Gab.com 'no-platformed', thoughts?
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From what I have observed of the law, the "rich and famous" don't fall under the same rules as the rest of us. Furthermore, when a husband/wife team that commits a crime, the sentence for the husband is almost invariably far harsher.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
It's not perfect, no, but I think the more serious the charge the harder it is to use wealth and fame to avoid it, and it seems to be the opposite on twitter; the more powerful you are the harsher and swifter the punishment for disagreeing with twitter. As for sentencing, again that's a different matter related to courts and how the rule, it isn't written into the legislation that one person should be treated more harshly than another.
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It's not perfect, no, but I think the more serious the charge the harder it is to use wealth and fame to avoid it, and it seems to be the opposite on twitter; the more powerful you are the harsher and swifter the punishment for disagreeing with twitter. As for sentencing, again that's a different matter related to courts and how the rule, it isn't written into the legislation that one person should be treated more harshly than another.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
it seems to be the opposite on twitter; the more powerful you are the harsher and swifter the punishment
Is this based upon fact or supposition? After all, you don't hear about everything they do - just what the "rich and famous" - because no one cares. The imperfections - rich vs. poor; male vs. female. Both go against the spirit of the law. As though it ever was respected. But consider this - the current president used his wealth to bankrupt multiple contractors by not paying them. All he need to do was have his attorneys tie up the whole thing in courts until they go bankrupt. "Them what has - gets". The tax system, too, allows those with the most to hide their money from taxation. For example, Mitt Romney (who released his tax forms) paid a net Federal income tax of 14%. How much do you pay? Did he really need a tax cut? Outrage, based upon your political persuasion at George Soros or the Coke Brothers. I deviated - the questions above are rhetorical - and there's privileged on the left, as well, at least as shown with the last example. So - legislate and control the platforms? I wouldn't want the likes of Bernie Sanders sticking his nose into the regulation any more than Mitch McConnell. Both have agendas and they "distasteful" to me in the extreme. And (for example) Mark Zuckerberg? I'm no fan of his, either. He only addresses problems when he's caught. Same as the others, after all. Like in the song "Mrs Robinson" (Simon & Garfunkle): "Any way you look at it you lose."
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
it seems to be the opposite on twitter; the more powerful you are the harsher and swifter the punishment
Is this based upon fact or supposition? After all, you don't hear about everything they do - just what the "rich and famous" - because no one cares. The imperfections - rich vs. poor; male vs. female. Both go against the spirit of the law. As though it ever was respected. But consider this - the current president used his wealth to bankrupt multiple contractors by not paying them. All he need to do was have his attorneys tie up the whole thing in courts until they go bankrupt. "Them what has - gets". The tax system, too, allows those with the most to hide their money from taxation. For example, Mitt Romney (who released his tax forms) paid a net Federal income tax of 14%. How much do you pay? Did he really need a tax cut? Outrage, based upon your political persuasion at George Soros or the Coke Brothers. I deviated - the questions above are rhetorical - and there's privileged on the left, as well, at least as shown with the last example. So - legislate and control the platforms? I wouldn't want the likes of Bernie Sanders sticking his nose into the regulation any more than Mitch McConnell. Both have agendas and they "distasteful" to me in the extreme. And (for example) Mark Zuckerberg? I'm no fan of his, either. He only addresses problems when he's caught. Same as the others, after all. Like in the song "Mrs Robinson" (Simon & Garfunkle): "Any way you look at it you lose."
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Is this based upon fact or supposition?
Anecdotal evidence. There are lots of minor accounts that do nothing but spew hate all day and nothing happens. There are some well-known celebrities that have said some horrible things on twitter and no action is taken. Then people like Alex Jones are un-personed, Candice Owens has her account restricted and so on. The list of conservatives on twitter that have been sanctioned is long.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
and all of the banks get together to simultaneously
It's not a very good analogy because if all the banks decided to pick on me that would suggest the heavy hand of an authoritarian government so I really don't have any solution to that sort of predicament.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Let's say ISPs do the same and disconnect you from the internet.
I think that regulating the internet like a public utility might be the way to go. It has been proposed previously but Republicans currently in power oppose it and they oppose net neutrality as well. So in the deregulated world that Republicans desire, I could get blocked and would have no recourse.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
Majerus wrote:
I think that regulating the internet like a public utility might be the way to go. It has been proposed previously but Republicans currently in power oppose it and they oppose net neutrality as well. So in the deregulated world that Republicans desire, I could get blocked and would have no recourse.
You know the internet isn't American, right?
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
Is this based upon fact or supposition?
Anecdotal evidence. There are lots of minor accounts that do nothing but spew hate all day and nothing happens. There are some well-known celebrities that have said some horrible things on twitter and no action is taken. Then people like Alex Jones are un-personed, Candice Owens has her account restricted and so on. The list of conservatives on twitter that have been sanctioned is long.
