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  • R RandyBuchholz

    IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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    Paul Sanders the other one
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    Try switching between Visual Studio and Xcode on a frequent, ad-hoc basis. It does your head in (and VS is a lot nicer).

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    • R RandyBuchholz

      IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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      Lost User
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      Visual studio: collapse methods in editor: sometimes it's ^M ^O, others it's ^M O

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      • R RandyBuchholz

        IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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        Kirill Illenseer
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        Visual Studio compiles & runs with F5, Delphi with F9. I sometimes find myself setting a breakpoint (that's what F5 does in Delphi) instead of compiling.

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        • R RandyBuchholz

          IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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          Gilbert Consellado
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          The "hjkl" for navigation and "\" for searching CTRL+G as well :-D

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          • L Lost User

            Ctrl-Shift-Esc-F3-A - don't you just love Emacs? ;P

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            Gary Wheeler
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            Isn't that the "spawn SkyNet™" hot key?

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            • R RandyBuchholz

              IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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              Gary Wheeler
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              My Visual Studio shortcuts: F12 - Go to next bookmark in document Shift-F12 - Previous bookmark in document Ctrl-F12 - Toggle bookmark Alt-F12 - Clear bookmarks in document Shift-Alt-C - Clean solution Shift-Alt-B - Rebuild solution I leave the rest of them alone. Whenever I use a lab machine I usually set these. The defaults for [Shift/Ctrl/Alt]-F12 don't do anything especially useful, and the other two aren't even set, so they don't piss off my coworkers.

              Software Zen: delete this;

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                I didn't know Word did anything useful to start with. :laugh:

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                Gary Wheeler
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                As a Word user since the earliest "Word for Windows" days, I think your statement needs a little refinement. I think it should read: "Microsoft hasn't added anything useful to Word in a long time (at least since 2003)." At that, they've removed a number of useful features or rendered them less effective, all in the name of security.

                Software Zen: delete this;

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                • D DRHuff

                  Esc :wq Strangely enough it doesn't do anything useful in Word!

                  I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like. Dave

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                  TedFalasco
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                  Try Esc ZZ. I haven't tried it, but I assume it will work. ;P

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                  • R RandyBuchholz

                    IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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                    TedFalasco
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                    Toggling comments. Ctrl+K, Ctrl+C to comment in VS Ctrl+K, Ctrl+U to uncomment in VS Ctrl+/ to toggle on or off in everything else.

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                    • G Gary Wheeler

                      As a Word user since the earliest "Word for Windows" days, I think your statement needs a little refinement. I think it should read: "Microsoft hasn't added anything useful to Word in a long time (at least since 2003)." At that, they've removed a number of useful features or rendered them less effective, all in the name of security.

                      Software Zen: delete this;

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                      OriginalGriff
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                      I just wish Win10 was better at running 16 bit apps: Ami Pro was so much better than Word - and it was so tiny! :laugh:

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        I just wish Win10 was better at running 16 bit apps: Ami Pro was so much better than Word - and it was so tiny! :laugh:

                        Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                        DRHuff
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                        AmiPro? I thought you might be relieved to know that I found a little patch of dirt that is still older than you. (and me)!

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          I just wish Win10 was better at running 16 bit apps: Ami Pro was so much better than Word - and it was so tiny! :laugh:

                          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                          Gary Wheeler
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                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                          Win10 was better at running 16 bit apps

                          For what it's worth, I use VirtualBox to run an MS-DOS virtual machine in order to build a certain [very damned old] product using Microsoft C 6.0. I'm sure you could do the same to run Ami Pro ;).

                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                          • G Gary Wheeler

                            Isn't that the "spawn SkyNet™" hot key?

                            Software Zen: delete this;

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                            Lost User
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                            :laugh:

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                            • R RandyBuchholz

                              IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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                              sasadler
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                              Just make the computer use the control sequences/shortcuts you want. I'm an old fart and I have the WordStar shortcuts/control sequences embedded in my brain. So for a couple of decades I only used editors that were configurable enough to continue to use the WordStar sequences. I also remapped the keyboard after IBM changed the control key location (to put it back to where it belonged). Now a days I just use AutoHotKey to let every editor/word processor I use, use the WordStar controls. Word, Code Composer Studio, Visual Studio, NotePad++, jEdit, etc. They all use the WordStar sequences when my AutoHotKey script is active.

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                              • R RandyBuchholz

                                IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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                                Forogar
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                                What drives me crazy is that Ctrl+Z for UNDO has a perfectly logical Shift+Ctrl+Z for REDO. Why doesn't everything - what is this stupid Ctrl+Y for, half-way across the keyboard?

                                - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                • R RandyBuchholz

                                  IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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                                  Al Escobar
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                                  Speaking of OLD software shortcuts you had to learn and use, I still remember the WordStar shortcuts to mnark a block of text: You had to use Ctrl+KB to mark the "blocK Beggining", then Ctrl+KK to mark the blocK end(K?), finally Ctrl+KC for blocK Copying. Oh! the good days of word processors in DOS!

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                                  • R RandyBuchholz

                                    IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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                                    obermd
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                                    Android Studio's "Visual Studio" emulation has always thrown me for a loop. I've used Visual Studio 6 throw 2017 and still don't know which version it "emulates".

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                                    • R RandyBuchholz

                                      IDE keyboard shortcuts become second nature to developers. So much so, that we expect them to work everywhere. Like ctrl-C does. What shortcuts do you find yourself trying to use where they don't work? For me, I'm always trying to delete or move lines with the Visual Studio ctrl-l (delete line), and alt-[arrow] (move line up or down) in things like Word.

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                                      MikeD 2
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                                      Not out of place but just plain mia on windows, multiple copy and paste buffers "ayy "byy It used to be so easy to edit multiple files in unix and paste in sets of changes rather than just work backwards and forwards ok, so I am mixing operating systems but I have been windows based for 15 or more years and I still miss this functionality There are always third party utilities but I prefer to keep the use of these to a minimum and it should just be baked in and breathe...

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                                      • P PIEBALDconsult

                                        PF4 / Gold-PF4 delete line / undelete line. (If I recall correctly.)

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                                        Kirk 10389821
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                                        Wow, that was the EDT command on DEC VT terminals... We had mostly paper terminals EX

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                                          Wow, that was the EDT command on DEC VT terminals... We had mostly paper terminals EX

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                                          PIEBALDconsult
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                                          Yuppers. :D Sadly, my VT220 went zap. Trying to use EDT in an emulator is frustrating, but at least I have one that emulates Gold pretty well.

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