So Florence was a bit of a flop then
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I suggest that if the residents hadn't thought 'oh, it isnt so bad after all' when the media hype fizzled away they would be better prepared for the flooding. It is very easy to breed complacency with fake news. Complacency kills. I take it you have heard the phrase, crying wolf?
Fake news is utter lies and bullshit. "Crying wolf" is also a bad analogy as the forecasts and warning goes out days ahead of time based on the information available at the time. When evac orders were issued, the hurricane was forecast to come ashore as a Cat 4. There was no indication of anything affecting the strength of the system at the time. Only after people were being evacuated did more information come to light that affected the forecast and reduced the hurricanes strength. That's the problem with people who call out, "oh this is just another Cry Wolf". Those people don't think about when evac orders are issued, they are BASED ON ALL INFORMATION AVAILABLE AT THE TIME. So, yeah, to you, it's "crying wolf". To me, it's "better safe than sorry". Or have you not heard of that one?
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Dave Kreskowiak -
Your post is very informative in several ways. 1 - the link showed me the type of source you rely upon for your world view 2 - Comment like this show a disregard for humanity[^] . . . omit rant - fill in for yourself . . . Basically, you need to find yourself in the middle of a tragedy. Although a bit of a leap of faith, perhaps that will allow you to get your head on straight. Mdm. Guillotine, however, is more likely to succeed in tough case like yours.
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Right, now it is in the soapbox I can reply properly. My statement, storms kill, is in agreement with Ryans statement that this storm is still dangerous. Yet you chose to claim the moral high ground, as did Losinger, by pretending I meant something else. And the reason you did this, as did Losinger, is because I hold a different view of CAGW than you. You are as obvious as the nose on your face sonny.
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I've said my piece, and I know your views on global warming (manmade you disagree with, natural causes you buy). I'm not interested in another rehash. Goodbye.
Right, now it is in the soapbox I can reply. Man is making CO2. CO2 is causing warming. Got that? However there is no long term clear increase in water vapour. Hence the amplification process used in climate models is absent. This means the small warming from CO2 alone, 1 C in a dry atmosphere (and it isnt) is all we will get from taking it to 540 ppm. Got that? It is that simple. Really. Now, what do you not understand about my position on this, and the basic facts?
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You should be fucking ashamed of yourself Losinger, using the deaths of children to grind your pro CAGW axe. You are one sick bastard.
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Turns out it was barely a hurricane: Hurricane Florence, Culmination of Exploitation of Natural Events by Government, Extremists, and Business | Watts Up With That?[^] "By Wednesday evening they already downgraded Florence from a Category 4 to a Category 2, and it came ashore barely as a Category 1. In fact, it was amusing to see how long they continued to report it with wind speeds of 75 mph because if it was 74 mph, it was no longer a hurricane. NOAA control the wind speed determinations with their estimates from one or two flights above the hurricane from which, using models they estimate surface speed. We know these are consistently higher than reality, but a higher speed allows for a higher hurricane category and greater media attention."
Fact is, you can know if it will stay constant, grow or diminish only after it has done so. In safety it's always better to overstate the danger. You don't, more people die pointlessly.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Fact is, you can know if it will stay constant, grow or diminish only after it has done so. In safety it's always better to overstate the danger. You don't, more people die pointlessly.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
Read WUWT, the reason it diminished was cold water and the flattening out due to the lower tropopause.
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Fake news is utter lies and bullshit. "Crying wolf" is also a bad analogy as the forecasts and warning goes out days ahead of time based on the information available at the time. When evac orders were issued, the hurricane was forecast to come ashore as a Cat 4. There was no indication of anything affecting the strength of the system at the time. Only after people were being evacuated did more information come to light that affected the forecast and reduced the hurricanes strength. That's the problem with people who call out, "oh this is just another Cry Wolf". Those people don't think about when evac orders are issued, they are BASED ON ALL INFORMATION AVAILABLE AT THE TIME. So, yeah, to you, it's "crying wolf". To me, it's "better safe than sorry". Or have you not heard of that one?
