Need advice for a workstation
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well a bit late to the party but my 2 cents worth. graphics card: nah, I've just built a new machine very similar (except mines intel) and I don't miss the graphics card at all, even doing CAD. Not missed at all. m2 drive they run hot, and cause the chipset to run really hot, so 1. more case cooling - but gets weird coz too much cooling can be as bad too 2. skip the m2 [for now] ??? well seriously you will not notice the difference in your usage boot time difference on a SATA ssd vs m2: less than a second. And once booted: difference is none you will ever notice (except in SOME really hard core games.) m2 will likely reduce the life of your mobo, and during heavy compiles (on really large projects) may even cause thermal shutdowns unless you really have the cooling well figured out. skip the spinner, throw in a couple of 1TB SSD's (for SSD 1TB are the best gb/$ at the moment.) In a year or so you will see m2 daughter boards (with better cooling in mind) - already some coming out right now but expensive/proprietary - early days. could always fit a m2 later once they have the cooling properly figured out. (also predictions that SSD prices will drop by midyear plus m2 drives will get better capacity too.) Oh, next seriously think about installing linux and running windows in VM(s) - can run multiple copies, can take/rollback to snapshots, totally separate the dev env from testing... and linux makes good use of powerful hardware, windows not so much.
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Thank you for taking the time to respond. Very useful information to consider before my final selection of parts as still tweaking and verifying everything should work together before I pull the trigger on my purchases. I have thought about a linux OS just despite my username I haven't played with linux in a while and not sure which OS would be a good one to try. I have to look up John's posts as I know he's been sharing some tips about his migration to linux from Windows. Again thank you and have a great day.
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Always happens when people talking about hardware that others go I want to buy some too :). If you don't mind which brand do you select for the PCI nvME SSD as I'm reading up on those and tempted to get one.
Samsung - there were others that were less expensive, but most of those ship from China and take MONTHS to arrive.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Thank you for taking the time to respond. Very useful information to consider before my final selection of parts as still tweaking and verifying everything should work together before I pull the trigger on my purchases. I have thought about a linux OS just despite my username I haven't played with linux in a while and not sure which OS would be a good one to try. I have to look up John's posts as I know he's been sharing some tips about his migration to linux from Windows. Again thank you and have a great day.
Ubuntu or Mint (based on Ubuntu, but with a less traumatic UI change for long-time Windows users). If you want something lighter weight, use Lubuntu, but your system specs don't really require a lighter distro.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Samsung - there were others that were less expensive, but most of those ship from China and take MONTHS to arrive.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Ubuntu or Mint (based on Ubuntu, but with a less traumatic UI change for long-time Windows users). If you want something lighter weight, use Lubuntu, but your system specs don't really require a lighter distro.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Thank you for taking the time to respond. Very useful information to consider before my final selection of parts as still tweaking and verifying everything should work together before I pull the trigger on my purchases. I have thought about a linux OS just despite my username I haven't played with linux in a while and not sure which OS would be a good one to try. I have to look up John's posts as I know he's been sharing some tips about his migration to linux from Windows. Again thank you and have a great day.
Quick note: NewEgg has the ASUS ROG Strix B450-F on a 48 hour sale (40 hrs left) for $109.99 Edit: promo code: EMCERSP22 in case you don't see it specs are very similar, Strix has dual m2 (vs single), slightly better sound, but what I like most is it has HDMI 2.0 + DP versus HDMI + DVI-D - display port is far more common in monitors = more choices (esp if going dual screens)
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Quick note: NewEgg has the ASUS ROG Strix B450-F on a 48 hour sale (40 hrs left) for $109.99 Edit: promo code: EMCERSP22 in case you don't see it specs are very similar, Strix has dual m2 (vs single), slightly better sound, but what I like most is it has HDMI 2.0 + DP versus HDMI + DVI-D - display port is far more common in monitors = more choices (esp if going dual screens)
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
250gb will not hold your c drive.
Really? I have separate, full dev environments running inside 128GB VHDs, and have never had a need to make anything larger. But perhaps that's the key...? Not lump multiple instances of things together? I don't have anything running on the host other than necessary drivers. Since I never reboot it, for the longest time, my host OS was on an 80GB spinner - but with the VMs on SSDs.
There is a vast difference between the c drive contents and a development environment, all those other applications you may need/want usually get installed on the c: not just your dev tools.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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There is a vast difference between the c drive contents and a development environment, all those other applications you may need/want usually get installed on the c: not just your dev tools.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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There is a vast difference between the c drive contents and a development environment, all those other applications you may need/want usually get installed on the c: not just your dev tools.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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I need some advice as I'm trying to build a new workstation my current one is fading away and got all my data backed up. I'm just looking for a programmer/productivity machine with no intention of playing games on it as I have game consoles for that. I am planning to just write code and would like to do some virtualization to be able to test my code in different environments along with database development. I hope the link below will show the specs I picked out correctly and would like to see if there are any changes that would need to be made that would ensure I can do what I'm hoping for. Thank you for any assistance and have a wonderful day. System Builder - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core, Radeon RX 580 8 GB ARMOR MK2 OC, View 22 Tempered Glass Edition ATX Mid Tower - PCPartPicker[^]
Personally I would stick with Intel chipset/cpu if you are going to be using VMWare. Agree with others re SDD, I would have a 250GB for your main boot/OS, a second 250GB for your VM boot/OS and then a pair of mirrored 1-2TB mechanical drives for data storage (both for real and VMs). As said elsewhere, no need for a graphics card unless you want to go for more than two monitors - an Asus H270 has dual video out already. An Intel network card for the VMs would also make life a lot simpler.
