How do I tell them I reconsidered?
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This is actually more like breaking off an engagement than disrespecting your wife.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
Justify as you see fit to allow you to sleep at night; however, I agree that it is unprofessional. In any event, since nothing concerning this job is in writing yet, you don't need a formal letter to tell them you do not want the job (unless you have written a letter accepting the job). Basically, maintain consistency of correspondence. Explain your situation to the extent you think necessary. You are not "saving face" with Company A here anyway; you now NEVER have a chance of being employed there: your record is in the system, and will always be referenced as "a quitter" in the future. Depending on how well management at Company A is connected to other companies, your reputation will precede you as you go through your career and fallout from this may exist for a while. Or it may not. Much like a relationship, the longer you wait to break it off, the more damage will occur.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
And here I was thinking you weren't showing up to work because you were too busy at the pub. Don't even try and expense that off as "research"
But I'm drinking lots of different things. That's experimentation and research right there.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
But I'm drinking lots of different things
FTFY
cheers Chris Maunder
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Yeah the laborer has to do a decent amount of work beyond just sending in resumes. I had several interviews and code tests and whatnot. Definitely not free. I also understand that if it made sense for them, they'd cancel on me even after I'd quit my current job. I've seen that happen before (not to me, but to a friend).
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
loctrice wrote:
I also understand that if it made sense for them, they'd cancel on me even after I'd quit my current job. I've seen that happen before (not to me, but to a friend).
Happened to me. After I moved, in fact. Company decided they were fine with their old system and let 3 new hires go days before we started. I even drove 13 hours to an interview for that job. Learned my lesson. Now I'm just chilling in the middle of nowhere Kansas. Thinking of hopping over to CO after I finish school.
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I recently accepted an offer from company A. I didn't have time to wait for company B as the offer would expire. Sure enough company B made me an offer that I can't refuse. I'm comfortable with my decision, but I don't know a good/professional way to tell company A that I've reconsidered. You can find things like resignation letter examples on line, but I don't see any examples of this. Ideas? Suggestions?
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
I once had 2 offers at the same time from A & B. I chose A, gave B a chance to barter but they did not. I then started working for A for a month, then B calls me back and wants to offer more money and pleads with me to leave A. At this point, A had already bought me a laptop, and international plane tickets to attend training. So I had to tell B, sorry, you took too long. Company B actually closed shop 3 or 4 years later and I'm still at A. Probably just luck, but I'm going to call it good karma... LOL.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
as what you are doing is unprofessional (sorry, but it is!)
No apologies necessary. I'm aware of this. You can see details below if you want. I think mentioning another offer may be more information than is needed. I may just tell them I've reconsidered and decided it's not going to work. FYI: There was a relocation package on the table the entire time. Through the process they decided to put me in for a different job than I was approached with, and then I "qualified" for one level down from that. This meant the pay was less as well as no relocation package. I was going to do it anyway because there's a sign on bonus that would cover it but I'd have to live there myself until my first check and then bring the family.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
No issue here - "upon further thought I've decided the job you offered is not what I am looking for" and be done with it. They apparently reconsidered too else they would not have switched jobs after the interview. In a year's time no one will even remember it happened.
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Agree - make it non-personal. Blame "circumstances" not personal choice. Do this sooner rather than later if you are feeling guilty about letting down company A; BUT do wait until you've had and accepted a formal offer from B, otherwise it becomes very awkward to go back to A and say, "you know that job offer I turned down? Due to a change in circumstances..." :doh:
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What is complicated in my mind is I "formally" accepted. I didn't do any paperwork yet though. There are forms and a drug screen I have to do in order to be truly hired. But yes, your description sounds right.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
Just be honest and tell Company A what just happened. You have no obligation to go through if you haven't take any of the sign-on bonus money. Situation like happens all the time. If Company A doesn't understand that, you wouldn't want to work for them anyway. What you need to do is weight on which job or company is better in the long run.