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Dave KreskowiakDave Kreskowiak wrote:
as the forecasts and warning goes out days ahead of time
I am talking about media weather journalists who, as is clearly the case, have and are hyping this up.
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Right, now it is in the soapbox I can reply properly. My statement, storms kill, is in agreement with Ryans statement that this storm is still dangerous. Yet you chose to claim the moral high ground, as did Losinger, by pretending I meant something else. And the reason you did this, as did Losinger, is because I hold a different view of CAGW than you. You are as obvious as the nose on your face sonny.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
by pretending I meant something else
One Response: You clearly set up the meaning of what you meant and with your Original Post. Even more so in light of your usual posting message style.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
by pretending I meant something else
One Response: You clearly set up the meaning of what you meant and with your Original Post. Even more so in light of your usual posting message style.
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So in calling a hurricane a flop (Florence, Flop? Alliteration? (never mind, :sigh: ) ) I have no respect for humanity (which was your original accusation). Yeah, sure. I know why you chose to interpret it the way you did, it is clear as daylight. You really don't think it is obvious that the people here who most detest my posting about GW are those who tried to take the moral high ground by using the death of people in this storm? A thing in itself quite shameful.
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Fake news is utter lies and bullshit. "Crying wolf" is also a bad analogy as the forecasts and warning goes out days ahead of time based on the information available at the time. When evac orders were issued, the hurricane was forecast to come ashore as a Cat 4. There was no indication of anything affecting the strength of the system at the time. Only after people were being evacuated did more information come to light that affected the forecast and reduced the hurricanes strength. That's the problem with people who call out, "oh this is just another Cry Wolf". Those people don't think about when evac orders are issued, they are BASED ON ALL INFORMATION AVAILABLE AT THE TIME. So, yeah, to you, it's "crying wolf". To me, it's "better safe than sorry". Or have you not heard of that one?
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Dave Kreskowiaklemme just point out that the rainfall predictions were correct. and rain is always the most devastating factor, in this part of the world. the land is low and flat and prone to flooding. the rainfall predictions were correct, so many people who live in the low/flat areas got out of there in time. and they're still out - we have several friends in the Wilmington area who haven't been home since last Thursday. they don't even know if their houses are still standing. but they aren't drowned in brown water! good thing they don't listen to sociopathic trolls like MM here.
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lemme just point out that the rainfall predictions were correct. and rain is always the most devastating factor, in this part of the world. the land is low and flat and prone to flooding. the rainfall predictions were correct, so many people who live in the low/flat areas got out of there in time. and they're still out - we have several friends in the Wilmington area who haven't been home since last Thursday. they don't even know if their houses are still standing. but they aren't drowned in brown water! good thing they don't listen to sociopathic trolls like MM here.
I've got a close friend who has family in Wilmington and Raleigh. They all got out under evac orders and haven't been able to return yet.
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Dave Kreskowiak -
Turns out it was barely a hurricane: Hurricane Florence, Culmination of Exploitation of Natural Events by Government, Extremists, and Business | Watts Up With That?[^] "By Wednesday evening they already downgraded Florence from a Category 4 to a Category 2, and it came ashore barely as a Category 1. In fact, it was amusing to see how long they continued to report it with wind speeds of 75 mph because if it was 74 mph, it was no longer a hurricane. NOAA control the wind speed determinations with their estimates from one or two flights above the hurricane from which, using models they estimate surface speed. We know these are consistently higher than reality, but a higher speed allows for a higher hurricane category and greater media attention."
As a North Carolinian: fuck off As a member of the Guard who sees first hand the people affected by this: fuck off Whether this is the result of some political talking point or not, your attitude is grotesque. We were evacuating people several days in advance and, based on the damage caused by the storm, that fact saved a LOT of lives. If the media hadn't been very clear about the potential rainfall and storm damage most of those people wouldn't have budged. The simple fact is that the media saved lives this time.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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Please, just effin' stop this shit. It is bad enough dealing with family members who want to espouse vitriol and hatred over politics and religion, including their denial of global warming. Coming here and seeing you do the same gets quite old.
Hey, it's the soapbox. Don't want to see it? Don't come here. Simples. Me, I think it's hilarious.
