I went to the soapbox to find lively conversation and found crickets
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Doesn't differ from everybody elses; people call it a freak-year
you two posts ago: "Data says there's no freak year," :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Wake up Eddie!
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
even without GW has there been a change in rainfall-patterns
How can anyone know that, since the earth has warmed. ANyway it is irrelevant, there has been no change in rainfall patterns, answer my point instead of wandering off into irrelevancy.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Prices in the supermarket react slower
But do react: Supply fears push up Meadow Foods milk price - Farmers Weekly[^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
the standard of living will decline, due to a combination of GW and economics.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Now you bring in economics eh? Why, not so confident in your chicken little AGW fear?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
you two posts ago: "Data says there's no freak year,"
It is not according to the data, it is in line with a warming trend. Doesn't stop the general public from saying that we have had yet another freak year.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
How can anyone know that, since the earth has warmed.
"Science".
Munchies_Matt wrote:
ANyway it is irrelevant, there has been no change in rainfall patterns
They have been documented, and is part of modern education in schools :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
But do react: Supply fears push up Meadow Foods milk price - Farmers Weekly[^]
Yes, eventually. Supermarkets (and other vendors) also tend to "smear out" the price-raise over a longer time-period, so the customer doesn't notice too much.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Now you bring in economics eh? Why, not so confident in your chicken little AGW fear?
We were already talking about economics, when the price of potatoes was brought up. :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
you two posts ago: "Data says there's no freak year,"
It is not according to the data, it is in line with a warming trend. Doesn't stop the general public from saying that we have had yet another freak year.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
How can anyone know that, since the earth has warmed.
"Science".
Munchies_Matt wrote:
ANyway it is irrelevant, there has been no change in rainfall patterns
They have been documented, and is part of modern education in schools :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
But do react: Supply fears push up Meadow Foods milk price - Farmers Weekly[^]
Yes, eventually. Supermarkets (and other vendors) also tend to "smear out" the price-raise over a longer time-period, so the customer doesn't notice too much.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Now you bring in economics eh? Why, not so confident in your chicken little AGW fear?
We were already talking about economics, when the price of potatoes was brought up. :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
So you are retracting your 'data' comment?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
t is in line with a warming trend
No it isnt, it is a freak year. As I showed you a few posts back, UAH data shows this years is not that warm globally. But parts of the globe have had freak warm weather. (THis is of course due to the jet stream and nothing to do with GW)
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
"Science".
No empiracle evidence then. You do know how science works right? It needs empiracle data? Since there hasnt been a trend in rainfall, over any of the warming, and cooling periods of the last century, and yes, post war cooling was very real, it is fairly safe to say that in the temperature range we are experiencing rainfall does not correlate with temperature. Thus rendering your statement that warm = less rain invalid. Also your statement about 'it has been documented, they teach this in schools'. Utter BS. Oh, so the economics is limited to the the price of food is it? OK, lets agree on that so we can have a good laugh at you in a few years when catastrophe doesnt happen. Oh, and for the record, can we have a definition of catastrophe from you?
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So you are retracting your 'data' comment?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
t is in line with a warming trend
No it isnt, it is a freak year. As I showed you a few posts back, UAH data shows this years is not that warm globally. But parts of the globe have had freak warm weather. (THis is of course due to the jet stream and nothing to do with GW)
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
"Science".
No empiracle evidence then. You do know how science works right? It needs empiracle data? Since there hasnt been a trend in rainfall, over any of the warming, and cooling periods of the last century, and yes, post war cooling was very real, it is fairly safe to say that in the temperature range we are experiencing rainfall does not correlate with temperature. Thus rendering your statement that warm = less rain invalid. Also your statement about 'it has been documented, they teach this in schools'. Utter BS. Oh, so the economics is limited to the the price of food is it? OK, lets agree on that so we can have a good laugh at you in a few years when catastrophe doesnt happen. Oh, and for the record, can we have a definition of catastrophe from you?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
So you are retracting your 'data' comment?
No, of course not :D
Munchies_Matt wrote:
No it isnt, it is a freak year.
It is not. My Excel-trendline did not change due to your comment. Here's a hint; it is based on measurements, not on a subjective opinion.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
No empiracle evidence then. You do know how science works right? It needs empiracle data?
Learn to write the word before you use it. "Empirical". And yes, there is data that shows the growing of the desert, shrinking of the rainforest, and changing rain-patterns.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Oh, so the economics is limited to the the price of food is it? OK, lets agree on that so we can have a good laugh at you in a few years when catastrophe doesnt happen.
That's YOUR misinterpretation :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Oh, and for the record, can we have a definition of catastrophe from you?
For me personally, catastrophe does not exist; I have no stake in the outcome, and do not care either way. It is not used in that subjective way, since communicating requires using the same definition - the one in da dictionary :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
So you are retracting your 'data' comment?
No, of course not :D
Munchies_Matt wrote:
No it isnt, it is a freak year.
It is not. My Excel-trendline did not change due to your comment. Here's a hint; it is based on measurements, not on a subjective opinion.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
No empiracle evidence then. You do know how science works right? It needs empiracle data?
