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Remember the classic book, Code Complete?

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  • R raddevus

    I was at HalfPriceBooks and stumbled upon an old copy of Code Complete by Steve McConnell[^] and I was wondering why no one has written an updated version of such a book with C# or even JavaScript as the language used in the book. (The original uses C, not even C++ from what I remember.) Have you read any recent books like Code Complete? I've recently read one that is close and is really fantastic : Clean Architecture: A Craftsman's Guide to Software Structure and Design (Robert C. Martin Series) 1, Robert C. Martin, eBook - Amazon.com[^] Martin talks about things that I've never heard anyone else talk about that really expose what software development is like in real businesses. And he provides many ideas to alleviate the issues. Really well written too so it's a fast read.

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    realJSOP
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    I still have my copy of that book. :)

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      raddevus wrote:

      I've recently read one that is close and is really fantastic

      Hah, chapter 25 has a section called Hunt the Wumpus! Awesome, I wonder how many people nowadays know about [that reference](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunt\_the\_Wumpus). I'll have to get the book just to read that section! [Gregory Yob](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory\_Yob) was actually quite a mentor for me in my late teens -- we hung out together quite a lot and he actually rented a room from me for a while in San Diego.

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      Marc Clifton wrote:

      ...I wonder how many people nowadays know about that reference.

      Probably about as many that know of Windows' Burgermaster memory segment.

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        Marc Clifton wrote:

        ...I wonder how many people nowadays know about that reference.

        Probably about as many that know of Windows' Burgermaster memory segment.

        "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

        "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

        "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

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        raddevus
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        David Crow wrote:

        know of Windows' Burgermaster memory segment

        That's a good one. I remember reading about that in a book when I was learning about Win 3.x API programming. Was the story in Petzold's book? I think so, but can't remember.

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        • R raddevus

          I was at HalfPriceBooks and stumbled upon an old copy of Code Complete by Steve McConnell[^] and I was wondering why no one has written an updated version of such a book with C# or even JavaScript as the language used in the book. (The original uses C, not even C++ from what I remember.) Have you read any recent books like Code Complete? I've recently read one that is close and is really fantastic : Clean Architecture: A Craftsman's Guide to Software Structure and Design (Robert C. Martin Series) 1, Robert C. Martin, eBook - Amazon.com[^] Martin talks about things that I've never heard anyone else talk about that really expose what software development is like in real businesses. And he provides many ideas to alleviate the issues. Really well written too so it's a fast read.

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          Jon McKee
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          I have Code Complete 2nd Edition. Can confirm it uses C++ mainly but does have some Java and VB examples. Still a good suggestion for an updated edition with C# or something :thumbsup:

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          • R raddevus

            I was at HalfPriceBooks and stumbled upon an old copy of Code Complete by Steve McConnell[^] and I was wondering why no one has written an updated version of such a book with C# or even JavaScript as the language used in the book. (The original uses C, not even C++ from what I remember.) Have you read any recent books like Code Complete? I've recently read one that is close and is really fantastic : Clean Architecture: A Craftsman's Guide to Software Structure and Design (Robert C. Martin Series) 1, Robert C. Martin, eBook - Amazon.com[^] Martin talks about things that I've never heard anyone else talk about that really expose what software development is like in real businesses. And he provides many ideas to alleviate the issues. Really well written too so it's a fast read.

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            GKP1992
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            raddevus wrote:

            I was wondering why no one has written an updated version of such a book with C# or even JavaScript as the language used in the book.

            For JS I find JavaScript: The Good Parts[^] really insightful. For C#, Jon Skeet's C# in Depth[^] is a good read. I'm waiting for the C#7 edition.

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            • R raddevus

              I was at HalfPriceBooks and stumbled upon an old copy of Code Complete by Steve McConnell[^] and I was wondering why no one has written an updated version of such a book with C# or even JavaScript as the language used in the book. (The original uses C, not even C++ from what I remember.) Have you read any recent books like Code Complete? I've recently read one that is close and is really fantastic : Clean Architecture: A Craftsman's Guide to Software Structure and Design (Robert C. Martin Series) 1, Robert C. Martin, eBook - Amazon.com[^] Martin talks about things that I've never heard anyone else talk about that really expose what software development is like in real businesses. And he provides many ideas to alleviate the issues. Really well written too so it's a fast read.

