Brexit: Why vote Leave
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After March 29th you won't be getting any EU-immigration. The polish plumber will be replaced by an african or indian one. But we have to wait and see it unfolding :)
Yes, but at least those Africans and Indians will really want to be here... UK VISA Requirements for Non-EU residents: * CEFR A1 (soon to be A2) in Speaking and Listening, except for majority-English speaking countries (B1 for Indefinite Leave to Remain VISAs) - £160+ for 6-12 minutes! * X-ray proof of not having Tuberculosis * £300/400 per year for IHS (Immigration Health Surcharge) * £350-1523 for a VISA over 6 months (except student/medical) - and £2389 for ILR, which can only normally be accessed after 5/10 years of settlement * ILR VISA also requires "Life in UK" test, at £50 a pop In addition, non-EU residents have to pay council tax, but get none of the benefits (a.k.a. universal credit) - and the IHS covers the "free" NHS. Current UK Entry Requirements for EU residents: * ... And just to add more fun to the mix, until March last year, the ILR VISA was not online, so the payment method required writing sensitive financial data (if not using the thoroughly modern Postal Orders) as part of a paper application (the form itself was 73 pages). Guess who has had all that stress last year?
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Yes, but at least those Africans and Indians will really want to be here... UK VISA Requirements for Non-EU residents: * CEFR A1 (soon to be A2) in Speaking and Listening, except for majority-English speaking countries (B1 for Indefinite Leave to Remain VISAs) - £160+ for 6-12 minutes! * X-ray proof of not having Tuberculosis * £300/400 per year for IHS (Immigration Health Surcharge) * £350-1523 for a VISA over 6 months (except student/medical) - and £2389 for ILR, which can only normally be accessed after 5/10 years of settlement * ILR VISA also requires "Life in UK" test, at £50 a pop In addition, non-EU residents have to pay council tax, but get none of the benefits (a.k.a. universal credit) - and the IHS covers the "free" NHS. Current UK Entry Requirements for EU residents: * ... And just to add more fun to the mix, until March last year, the ILR VISA was not online, so the payment method required writing sensitive financial data (if not using the thoroughly modern Postal Orders) as part of a paper application (the form itself was 73 pages). Guess who has had all that stress last year?
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I hope you pay your EU taxes, like a good citizen. They are going to be a few billion short when we leave.
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- Control of immigration, particularly extra EU. 2) Saving 10 billion a year (soon to be 17 billion). 3) A sense of self determination. 4) Ability to arrive at trade deals that suit the British economy. Those are obvious advantages. Of course the problems with leaving the EU are: 1) Isolation. (Airbus, etc, lack of economy of scale) 2) Loss of far east companies using the UK as a base for European penetration (Nissan, LG, etc) If we can arrive at a free trade deal with the EU, then the objections are dealt with. This also suits the EU too.
Well, the first sensible reply! You are not the first person to be deluded by the brexiteers. Their arguments were powerfull and persuasive. The problem is: They Lied! Michael Farrage admitted as much when he stated that the money mentioned on the busses that could be better spent on the NHS, wasd a Lie! The Leave campaign was based on Lies.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
- Control of immigration, particularly extra EU. Well, the immigration of young people from the eastern acsession block, actually contribute more to the UK economy, than that they draw out. Refugees from say Syria, the problem sadly has not gone away, but, has absolutely nothing to do with EU Membership. It was one of the lies mentioned during the campaign. 2) Saving 10 billion a year (soon to be 17 billion)(so You Say, who provided you with these figures). Well, Saving membership contributions to the EU will save on the national budget.However,It is a drop in the ocean in the national budget. At any rate, it will cost more to put up border posts, employ personnel to man them, pay for duties, and collect them, Civil servants to administrate all that. border delays, etc! The cost to the economy will be enormous 3) A sense of self determination. Well, I can see that as an English Pipe dream, If there were no other issues, I would say: Go Ahead and float away to an English better destiny. 4) Ability to arrive at trade deals that suit the British economy. That is an absolute and total impossibility as long as England occupies a part of the Island of Ireland. The backstop that the English hate, but the Irish want, reflects this.