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You don’t need a 850w power supply, and you don’t need a video card at all unless you need dual monitor support, and even then you can get one a lot cheaper than the one you selected (personally, I prefer nvidia cards). Also, you may regret getting a case that has a glass side panel. Finally compare prices with Newegg. The same cpu on Newegg is $150.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Personally I would stick with Intel chipset/cpu if you are going to be using VMWare. Agree with others re SDD, I would have a 250GB for your main boot/OS, a second 250GB for your VM boot/OS and then a pair of mirrored 1-2TB mechanical drives for data storage (both for real and VMs). As said elsewhere, no need for a graphics card unless you want to go for more than two monitors - an Asus H270 has dual video out already. An Intel network card for the VMs would also make life a lot simpler.
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You don’t need a 850w power supply, and you don’t need a video card at all unless you need dual monitor support, and even then you can get one a lot cheaper than the one you selected (personally, I prefer nvidia cards). Also, you may regret getting a case that has a glass side panel. Finally compare prices with Newegg. The same cpu on Newegg is $150.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013I refuse to buy from Newegg anymore, when a cheap drive I got from them was defective and they would only take it back for a replacement, no refund.
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I refuse to buy from Newegg anymore, when a cheap drive I got from them was defective and they would only take it back for a replacement, no refund.
I've never gotten a defective part from NewEgg.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
I need some advice as I'm trying to build a new workstation my current one is fading away and got all my data backed up. I'm just looking for a programmer/productivity machine with no intention of playing games on it as I have game consoles for that. I am planning to just write code and would like to do some virtualization to be able to test my code in different environments along with database development. I hope the link below will show the specs I picked out correctly and would like to see if there are any changes that would need to be made that would ensure I can do what I'm hoping for. Thank you for any assistance and have a wonderful day. System Builder - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core, Radeon RX 580 8 GB ARMOR MK2 OC, View 22 Tempered Glass Edition ATX Mid Tower - PCPartPicker[^]
I’d go for a 1tb SSD over the 10k rpm spinner. Cheaper and faster. I used AMD cpus/chipsets for years but switched to intel CPUs/chipsets about five years ago. Kept running into situations where AMD didn’t support this or that new feature, whereas just about everything is support on Intel platform. If you go Intel, get an “H” motherboard. The main thing the “X” motherboards support (over H) is overclocking. If you’re not gaming, you probably don’t need it. And PCIe x4 SSD is definitely the way to go for your system drive.
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I need some advice as I'm trying to build a new workstation my current one is fading away and got all my data backed up. I'm just looking for a programmer/productivity machine with no intention of playing games on it as I have game consoles for that. I am planning to just write code and would like to do some virtualization to be able to test my code in different environments along with database development. I hope the link below will show the specs I picked out correctly and would like to see if there are any changes that would need to be made that would ensure I can do what I'm hoping for. Thank you for any assistance and have a wonderful day. System Builder - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core, Radeon RX 580 8 GB ARMOR MK2 OC, View 22 Tempered Glass Edition ATX Mid Tower - PCPartPicker[^]
I find the 250 GB SSD for a "loaded" "developer" machine (Windows 10) barely adequate (juggling less than 25 GB free space on that drive). Check your specs against those required for MR development. [https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/help/4039260/windows-10-mixed-reality-pc-hardware-guidelines\](https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/help/4039260/windows-10-mixed-reality-pc-hardware-guidelines)
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal
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I find the 250 GB SSD for a "loaded" "developer" machine (Windows 10) barely adequate (juggling less than 25 GB free space on that drive). Check your specs against those required for MR development. [https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/help/4039260/windows-10-mixed-reality-pc-hardware-guidelines\](https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/help/4039260/windows-10-mixed-reality-pc-hardware-guidelines)
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal
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I’d go for a 1tb SSD over the 10k rpm spinner. Cheaper and faster. I used AMD cpus/chipsets for years but switched to intel CPUs/chipsets about five years ago. Kept running into situations where AMD didn’t support this or that new feature, whereas just about everything is support on Intel platform. If you go Intel, get an “H” motherboard. The main thing the “X” motherboards support (over H) is overclocking. If you’re not gaming, you probably don’t need it. And PCIe x4 SSD is definitely the way to go for your system drive.
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I went with the "bread box". Lots of room to work in. Cool running. [Thermaltake - Global - Core V21 - CA-1D5-00S1WN-00](https://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C\_00002559)
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal