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              That book didn't do all that much for me. As a C++ guy, I liked Scott Meyers's "50 Great Ways ..." books (although the book on STL was hairy due to the horrific compilation errors part & parcel of STL) both for the code examples but also for the software engineering ideas behind them.

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              • R raddevus

                I was at HalfPriceBooks and stumbled upon an old copy of Code Complete by Steve McConnell[^] and I was wondering why no one has written an updated version of such a book with C# or even JavaScript as the language used in the book. (The original uses C, not even C++ from what I remember.) Have you read any recent books like Code Complete? I've recently read one that is close and is really fantastic : Clean Architecture: A Craftsman's Guide to Software Structure and Design (Robert C. Martin Series) 1, Robert C. Martin, eBook - Amazon.com[^] Martin talks about things that I've never heard anyone else talk about that really expose what software development is like in real businesses. And he provides many ideas to alleviate the issues. Really well written too so it's a fast read.

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                There are two editions. The first, [Code Complete (Microsoft Programming): Steve McConnell](https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Microsoft-Programming-Steve-McConnell/dp/1556154844/ref=sr\_1\_9?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1547107605&sr=1-9) was published in 1993. The second, published in 2004 is the one you reference. Both editions are "high level", in the sense that the lessons may be applied to any language. Note that neither book is a coding tutorial. Their target audience is more the designer than the low-level coder.

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                  I still have my copy of that book. :)

                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                  When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                  charlieg
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                  Sitting on my shelf. Still a great source of common sense coding.

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                  • J Jon McKee

                    I have Code Complete 2nd Edition. Can confirm it uses C++ mainly but does have some Java and VB examples. Still a good suggestion for an updated edition with C# or something :thumbsup:

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                    raddevus
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                    Jon McKee wrote:

                    Can confirm it uses C++ mainly but does have some Java and VB examples.

                    :thumbsup: That's right the 2nd ed. does use those other languages as well. I couldn't quite remember.

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                      raddevus wrote:

                      I was wondering why no one has written an updated version of such a book with C# or even JavaScript as the language used in the book.

                      For JS I find JavaScript: The Good Parts[^] really insightful. For C#, Jon Skeet's C# in Depth[^] is a good read. I'm waiting for the C#7 edition.

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                      raddevus
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                      Those are two good books. I should go back and take another try at both of those. Good Parts was tough for me the first time I read it many years ago. I think I only got through chapter 3 of the Skeet book.

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                        That book didn't do all that much for me. As a C++ guy, I liked Scott Meyers's "50 Great Ways ..." books (although the book on STL was hairy due to the horrific compilation errors part & parcel of STL) both for the code examples but also for the software engineering ideas behind them.

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                        raddevus
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                        That Scott Meyers book is a classic too.

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                        • D Daniel Pfeffer

                          There are two editions. The first, [Code Complete (Microsoft Programming): Steve McConnell](https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Microsoft-Programming-Steve-McConnell/dp/1556154844/ref=sr\_1\_9?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1547107605&sr=1-9) was published in 1993. The second, published in 2004 is the one you reference. Both editions are "high level", in the sense that the lessons may be applied to any language. Note that neither book is a coding tutorial. Their target audience is more the designer than the low-level coder.

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                          raddevus
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                          Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

                          Both editions are "high level", in the sense that the lessons may be applied to any language.

                          I agree with you just might be interesting to see the book updated with a new language and additional architectural lessons (such as impact of SOA, microservices, new software deployments, etc.).

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                          • R raddevus

                            I was at HalfPriceBooks and stumbled upon an old copy of Code Complete by Steve McConnell[^] and I was wondering why no one has written an updated version of such a book with C# or even JavaScript as the language used in the book. (The original uses C, not even C++ from what I remember.) Have you read any recent books like Code Complete? I've recently read one that is close and is really fantastic : Clean Architecture: A Craftsman's Guide to Software Structure and Design (Robert C. Martin Series) 1, Robert C. Martin, eBook - Amazon.com[^] Martin talks about things that I've never heard anyone else talk about that really expose what software development is like in real businesses. And he provides many ideas to alleviate the issues. Really well written too so it's a fast read.

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                            I thought your link was already version 2?