Learn to write the word before you use it. "Empirical". And yes, there is data that shows the growing of the desert, shrinking of the rainforest, and changing rain-patterns.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Oh, so the economics is limited to the the price of food is it? OK, lets agree on that so we can have a good laugh at you in a few years when catastrophe doesnt happen.
That's YOUR misinterpretation :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Oh, and for the record, can we have a definition of catastrophe from you?
For me personally, catastrophe does not exist; I have no stake in the outcome, and do not care either way. It is not used in that subjective way, since communicating requires using the same definition - the one in da dictionary :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
So now it isnt a freak year? Wow, you finally agree with me. Did you finally look at the UAH data I linked that shows 2018 is not that hot?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
And yes, there is data that shows the growing of the desert, shrinking of the rainforest, and changing rain-patterns.
Provide that data. Please give us a definition of the catastrophe you said would happen in a few years. Waiting for the data and definition now...
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So now it isnt a freak year? Wow, you finally agree with me. Did you finally look at the UAH data I linked that shows 2018 is not that hot?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
And yes, there is data that shows the growing of the desert, shrinking of the rainforest, and changing rain-patterns.
Provide that data. Please give us a definition of the catastrophe you said would happen in a few years. Waiting for the data and definition now...
Munchies_Matt wrote:
So now it isnt a freak year? Wow, you finally agree with me. Did you finally look at the UAH data I linked that shows 2018 is not that hot?
2018 isn't finished, and we have set some new records. It is not a freak-year, since it is not an exception. It is in line with the trend, and as such, was expected.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Provide that data.
Haha :D Provide me with funding, and I might. If you want something for free, go beg somewhere else; I've already been educating for free for too long :thumbsup:
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Please give us a definition of the catastrophe you said would happen in a few years.
Sure :) noun a sudden and widespread disaster: the catastrophe of war. any misfortune, mishap, or failure; fiasco: The play was so poor our whole evening was a catastrophe. a final event or conclusion, usually an unfortunate one; a disastrous end: the great catastrophe of the Old South at Appomattox.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
So now it isnt a freak year? Wow, you finally agree with me. Did you finally look at the UAH data I linked that shows 2018 is not that hot?
2018 isn't finished, and we have set some new records. It is not a freak-year, since it is not an exception. It is in line with the trend, and as such, was expected.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Provide that data.
Haha :D Provide me with funding, and I might. If you want something for free, go beg somewhere else; I've already been educating for free for too long :thumbsup:
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Please give us a definition of the catastrophe you said would happen in a few years.
Sure :) noun a sudden and widespread disaster: the catastrophe of war. any misfortune, mishap, or failure; fiasco: The play was so poor our whole evening was a catastrophe. a final event or conclusion, usually an unfortunate one; a disastrous end: the great catastrophe of the Old South at Appomattox.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
OK, so just up to now, is it a freak year or not? Still waiting for the data that shows: 1) Expanding desert 2) Shrinking rain forest (due to warming and not chainsaws) 3) Change in rainfall pattern Thanks for your definition of catastrophe. We can have a good laugh in a few years.
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OK, so just up to now, is it a freak year or not? Still waiting for the data that shows: 1) Expanding desert 2) Shrinking rain forest (due to warming and not chainsaws) 3) Change in rainfall pattern Thanks for your definition of catastrophe. We can have a good laugh in a few years.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
OK, so just up to now, is it a freak year or not?
It is not according to data. It is warmer, yes, but that was expected. It will not be a "one off" event.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Still waiting for the data that shows: 1) Expanding desert 2) Shrinking rain forest (due to warming and not chainsaws) 3) Change in rainfall pattern
You can wait for an eternity for all I care :D Also, for rain it matters not if the rainforest is disappearing due to warming or chainsaws.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Thanks for your definition of catastrophe. We can have a good laugh in a few years.
Not "we", but I hope you will :) --edit I got plenty of time btw; I'm assuming you are having a holiday?
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
OK, so just up to now, is it a freak year or not?
It is not according to data. It is warmer, yes, but that was expected. It will not be a "one off" event.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Still waiting for the data that shows: 1) Expanding desert 2) Shrinking rain forest (due to warming and not chainsaws) 3) Change in rainfall pattern
You can wait for an eternity for all I care :D Also, for rain it matters not if the rainforest is disappearing due to warming or chainsaws.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Thanks for your definition of catastrophe. We can have a good laugh in a few years.
Not "we", but I hope you will :) --edit I got plenty of time btw; I'm assuming you are having a holiday?
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It is not according to data.
What data? Care to provide this too?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
ou can wait for an eternity for all I care
Ah, of course. I didnt expect you to. You make statements you cant substantiate with data of any kind. Well, you know what that makes you I am sure, and you dont need me to spell it our for you.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It is not according to data.
What data? Care to provide this too?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
ou can wait for an eternity for all I care
Ah, of course. I didnt expect you to. You make statements you cant substantiate with data of any kind. Well, you know what that makes you I am sure, and you dont need me to spell it our for you.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Care to provide this too?
