Visual Basic.NET Exceeded C# Popularity in TIOBE in July 2018

OriginalGriff

Your proof is overwhelming: how could any man of reason fail to be convinced? :-D

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Lost User

georani wrote:

so powerful as C#, but more fun and readable to program with it.

C# is a cleaned up version of VB. "Fun" you say. I say there's a lot of hobbyists. Aaaw, the fun of cleaning up after them - so much, I regularly refuse to :thumbsup:

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realJSOP

Like every other "study" it had an agenda to push the statistical results they wanted to emphasize.

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georani

Quote:

On Error Resume Next

There is no this kind of code in VB NET. Study more.

Try

    x = x \\ y
    MessageBox.Show("end of Try block")

Catch ex As Exception
    MessageBox.Show(ex.Message)
    MessageBox.Show("Stack Trace: " & vbCrLf & ex.StackTrace)

Finally
    MessageBox.Show("in Finally block")
End Try

OriginalGriff

Rather than going with an opinion, I'd suggest that you check the facts instead:

Module Module1

Sub Main()
    On Error Resume Next

    Console.WriteLine("Hello World!")
    Console.ReadLine()
End Sub

End Module

Just because Try...Catch blocks are there, doesn't mean the old ways aren't. But then, facts never mean anything to the faithful, do they?

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georani

OK, C# has GOTO, and now?

for (int i = 0; i < x; i++)
{
for (int j = 0; j < y; j++)
{
if (array[i, j].Equals(myNumber))
{
goto Found;
}
}
}

    Console.WriteLine("The number {0} was not found.", myNumber);
    goto Finish;

Found:
    Console.WriteLine("The number {0} is found.", myNumber);

Finish:
    Console.WriteLine("End of search.");

georani

Yes fun e readable. Please compare this VB.NET code:

Public Class MyClass1
Public Property Mynumber As Integer = 3
End Class

With This C# equivalent

public class MyClass1
{
public int Mynumber {get; set;} = 3;
}

I Think VB.NET is more readable and fun.

OriginalGriff

And VB doesn't? Yes it does have goto - because there are occasions when you need it. But outside a student's homework submitted to a lazy teacher I've not seen - let alone used - goto once in the "real world". Face it: VB is based on a language designed for people who can't code, don't want to code, and have no interest in quality. It still has those early days buried deep in it's fabric: the On Error rubbish, the weak typing, the lack of need to declare anything. Those aren't strengths, they are contributing factors to poor maintainability which are designed right into the language. That's why C# is the way it is: it encourages the production of more robust and understandable code. Yes, you can produce good code in VB - but you have to treat it more like C# to do it and do all the work yourself!

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Rajesh R Subramanian

Thank you for reinforcing my belief that TIOBE INDEX doesn't mean squat all.

Lost User

georani wrote:

I Think VB.NET is more readable and fun.

And I am sure there are many more who agree. But if you learned C# first then you would (as I do) hold the complete opposite view. And as in all such surveys, the actual results are generally totally meaningless and useless.

kmoorevs

You are a brave soul, starting a flame war here where everybody knows that VB in any form is despised. Those who practice this black art should be ridiculed and burned at the stake! :laugh: However, I did take the time to check the link and see that the study and results make no claim about which language is best. Looking at the results, I'd guess that these are the languages that are most popular for CS students. That said, I actually agree the VB.NET is a great programming language, but as you've seen, not that well regarded here at CP albeit for some dubious reasons.

"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

OriginalGriff

Now write the VB equivalent of this C#

public class MyClass1
{
public int Mynumber {get; private set;} = 3;
}

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georani

Quote:

Face it: VB is based on a language designed for people who can't code, don't want to code, and have no interest in quality. It still has those early days buried deep in it's fabric: the On Error rubbish, the weak typing, the lack of need to declare anything.

False assertion, you can produce bad or good code in VB.NET or C #, the choice is yours.

Quote:

the weak typing, the lack of need to declare anything.

False assertion, you just use

Option Strict On

at start of your VB.NET code. Study more, please, did you heard about Python?

georani

Done:

Public Class MyClass1
    Private \_Mynumber As Integer = 3

    Public Property Mynumber() As Integer
        Get
            Return \_Mynumber
        End Get
        Private Set(value As Integer)
            \_Mynumber = value
        End Set
    End Property
End Class

This C# equivalent:

public class MyClass1
{
public int Mynumber {get; private set;} = 3;
}

It's shorter, but not fun or more readable.

georani

Quote:

I did take the time to check the link and see that the study and results make no claim about which language is the best.

Check that link again ant the title also, it is not about which is best, it is about popularity.

OriginalGriff

georani wrote:

not fun or more readable.

Who are you trying to kid? Yourself? :laugh:

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georani

Quote:

C# is a cleaned up version of VB.

No, it is not, C# comes from The Delphi creator Anders Hejlsberg (Click to see Wikipedia article)

Quote:

"Fun" you say. I say there's a lot of hobbyists.

There are a lot of commercial and industrial software made with VB.NET

kmoorevs

I know how to read. :) I was agreeing with you.

georani wrote:

I did take the time to check the link and see that the study and results make no claim about which language is best.

georani wrote:

Check that link again ant the title also, it is not about which is best, it is about popularity.

You see how we kinda said the same thing there?

"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

georani

Quote:

Who are you trying to kid? Yourself?

I Think this: This code:

Public Property Mynumber() As Integer
Get
Return _Mynumber
End Get
Private Set(value As Integer)
_Mynumber = value
End Set
End Property

Is more readable and more safe than this shorter and equivalent C# code:

public int Mynumber {get; private set;} = 3;

If you read fast, you can make mistakes when reading this C# code, and anyone can understand VB version, even non programmers, but if you are not a C# programmer what the hell is "{get; private set;} = 3"?

Lost User

georani wrote:

No, it is not, C# comes from The Delphi creator Anders Hejlsberg (Click to see Wikipedia article)

Which could be translated by search and replace into VB.NET; built on the newer VB runtime. Instead of running P-code, we now have the .NET runtime.

georani wrote:

There are a lot of commercial and industrial software made with VB.NET

Yes, by "professional beginners" :D

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