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                              I was at HalfPriceBooks and stumbled upon an old copy of Code Complete by Steve McConnell[^] and I was wondering why no one has written an updated version of such a book with C# or even JavaScript as the language used in the book. (The original uses C, not even C++ from what I remember.) Have you read any recent books like Code Complete? I've recently read one that is close and is really fantastic : Clean Architecture: A Craftsman's Guide to Software Structure and Design (Robert C. Martin Series) 1, Robert C. Martin, eBook - Amazon.com[^] Martin talks about things that I've never heard anyone else talk about that really expose what software development is like in real businesses. And he provides many ideas to alleviate the issues. Really well written too so it's a fast read.

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                              Matthew Dennis
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                              My favorite, "Requirements are like water. Both are easier to build on when frozen". I have a signed copy.

                              "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."

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                                I thought your link was already version 2?

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                                raddevus
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                                It is version 2 you are correct. I just couldn't remember if version 2 used other languages besides C.

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                                  My favorite, "Requirements are like water. Both are easier to build on when frozen". I have a signed copy.

                                  "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."

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                                  raddevus
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                                  Matthew@work wrote:

                                  "Requirements are like water. Both are easier to build on when frozen".

                                  That is a good one.

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                                  • R raddevus

                                    I was at HalfPriceBooks and stumbled upon an old copy of Code Complete by Steve McConnell[^] and I was wondering why no one has written an updated version of such a book with C# or even JavaScript as the language used in the book. (The original uses C, not even C++ from what I remember.) Have you read any recent books like Code Complete? I've recently read one that is close and is really fantastic : Clean Architecture: A Craftsman's Guide to Software Structure and Design (Robert C. Martin Series) 1, Robert C. Martin, eBook - Amazon.com[^] Martin talks about things that I've never heard anyone else talk about that really expose what software development is like in real businesses. And he provides many ideas to alleviate the issues. Really well written too so it's a fast read.

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                                    Ideologies cross boundaries so a C# and Java/JavaScript simile would be pointless to a great degree; you would simply be directed to read the document as a general reference understanding that example content is illustrated using "C" simply. I got it for a general, ideological reference and although my C background is still within the novice range, felt that the concepts were easy enough to grasp. The book is about what you should do rather than what to do it with conceptually. Code Complete became on of my favs quickly. :)

                                    I was unaware of that...

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                                      Ideologies cross boundaries so a C# and Java/JavaScript simile would be pointless to a great degree; you would simply be directed to read the document as a general reference understanding that example content is illustrated using "C" simply. I got it for a general, ideological reference and although my C background is still within the novice range, felt that the concepts were easy enough to grasp. The book is about what you should do rather than what to do it with conceptually. Code Complete became on of my favs quickly. :)

                                      I was unaware of that...

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                                      raddevus
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                                      TheRaven wrote:

                                      Ideologies cross boundaries so a C# and Java/JavaScript simile would be pointless to a great degree

                                      Yeah, I know what you mean. But I was also thinking of just the same way that there were pitfalls and best practices which applied directly to C there would be some other things that are applicable to JavaScript or C#. Then there are many like naming your variables in specific ways that are applicable to all.

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                                        My favorite, "Requirements are like water. Both are easier to build on when frozen". I have a signed copy.

                                        "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."

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                                        Matthew@work wrote:

                                        "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."

                                        I just had to dig out my login creds to comment on one of the greatest G Marx quotes in your sig line. :laugh:

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                                        • M Marc Clifton

                                          raddevus wrote:

                                          I've recently read one that is close and is really fantastic

                                          Hah, chapter 25 has a section called Hunt the Wumpus! Awesome, I wonder how many people nowadays know about [that reference](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunt\_the\_Wumpus). I'll have to get the book just to read that section! [Gregory Yob](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory\_Yob) was actually quite a mentor for me in my late teens -- we hung out together quite a lot and he actually rented a room from me for a while in San Diego.

                                          Latest Article - A Concise Overview of Threads Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                                          Robert Not The Pirate
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                                          I remember Gregory Yob.I recall him being mentioned in an article about cryogenics. Since we are several months apart in age and in the same occupation, I was curious why a computer programmer would believe that preserving one's brain in ice is viable. It appears he was a bit strange, so that would explain it.Nevertheless, great minds are often a bit wacky.

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