I am not issuing threats, but, merely predicting what may come from a border in Ireland, Ultimately Bombs and carnage in Liverpool, Manchester and London. The Backstop is the ultimate guarantee that such things will never happen again. The British should never forget: They occupied Ireland by action. Had they not done so 800 years ago, had they not supported the Ulster Unionists in 1922, The Island of Ireland would now be an independent state!
Bram van Kampen
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Well, the first sensible reply! You are not the first person to be deluded by the brexiteers. Their arguments were powerfull and persuasive. The problem is: They Lied! Michael Farrage admitted as much when he stated that the money mentioned on the busses that could be better spent on the NHS, wasd a Lie! The Leave campaign was based on Lies.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
- Control of immigration, particularly extra EU. Well, the immigration of young people from the eastern acsession block, actually contribute more to the UK economy, than that they draw out. Refugees from say Syria, the problem sadly has not gone away, but, has absolutely nothing to do with EU Membership. It was one of the lies mentioned during the campaign. 2) Saving 10 billion a year (soon to be 17 billion)(so You Say, who provided you with these figures). Well, Saving membership contributions to the EU will save on the national budget.However,It is a drop in the ocean in the national budget. At any rate, it will cost more to put up border posts, employ personnel to man them, pay for duties, and collect them, Civil servants to administrate all that. border delays, etc! The cost to the economy will be enormous 3) A sense of self determination. Well, I can see that as an English Pipe dream, If there were no other issues, I would say: Go Ahead and float away to an English better destiny. 4) Ability to arrive at trade deals that suit the British economy. That is an absolute and total impossibility as long as England occupies a part of the Island of Ireland. The backstop that the English hate, but the Irish want, reflects this.
I am not issuing threats, but, merely predicting what may come from a border in Ireland, Ultimately Bombs and carnage in Liverpool, Manchester and London. The Backstop is the ultimate guarantee that such things will never happen again. The British should never forget: They occupied Ireland by action. Had they not done so 800 years ago, had they not supported the Ulster Unionists in 1922, The Island of Ireland would now be an independent state!
Bram van Kampen
Bram van Kampen wrote:
Michael Farrage admitted as much when he stated that the money mentioned on the busses that could be better spent on the NHS
Farage never made that statement in the first place, it was Boris, so he had nothing to admit. And we know Boris used the gross rather than net contribution figure. But Boris is a politician, who jumped on the bandwaggon at the last minute, Farage isnt. 1) I said control of immigration, not no immigration. We will of course continue to let in people who want to work, but we will be able to keep out criminals and scroungers. And refugees from outside the EU have everything to do with being part of the EU!!!!! Eurocrats, and Merkel welcomed them in, and then dictated how many we are to take!!!! You accuse others of lying, and then lie yourself! 2) 17 billion is not a drop in the ocean. At the height of the financial crisis we were QEing to the tune of 50 billion a year to save the economy. 3) I said a 'sense' of self determination. Whether or not people in fact have any more control over their lives is questionable, but they will feel that they do. 4) What has the Irish border got to do with whether a trade deal suits the UK or not? It has nothing to do with it. It is to do with the trade deal we have with the EU. If you think the sentiments of religious idiots in Ireland are a factor in determining the future of Britain's trade you are wrong. And in any case as we saw last week the Real IRA are planting bombs anyway, even without a hard border, so in fact the state of the border makes no difference at all and the backstop guarantees nothing. You are deluding yourself,. Look at the facts. Look, what ever gripes you have about what happened 800 years ago dont you think it is best to look to the future? That is where we are heading after all.