Alex Jones - if he actually believed the stuff he spews/promotes, he should be committed. He doesn't. He has been spreading hateful hurtful speech for a long time - he finally (and all too late) got called out on it. Candice Jones - I noted this for her recent "history":
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In October 2018, during the bombing attempts targeting prominent Democrats, Owens tried to spread the conspiracy theory that the assassination attempts were a "false flag" operation by "leftists".[44] After authorities arrested a 56 year old suspect who is a registered Republican and Trump supporter on October 26, Owens deleted her comments without explanation.[45]
IF (and I UC'd it deliberately) the right wing is suffering from more bannings it is because of their new boldness in making any statements they want with, for the most part, impunity. Per the quote, above, a lot of conservatives spouted out their explanation, which had no basis in fact but did have a motive to keep the pot of hate stirred; division amplified. Hump would call it fake news . . . if it came from a liberal. There's a reason behind this: it is a source of power and that means money. As long as their is divisions there are those who can make a good living off of it. Think of Al Sharpton - a dyed-in-the-well sleaze. How would he make a living if people got along? Hanity, with the monstrous platform of Faux News, can spout any shit he wants to - they increase his rating and that's the type of shit that makes the station money. And if he's proven wrong . . . well that's not his problem. Lefties blame the right. Righties blame the left. Everyone's looking for someone to blame. They're all all just a commodity . . . suckers.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Majerus wrote:
I think that regulating the internet like a public utility might be the way to go. It has been proposed previously but Republicans currently in power oppose it and they oppose net neutrality as well. So in the deregulated world that Republicans desire, I could get blocked and would have no recourse.
You know the internet isn't American, right?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
ou know the internet isn't American
But I live in the US, the cables that come into my house are in the US and so is my ISP. And even if my ISP did not reside in the US, if it wishes to do business in the US, it can be regulated.
Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berne
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In case you don't know, Gab.com had everything internet pulled out from under them for having the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter as one of their users. Article[^] Just wondering what the community here at CP thinks about this. Does Gab.com deserve this, do you think that they are the victim of circumstance, or is this this a coordinated attack against them**? What does this say about the freedom of the internet? Could any site or service be erased from the internet for providing alternative services? Discuss. ** Given the speed at which they disappeared from the web, I'm leaning toward attack.
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I saw this article that Medium had apparently deleted: Gab.com Statement On The Tree of Life Synagogue Shooting[^]
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Alex Jones - if he actually believed the stuff he spews/promotes, he should be committed. He doesn't. He has been spreading hateful hurtful speech for a long time - he finally (and all too late) got called out on it. Candice Jones - I noted this for her recent "history":
Quote:
In October 2018, during the bombing attempts targeting prominent Democrats, Owens tried to spread the conspiracy theory that the assassination attempts were a "false flag" operation by "leftists".[44] After authorities arrested a 56 year old suspect who is a registered Republican and Trump supporter on October 26, Owens deleted her comments without explanation.[45]
IF (and I UC'd it deliberately) the right wing is suffering from more bannings it is because of their new boldness in making any statements they want with, for the most part, impunity. Per the quote, above, a lot of conservatives spouted out their explanation, which had no basis in fact but did have a motive to keep the pot of hate stirred; division amplified. Hump would call it fake news . . . if it came from a liberal. There's a reason behind this: it is a source of power and that means money. As long as their is divisions there are those who can make a good living off of it. Think of Al Sharpton - a dyed-in-the-well sleaze. How would he make a living if people got along? Hanity, with the monstrous platform of Faux News, can spout any shit he wants to - they increase his rating and that's the type of shit that makes the station money. And if he's proven wrong . . . well that's not his problem. Lefties blame the right. Righties blame the left. Everyone's looking for someone to blame. They're all all just a commodity . . . suckers.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
He has been spreading hateful hurtful speech for a long time
Have to admit I'm not familiar with his work, you see when I don't agree with someone I simply don't listen to what they have to say. Maybe you could give me examples of the hate speech he spreads?
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
He has been spreading hateful hurtful speech for a long time
Have to admit I'm not familiar with his work, you see when I don't agree with someone I simply don't listen to what they have to say. Maybe you could give me examples of the hate speech he spreads?
Alex Jones - Wikipedia[^] Hateful speech, fear, uncertainty, and gullibility are this stock-in-trade. You can just start at the top, although his views are a little further down the page. And that's even before the "Controversies" section.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Alex Jones - Wikipedia[^] Hateful speech, fear, uncertainty, and gullibility are this stock-in-trade. You can just start at the top, although his views are a little further down the page. And that's even before the "Controversies" section.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Hateful speech, fear, uncertainty, and gullibility are this stock-in-trade.