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Hey, it's the soapbox. Don't want to see it? Don't come here. Simples. Me, I think it's hilarious.
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FYI, he spammed this to the lounge, which was where it was when I replied before a mod moved it. Cheers!
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FYI, he spammed this to the lounge, which was where it was when I replied before a mod moved it. Cheers!
Ah, right-on then.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
by pretending I meant something else
One Response: You clearly set up the meaning of what you meant and with your Original Post. Even more so in light of your usual posting message style.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
"If it looks like an ass, sounds like an ass, and smells like an ass . . ."
So you are finally openly admitting the fact. I congratulate you on this formiddable piece of self reflection, well done!
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As a North Carolinian: fuck off As a member of the Guard who sees first hand the people affected by this: fuck off Whether this is the result of some political talking point or not, your attitude is grotesque. We were evacuating people several days in advance and, based on the damage caused by the storm, that fact saved a LOT of lives. If the media hadn't been very clear about the potential rainfall and storm damage most of those people wouldn't have budged. The simple fact is that the media saved lives this time.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
My attitude is grotesque? Do you even recognise what it is, or are you blinded by your own attitude? What is it, are you a pro AGWer or a posturing hero? The fact it it WAS a bit of a flop. From cat 4 hurricane to storm. ( That is a good thing by the way. Just in case you wanted to interpret my 'attitude' again. ) As someone affected, don;t you find the gloating media offensive? Reminds me of the Shetland oil spill. Three sea otters were killed. Two by being run over by journalists...
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My attitude is grotesque? Do you even recognise what it is, or are you blinded by your own attitude? What is it, are you a pro AGWer or a posturing hero? The fact it it WAS a bit of a flop. From cat 4 hurricane to storm. ( That is a good thing by the way. Just in case you wanted to interpret my 'attitude' again. ) As someone affected, don;t you find the gloating media offensive? Reminds me of the Shetland oil spill. Three sea otters were killed. Two by being run over by journalists...
Neither, I was here, not armchair quarterbacking from another fucking country. Hurricane category is strictly based on wind speed around the eyewall and has nothing do do with water output. Florence just sat on the coastline for days and pumped ocean water all through the eastern Carolinas. The flooding was catastrophic and is an ongoing problem, there have been dozens of casualties, and property damage is around $20 billion and counting. That's what you're calling a "flop". The media, being the hyperbolic beast that it is, actually hit the level of devastation pretty well in their over-estimation. Their ringing of alarms definitely saved hundreds or thousands more people than your stupidly-timed attack on said media, based on nothing but politics. But hey, your own politics are so much more important than any lives lost or destroyed. So, yeah, your attitude is grotesque. Fuck off.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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Neither, I was here, not armchair quarterbacking from another fucking country. Hurricane category is strictly based on wind speed around the eyewall and has nothing do do with water output. Florence just sat on the coastline for days and pumped ocean water all through the eastern Carolinas. The flooding was catastrophic and is an ongoing problem, there have been dozens of casualties, and property damage is around $20 billion and counting. That's what you're calling a "flop". The media, being the hyperbolic beast that it is, actually hit the level of devastation pretty well in their over-estimation. Their ringing of alarms definitely saved hundreds or thousands more people than your stupidly-timed attack on said media, based on nothing but politics. But hey, your own politics are so much more important than any lives lost or destroyed. So, yeah, your attitude is grotesque. Fuck off.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
So it is the posturing hero then, since you were there, doing courageous stuff (that is good, I admire you for that) but had to jump on my post to take the moral high ground (that is bad). And yet more swearing and abuse, dear oh dear. Shall I go tell the mods and whine? No, unlike some here I am not a wimp. Whatever problem you have, it is yours. Get over it.
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So it is the posturing hero then, since you were there, doing courageous stuff (that is good, I admire you for that) but had to jump on my post to take the moral high ground (that is bad). And yet more swearing and abuse, dear oh dear. Shall I go tell the mods and whine? No, unlike some here I am not a wimp. Whatever problem you have, it is yours. Get over it.
Oh, I just think that minimizing loss of life and property as a talking point is patently pathetic. I should think that's pretty easy to understand.
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