      IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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      RickZeeland
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      One thing that irritates me enormously is that in Outlook 365, which I have to use at work, Ctrl + F means something different than Find. All Microsoft products interpret this as Find, but not Outlook 365 for some strange reason … :mad:

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      • R RandyBuchholz

        IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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        PIEBALDconsult
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        PF4 / Gold-PF4 delete line / undelete line. (If I recall correctly.)

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        • R RandyBuchholz

          IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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          Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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          Ctrl+K In Eclipse it means: find-next. In VS it does nothing (except that small message about waiting the second keystroke)... However if I do not realize my mistake and hit it again I set a bookmark... Now Ctrl+K, F3 is invalid, so I already at 3 hits...

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          • R RandyBuchholz

            IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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            OriginalGriff
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            CTRL+SHIFT+B gets me - "Build" in VS, "Toggle bookmarks" in Chrome. And F5 is "Refresh" yes? Not in Outlook - that's F9. Except in Live Mail, it's back to F5 ... :sigh:

            Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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            • R RandyBuchholz

              IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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              Kevin Marois
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              Different versions of Visual Studio have their Build keys mapped differently. In some cases it's F6, other CTRL+B, and I've even see CTRL+SHIFT+F6 That is the most annoying blasted thing MS does - LEAVE THE DAMN KEYS THE SAME FROM ONE VERSION TO THE NEXT!

              If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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              • R RandyBuchholz

                Messes with reinstalls too when you haven't saved your config :).

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                Marc Clifton
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                RandyBuchholz wrote:

                Messes with reinstalls too when you haven't saved your config

                Yeah, learned that the hard way. But even if I forget to save the config, I have several other computers and VM's config'd the same way, so I can (and have) grabbed it from another machine.

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                • R RandyBuchholz

                  IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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                  Roger Wright
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                  ctrl-G. I used to love ringing the bell.

                  Will Rogers never met me.

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                  • R RandyBuchholz

                    IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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                    Paul Sanders the other one
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                    Try switching between Visual Studio and Xcode on a frequent, ad-hoc basis. It does your head in (and VS is a lot nicer).

                    Paul Sanders http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk

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                    • R RandyBuchholz

                      IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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                      Lost User
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                      Visual studio: collapse methods in editor: sometimes it's ^M ^O, others it's ^M O

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                      • R RandyBuchholz

                        IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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                        Kirill Illenseer
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                        Visual Studio compiles & runs with F5, Delphi with F9. I sometimes find myself setting a breakpoint (that's what F5 does in Delphi) instead of compiling.

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                        • R RandyBuchholz

                          IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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                          Gilbert Consellado
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                          The "hjkl" for navigation and "\" for searching CTRL+G as well :-D

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                            Ctrl-Shift-Esc-F3-A - don't you just love Emacs? ;P

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                            Gary Wheeler
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                            Isn't that the "spawn SkyNet™" hot key?

                            Software Zen: delete this;

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                            • R RandyBuchholz

                              IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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                              Gary Wheeler
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                              My Visual Studio shortcuts: F12 - Go to next bookmark in document Shift-F12 - Previous bookmark in document Ctrl-F12 - Toggle bookmark Alt-F12 - Clear bookmarks in document Shift-Alt-C - Clean solution Shift-Alt-B - Rebuild solution I leave the rest of them alone. Whenever I use a lab machine I usually set these. The defaults for [Shift/Ctrl/Alt]-F12 don't do anything especially useful, and the other two aren't even set, so they don't piss off my coworkers.

                              Software Zen: delete this;

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                I didn't know Word did anything useful to start with. :laugh:

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                                Gary Wheeler
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                                As a Word user since the earliest "Word for Windows" days, I think your statement needs a little refinement. I think it should read: "Microsoft hasn't added anything useful to Word in a long time (at least since 2003)." At that, they've removed a number of useful features or rendered them less effective, all in the name of security.

                                Software Zen: delete this;

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                                • D DRHuff

                                  Esc :wq Strangely enough it doesn't do anything useful in Word!

                                  I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like. Dave

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                                  TedFalasco
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                                  Try Esc ZZ. I haven't tried it, but I assume it will work. ;P

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                                  • R RandyBuchholz

                                    IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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                                    TedFalasco
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                                    Toggling comments. Ctrl+K, Ctrl+C to comment in VS Ctrl+K, Ctrl+U to uncomment in VS Ctrl+/ to toggle on or off in everything else.

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                                    • G Gary Wheeler

                                      As a Word user since the earliest "Word for Windows" days, I think your statement needs a little refinement. I think it should read: "Microsoft hasn't added anything useful to Word in a long time (at least since 2003)." At that, they've removed a number of useful features or rendered them less effective, all in the name of security.

                                      Software Zen: delete this;

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                                      OriginalGriff
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                                      I just wish Win10 was better at running 16 bit apps: Ami Pro was so much better than Word - and it was so tiny! :laugh:

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                                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                        I just wish Win10 was better at running 16 bit apps: Ami Pro was so much better than Word - and it was so tiny! :laugh:

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                                        DRHuff
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                                        AmiPro? I thought you might be relieved to know that I found a little patch of dirt that is still older than you. (and me)!

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                                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                          I just wish Win10 was better at running 16 bit apps: Ami Pro was so much better than Word - and it was so tiny! :laugh:

                                          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                          Gary Wheeler
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                                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                                          Win10 was better at running 16 bit apps

                                          For what it's worth, I use VirtualBox to run an MS-DOS virtual machine in order to build a certain [very damned old] product using Microsoft C 6.0. I'm sure you could do the same to run Ami Pro ;).

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