Already done so; free download at the KNMI. Some other countries provide similar. So, I do not provide it, since it is not "my" data; they provide it, as an aggragate of the weather stations.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Ah, of course. I didnt expect you to. You make statements you cant substantiate with data of any kind.
Always the sofist; on the contrary, I'm using data that is publicly available and used by other institutes. Your arguments here (to convince the coders!) are mostly hit-and-run stuff that can be easily be dismissed; sometimes even by your own arguments.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Well, you know what that makes you I am sure, and you dont need me to spell it our for you.
It makes me the one with the raw facts, and you the one that keeps cherry-picking to find anything that remotely can be used to create more confusion. You are putting a lot of unpaid effort in this; so who is paying for your sandwich? :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Care to provide this too?
Already done so; free download at the KNMI. Some other countries provide similar. So, I do not provide it, since it is not "my" data; they provide it, as an aggragate of the weather stations.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Ah, of course. I didnt expect you to. You make statements you cant substantiate with data of any kind.
Always the sofist; on the contrary, I'm using data that is publicly available and used by other institutes. Your arguments here (to convince the coders!) are mostly hit-and-run stuff that can be easily be dismissed; sometimes even by your own arguments.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Well, you know what that makes you I am sure, and you dont need me to spell it our for you.
It makes me the one with the raw facts, and you the one that keeps cherry-picking to find anything that remotely can be used to create more confusion. You are putting a lot of unpaid effort in this; so who is paying for your sandwich? :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Already done so;
Ah, the old 'already done so' gambit. Care to provide a link to your post with a link to the data? Hmm?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
So, I do not provide it
And now you admit to not providing it. Well well, you changed your mind fast!
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I'm using data
Well please provide it to substantiate your assertions. Other wise be known for being full of shit.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Already done so;
Ah, the old 'already done so' gambit. Care to provide a link to your post with a link to the data? Hmm?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
So, I do not provide it
And now you admit to not providing it. Well well, you changed your mind fast!
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I'm using data
Well please provide it to substantiate your assertions. Other wise be known for being full of shit.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Ah, the old 'already done so' gambit. Care to provide a link to your post with a link to the data?
Search CodeProject? Why would I give you a link I already gave you?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
And now you admit to not providing it. Well well, you changed your mind fast!
Just noting that it is not "my" data, but part of the public domain.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Well please provide it to substantiate your assertions. Other wise be known for being full of sh*t.
That's your place already :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Ah, the old 'already done so' gambit. Care to provide a link to your post with a link to the data?
Search CodeProject? Why would I give you a link I already gave you?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
And now you admit to not providing it. Well well, you changed your mind fast!
Just noting that it is not "my" data, but part of the public domain.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Well please provide it to substantiate your assertions. Other wise be known for being full of sh*t.
That's your place already :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
No, not going to cough up the data to support your assertions? Oh well, Full of Shit Eddie it will have to be then, :)
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No, not going to cough up the data to support your assertions? Oh well, Full of Shit Eddie it will have to be then, :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
No, not going to cough up the data to support your assertions?
It is public available from the mentioned institute. If you are too lazy to look up a link I already sent you, then you could opt for a search engine. It is not hidden or anything like that :D
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Oh well, Full of Sh*t Eddie it will have to be then, :)
Hehe, "moviprep"; and the name is "Eddy" :cool:
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
No, not going to cough up the data to support your assertions?
It is public available from the mentioned institute. If you are too lazy to look up a link I already sent you, then you could opt for a search engine. It is not hidden or anything like that :D
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Oh well, Full of Sh*t Eddie it will have to be then, :)
Hehe, "moviprep"; and the name is "Eddy" :cool:
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
You never sent me a link, so come on, send it now. And the other data you have said exists, but suddenly cant deliver when asked. Getting to be a bit of a pattern with you isnt it.
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You never sent me a link, so come on, send it now. And the other data you have said exists, but suddenly cant deliver when asked. Getting to be a bit of a pattern with you isnt it.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
You never sent me a link, so come on, send it now.
Oh, it is still on CodeProject; they don't throw away our conversations.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Getting to be a bit of a pattern with you isnt it.
Has been like this since we started. You come with nonsense, I explain it, you follow up with an ad-hominem.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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A single experiment is not enough to "prove" that CAGW is not real. Knowing you, it is a biased and cherry-picked piece of text, funded by some large corporation :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
A single experiment is not enough to "prove" that CAGW is not real.
He "proves" it all the time and in many and oddly weird ways.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
You never sent me a link, so come on, send it now.
Oh, it is still on CodeProject; they don't throw away our conversations.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Getting to be a bit of a pattern with you isnt it.
Has been like this since we started. You come with nonsense, I explain it, you follow up with an ad-hominem.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
No, I give you well reasoned argument, backed up by solid evidence, and you jump all over the place, incapable of maintaining a consistent line of argument, and fail to provide one single link to back you up. And it is like this again and again and again. Any wonder I lose my patience with your sillyness?