So it won't be hard for you to give me actual examples of the kind of hate speech that is his stock-in-trade?
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
Hateful speech, fear, uncertainty, and gullibility are this stock-in-trade.
So it won't be hard for you to give me actual examples of the kind of hate speech that is his stock-in-trade?
The Wikipedia link gave you quite a list. If, for example, denying Sandy Hook Massacre occurred is hurtful to the families who lost their children, then there's no point continuing. As for the rest - the article gives a litany and I suspect Google or Bing probably work on your system as well as mine. Or just Google him, yourself, and pick anything off the list. Conversely, if you're a fan of his, what point are you trying to make?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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The Wikipedia link gave you quite a list. If, for example, denying Sandy Hook Massacre occurred is hurtful to the families who lost their children, then there's no point continuing. As for the rest - the article gives a litany and I suspect Google or Bing probably work on your system as well as mine. Or just Google him, yourself, and pick anything off the list. Conversely, if you're a fan of his, what point are you trying to make?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I asked about hateful speech, not hurtful speech. So despite hate speech being his stock-in-trade you have failed to give me any examples despite being asked twice.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
what point are you trying to make?
The point I'm trying to make is that leftists label anything they don't agree with as "hate speech", and anyone who has opinions they don't agree with as a "nazi". The left use this kind of language to dehumanise and invalidate people and their opinions. An opinion being something you don't agree with doesn't make it hate speech. I consider the point well made.
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I asked about hateful speech, not hurtful speech. So despite hate speech being his stock-in-trade you have failed to give me any examples despite being asked twice.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
what point are you trying to make?
The point I'm trying to make is that leftists label anything they don't agree with as "hate speech", and anyone who has opinions they don't agree with as a "nazi". The left use this kind of language to dehumanise and invalidate people and their opinions. An opinion being something you don't agree with doesn't make it hate speech. I consider the point well made.
Or, to put things into a perspective that includes reality: The right lies easier than they breathe. When called out on it they play the "gotcha" game. You know just what he does; just what he is; and just why he his removal was long long overdue. Find another playmate for the game. I will, instead, adopt your tactic. Prove that scumbag isn't accurately described as I described him.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Or, to put things into a perspective that includes reality: The right lies easier than they breathe. When called out on it they play the "gotcha" game. You know just what he does; just what he is; and just why he his removal was long long overdue. Find another playmate for the game. I will, instead, adopt your tactic. Prove that scumbag isn't accurately described as I described him.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
You know just what he does;
As I said, I'm not familiar with him but from my understanding he is a crank who peddles conspiracy theories. I don't consider that hate speech though. The left call things "hate speech" as an attempt to silence them, but that doesn't make it true. Third post and still not a single example.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Prove that scumbag isn't accurately described as I described him
You can't prove a negative, asking me to do so is a fallacious argument.
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Or, to put things into a perspective that includes reality: The right lies easier than they breathe. When called out on it they play the "gotcha" game. You know just what he does; just what he is; and just why he his removal was long long overdue. Find another playmate for the game. I will, instead, adopt your tactic. Prove that scumbag isn't accurately described as I described him.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Prove that scumbag isn't accurately described as I described him.
That one's easy. Watch every single video, and listen to every single podcast. You won't find any hate speech. That's your proof that you're wrong.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
You know just what he does;
As I said, I'm not familiar with him but from my understanding he is a crank who peddles conspiracy theories. I don't consider that hate speech though. The left call things "hate speech" as an attempt to silence them, but that doesn't make it true. Third post and still not a single example.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Prove that scumbag isn't accurately described as I described him
You can't prove a negative, asking me to do so is a fallacious argument.
If you're actually curious this is probably about the worst coverage of him Is false Sandy Hook conspiracy free speech? - YouTube[^]
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
Prove that scumbag isn't accurately described as I described him.
That one's easy. Watch every single video, and listen to every single podcast. You won't find any hate speech. That's your proof that you're wrong.
The only "proof" in your post is that you wouldn't know it if you heard it.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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If you're actually curious this is probably about the worst coverage of him Is false Sandy Hook conspiracy free speech? - YouTube[^]
If that's the worst then it confirms he does not spread hate speech :)
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Redefine . . . or just start calling it what it is? When you post about committing genocide - encouraging others to begin the process - is that protected? Yes? Do you allow recruitment for the task? Just find yourself as the target and then distinctions become all too clear!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
When you post about committing genocide - encouraging others to begin the process - is that protected? Yes?
That's literally incitement and is not protected speech. Not sure what you're trying to say here.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
When you post about committing genocide - encouraging others to begin the process - is that protected? Yes?
That's literally incitement and is not protected speech. Not sure what you're trying to say here.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
Nathan Minier wrote:
That's literally incitement and is not protected speech. Not sure what you're trying to say here.
There's a context to this entire thread - it should become clear from that.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010