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You must have heard the saying that "A man is only as good as his word." He has made a commitment to the first company. Breaking that commitment makes him at best.. a liar. So, yes it is definitely unprofessional. Try testing that approach on your wife. "Honey, I'm with you until something better comes along." - let us know how that goes?
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I'm not sure where you live but everything here is "at will". There's no legal obligation at all and the moral obligation only seems to apply to the employee not the business. I've seen someone walked out of many jobs with no notice at all, and I've seen people rage quit and storm out. This company knew I was interviewing with other companies. I think that's why they put a very short time limit on the offer they extended.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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I don't think they thought I was desperate. They knew I was talking with other companies, and had at least one offer. I think at least a good part of it was corporate limitations since it's such a large company. I mean I think they tried their best offer because they knew I wasn't desperate.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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I recently accepted an offer from company A. I didn't have time to wait for company B as the offer would expire. Sure enough company B made me an offer that I can't refuse. I'm comfortable with my decision, but I don't know a good/professional way to tell company A that I've reconsidered. You can find things like resignation letter examples on line, but I don't see any examples of this. Ideas? Suggestions?
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
NEVER, EVER, EVER reconsider. Especially from a company that has already reneged on their original offer. NEVER, EVER, EVER reconsider.
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There is no good\professional way of doing this as what you are doing is unprofessional (sorry, but it is!). Just tell them succinctly that you're declining as you got another offer. Also check the small-print of anything you have signed or agreed to in case there is anything covering this.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
as what you are doing is unprofessional (sorry, but it is!)
No apologies necessary. I'm aware of this. You can see details below if you want. I think mentioning another offer may be more information than is needed. I may just tell them I've reconsidered and decided it's not going to work. FYI: There was a relocation package on the table the entire time. Through the process they decided to put me in for a different job than I was approached with, and then I "qualified" for one level down from that. This meant the pay was less as well as no relocation package. I was going to do it anyway because there's a sign on bonus that would cover it but I'd have to live there myself until my first check and then bring the family.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
Apart from maybe accepting the alternate offer too quickly, I see no fault on your part. Company A should accept it if you tell them you reconsidered. If they're professional they shouldn't bother you by asking for a reason (it might be obvious anyway after they shoved you to a different job). It would be different if they offered you the job you applied for. But even then: it's your and your family's future that depends on this decision - nobody has the right to question that as long as you're not breaking any contract.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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You must have heard the saying that "A man is only as good as his word." He has made a commitment to the first company. Breaking that commitment makes him at best.. a liar. So, yes it is definitely unprofessional. Try testing that approach on your wife. "Honey, I'm with you until something better comes along." - let us know how that goes?
He didn't exactly 'give his word', much less propose to the company. He made a decision, he thought about it, he reconsidered. To me that is a more reasonable and professional approach than sticking to the first decision no matter how wrong it was. OTOH, going through with a decision that you realize was wrong is definitely unprofessional. Did he lie when he accepted the offer? No. Lying implies intent. He didn't intend to retract his commitment. The world would be a better place if everyone in a position to do so would regularly reassess his past decisions and correct them while it's only causing a minimal side effects rather than waiting until it all breaks down.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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Yeah the laborer has to do a decent amount of work beyond just sending in resumes. I had several interviews and code tests and whatnot. Definitely not free. I also understand that if it made sense for them, they'd cancel on me even after I'd quit my current job. I've seen that happen before (not to me, but to a friend).
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
Happened to me too. Got an interview, then an offer, and a couple of days later a friend of theirs got the job instead. So much for moral obligations... Thankfully I had waited on responses from other companies before telling them to ignore my other applications, so I had no trouble taking another offer.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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I recently accepted an offer from company A. I didn't have time to wait for company B as the offer would expire. Sure enough company B made me an offer that I can't refuse. I'm comfortable with my decision, but I don't know a good/professional way to tell company A that I've reconsidered. You can find things like resignation letter examples on line, but I don't see any examples of this. Ideas? Suggestions?
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
Send me 10 bucks through paypal, and i'll write one formal letter to company A for you. Or you can just call company A, talk to the guy in charge as politely as possible about your situation, and your life continues with company B. :thumbsup: