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  • L Lost User

    My PC rebooted during the night for another Windows 10 update. This time, it also started playing a Netflix in the background. Thinking to put it back to sleep, it now says I MUST create a pin # BEFORE I can sign in. I'm now being RANSOMED by Microsoft. I have only ONE pin. I've had it for forever, and I'm NOT going to use it on my computer (like probably most of the population will). So there you have it. MS now has most people's bank pin numbers; or at least they've forced people to unconsciously expose themselves to more financial risk. The arrogant stupidity of it all. On top of it, Microsoft will tell you if your pin is "too easy"?! On top of that, the "pin procedure" failed (I nearly sh*t myself), but we can "retry" at a later date. All Windows updates are now "paused" by me. Note: I can't stop them.

    "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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    Gerry Schmitz wrote:

    All Windows updates are now "paused" by me. Note: I can't stop them.

    Although it's overkill for most people, if you have other needs for it anyway, then WSUS is the way to go if you're trying to have the final say on OS updates. And that covers *all* versions of Windows. Not a single update can slip through without you (a) asking for it and (b) approving it. *IF* you configure it right (which is pretty trivial).

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      Gerry Schmitz wrote:

      All Windows updates are now "paused" by me. Note: I can't stop them.

      Although it's overkill for most people, if you have other needs for it anyway, then WSUS is the way to go if you're trying to have the final say on OS updates. And that covers *all* versions of Windows. Not a single update can slip through without you (a) asking for it and (b) approving it. *IF* you configure it right (which is pretty trivial).

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      Thanks for the tip!

      "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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      • L Lost User

        Exactly. What is your average (older) person going to do with a DEMAND for a pin when all they want to do is check their email? The MSN.COM is full of dynamic links to "your PC is infected sites". There is a general disdain for public safety that I see increasing.

        "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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        Gerry Schmitz wrote:

        What is your average (older) person going to do with a DEMAND for a pin

        As an older person I can tell you they would get the standard pin I use for all hotel room safes and any other pin requirement. The bank pin would never be used anywhere but the bank web site that I access via the link I store in favourites. Seriously just because we are old does not mean we are stupid, possibly senile but someone will have taken their computer away from us by then.

        Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP

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          Gerry Schmitz wrote:

          What is your average (older) person going to do with a DEMAND for a pin

          As an older person I can tell you they would get the standard pin I use for all hotel room safes and any other pin requirement. The bank pin would never be used anywhere but the bank web site that I access via the link I store in favourites. Seriously just because we are old does not mean we are stupid, possibly senile but someone will have taken their computer away from us by then.

          Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP

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          How about my "old" father then who is 90% blind? You know what I meant; I didn't think it necessary for a whole song and dance. In any event, I had another ("farm-type") "older relative" get ripped off by the "infected pc script" site who should have contacted me first. Her "farm-type" nephew could have fixed it too. Or is farm-type a problem for you too? Oh, and I'm probably older than you.

          "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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          • L Lost User

            My PC rebooted during the night for another Windows 10 update. This time, it also started playing a Netflix in the background. Thinking to put it back to sleep, it now says I MUST create a pin # BEFORE I can sign in. I'm now being RANSOMED by Microsoft. I have only ONE pin. I've had it for forever, and I'm NOT going to use it on my computer (like probably most of the population will). So there you have it. MS now has most people's bank pin numbers; or at least they've forced people to unconsciously expose themselves to more financial risk. The arrogant stupidity of it all. On top of it, Microsoft will tell you if your pin is "too easy"?! On top of that, the "pin procedure" failed (I nearly sh*t myself), but we can "retry" at a later date. All Windows updates are now "paused" by me. Note: I can't stop them.

            "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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            You signed in with Microsoft Account? I don't think this happens with local or domain accounts.

            Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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              How about my "old" father then who is 90% blind? You know what I meant; I didn't think it necessary for a whole song and dance. In any event, I had another ("farm-type") "older relative" get ripped off by the "infected pc script" site who should have contacted me first. Her "farm-type" nephew could have fixed it too. Or is farm-type a problem for you too? Oh, and I'm probably older than you.

              "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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              Lost User
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              If you're closer to 70 than 60 you might just be older than Mycroft.

              Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                You signed in with Microsoft Account? I don't think this happens with local or domain accounts.

                Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                MS account. Nothing has varied from my sigin / sleep procedures. No setting changes. Nada. This was triggered by their update. While in sleep mode.

                "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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                • L Lost User

                  If you're closer to 70 than 60 you might just be older than Mycroft.

                  Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                  Want to make something of it if I was?

                  "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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                  • L Lost User

                    My PC rebooted during the night for another Windows 10 update. This time, it also started playing a Netflix in the background. Thinking to put it back to sleep, it now says I MUST create a pin # BEFORE I can sign in. I'm now being RANSOMED by Microsoft. I have only ONE pin. I've had it for forever, and I'm NOT going to use it on my computer (like probably most of the population will). So there you have it. MS now has most people's bank pin numbers; or at least they've forced people to unconsciously expose themselves to more financial risk. The arrogant stupidity of it all. On top of it, Microsoft will tell you if your pin is "too easy"?! On top of that, the "pin procedure" failed (I nearly sh*t myself), but we can "retry" at a later date. All Windows updates are now "paused" by me. Note: I can't stop them.

                    "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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                    Why the fuss? I have one pin to sign in to Windows, and different pins for my bank and credit cards.

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                    • L Lost User

                      Want to make something of it if I was?

                      "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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                      Yep, you'd be an old Mike Hunt.

                      Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                      • L Lost User

                        MS account. Nothing has varied from my sigin / sleep procedures. No setting changes. Nada. This was triggered by their update. While in sleep mode.

                        "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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                        PIN only happens on MS Accounts. You may have been lucky till now.

                        Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                        • D dandy72

                          Gerry Schmitz wrote:

                          All Windows updates are now "paused" by me. Note: I can't stop them.

                          Although it's overkill for most people, if you have other needs for it anyway, then WSUS is the way to go if you're trying to have the final say on OS updates. And that covers *all* versions of Windows. Not a single update can slip through without you (a) asking for it and (b) approving it. *IF* you configure it right (which is pretty trivial).

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                          Or just turn off the update service.

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                          • L Lost User

                            My PC rebooted during the night for another Windows 10 update. This time, it also started playing a Netflix in the background. Thinking to put it back to sleep, it now says I MUST create a pin # BEFORE I can sign in. I'm now being RANSOMED by Microsoft. I have only ONE pin. I've had it for forever, and I'm NOT going to use it on my computer (like probably most of the population will). So there you have it. MS now has most people's bank pin numbers; or at least they've forced people to unconsciously expose themselves to more financial risk. The arrogant stupidity of it all. On top of it, Microsoft will tell you if your pin is "too easy"?! On top of that, the "pin procedure" failed (I nearly sh*t myself), but we can "retry" at a later date. All Windows updates are now "paused" by me. Note: I can't stop them.

                            "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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                            Lost User
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                            I'm with you.

                            Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

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                              Or just turn off the update service.

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                              dandy72
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                              Not that I've ever tried this, but wouldn't the OS start popping up warning messages incessantly? At least with WSUS, you don't have to turn off Windows Update on the clients...

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                                Not that I've ever tried this, but wouldn't the OS start popping up warning messages incessantly? At least with WSUS, you don't have to turn off Windows Update on the clients...

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                                No, not at all.

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                                  No, not at all.

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                                  dandy72
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                                  Interesting. So you can turn off WU without a single warning, yet if you dare turn off the firewall, OMG, the sky's falling...even though you're sitting behind a router that does a much better job than the Windows Firewall could ever wish to be capable of doing. Or the AV.

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                                    Interesting. So you can turn off WU without a single warning, yet if you dare turn off the firewall, OMG, the sky's falling...even though you're sitting behind a router that does a much better job than the Windows Firewall could ever wish to be capable of doing. Or the AV.

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                                    yeah, but you can turn off firewall warnings too cant you? Pretty sure there is a setting for it somewhere.

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                                      yeah, but you can turn off firewall warnings too cant you? Pretty sure there is a setting for it somewhere.

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                                      dandy72
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                                      I've never had to leave it off long enough for me to look into it to be honest.

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                                      • L Lost User

                                        My PC rebooted during the night for another Windows 10 update. This time, it also started playing a Netflix in the background. Thinking to put it back to sleep, it now says I MUST create a pin # BEFORE I can sign in. I'm now being RANSOMED by Microsoft. I have only ONE pin. I've had it for forever, and I'm NOT going to use it on my computer (like probably most of the population will). So there you have it. MS now has most people's bank pin numbers; or at least they've forced people to unconsciously expose themselves to more financial risk. The arrogant stupidity of it all. On top of it, Microsoft will tell you if your pin is "too easy"?! On top of that, the "pin procedure" failed (I nearly sh*t myself), but we can "retry" at a later date. All Windows updates are now "paused" by me. Note: I can't stop them.

                                        "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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                                        jschell
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                                        Myself I actually like to turn my computers off when I am not using them.

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                                        • L Lost User

                                          Why the fuss? I have one pin to sign in to Windows, and different pins for my bank and credit cards.

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                                          It wouldn't let me sign in without setting one up. Why do I object to someone "putting a lock on my own house"? Or consider this: it wanted a new pin without me signing in ... in which case, "whose" pin is it? No explanation, no "cancel" ... just a loop. I have yet to make any sense of it ...

                                          "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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