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Well, the first sensible reply! You are not the first person to be deluded by the brexiteers. Their arguments were powerfull and persuasive. The problem is: They Lied! Michael Farrage admitted as much when he stated that the money mentioned on the busses that could be better spent on the NHS, wasd a Lie! The Leave campaign was based on Lies.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
- Control of immigration, particularly extra EU. Well, the immigration of young people from the eastern acsession block, actually contribute more to the UK economy, than that they draw out. Refugees from say Syria, the problem sadly has not gone away, but, has absolutely nothing to do with EU Membership. It was one of the lies mentioned during the campaign. 2) Saving 10 billion a year (soon to be 17 billion)(so You Say, who provided you with these figures). Well, Saving membership contributions to the EU will save on the national budget.However,It is a drop in the ocean in the national budget. At any rate, it will cost more to put up border posts, employ personnel to man them, pay for duties, and collect them, Civil servants to administrate all that. border delays, etc! The cost to the economy will be enormous 3) A sense of self determination. Well, I can see that as an English Pipe dream, If there were no other issues, I would say: Go Ahead and float away to an English better destiny. 4) Ability to arrive at trade deals that suit the British economy. That is an absolute and total impossibility as long as England occupies a part of the Island of Ireland. The backstop that the English hate, but the Irish want, reflects this.
I am not issuing threats, but, merely predicting what may come from a border in Ireland, Ultimately Bombs and carnage in Liverpool, Manchester and London. The Backstop is the ultimate guarantee that such things will never happen again. The British should never forget: They occupied Ireland by action. Had they not done so 800 years ago, had they not supported the Ulster Unionists in 1922, The Island of Ireland would now be an independent state!
Bram van Kampen
Bram van Kampen wrote:
Michael Farrage
Is that Nigel Farage's brother? ;P
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Bram van Kampen wrote:
Michael Farrage admitted as much when he stated that the money mentioned on the busses that could be better spent on the NHS
Farage never made that statement in the first place, it was Boris, so he had nothing to admit. And we know Boris used the gross rather than net contribution figure. But Boris is a politician, who jumped on the bandwaggon at the last minute, Farage isnt. 1) I said control of immigration, not no immigration. We will of course continue to let in people who want to work, but we will be able to keep out criminals and scroungers. And refugees from outside the EU have everything to do with being part of the EU!!!!! Eurocrats, and Merkel welcomed them in, and then dictated how many we are to take!!!! You accuse others of lying, and then lie yourself! 2) 17 billion is not a drop in the ocean. At the height of the financial crisis we were QEing to the tune of 50 billion a year to save the economy. 3) I said a 'sense' of self determination. Whether or not people in fact have any more control over their lives is questionable, but they will feel that they do. 4) What has the Irish border got to do with whether a trade deal suits the UK or not? It has nothing to do with it. It is to do with the trade deal we have with the EU. If you think the sentiments of religious idiots in Ireland are a factor in determining the future of Britain's trade you are wrong. And in any case as we saw last week the Real IRA are planting bombs anyway, even without a hard border, so in fact the state of the border makes no difference at all and the backstop guarantees nothing. You are deluding yourself,. Look at the facts. Look, what ever gripes you have about what happened 800 years ago dont you think it is best to look to the future? That is where we are heading after all.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
keep out criminals and scroungers
Do they have signs around their necks? :-)
What they dont have are work contracts.
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What they dont have are work contracts.
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Ah OK, while we are in "cloudcuckooland" what do we do with our native "criminals and scroungers" can we send those to the EU?
Do you think this post is making you look clever after your last, and obvious, failure of thought? (Hint, you cant. Give up trying and just admit you hadnt thought of the obvious, it will go better for you that way)
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Do you think this post is making you look clever after your last, and obvious, failure of thought? (Hint, you cant. Give up trying and just admit you hadnt thought of the obvious, it will go better for you that way)
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Bram van Kampen wrote:
Michael Farrage admitted as much when he stated that the money mentioned on the busses that could be better spent on the NHS
Farage never made that statement in the first place, it was Boris, so he had nothing to admit. And we know Boris used the gross rather than net contribution figure. But Boris is a politician, who jumped on the bandwaggon at the last minute, Farage isnt. 1) I said control of immigration, not no immigration. We will of course continue to let in people who want to work, but we will be able to keep out criminals and scroungers. And refugees from outside the EU have everything to do with being part of the EU!!!!! Eurocrats, and Merkel welcomed them in, and then dictated how many we are to take!!!! You accuse others of lying, and then lie yourself! 2) 17 billion is not a drop in the ocean. At the height of the financial crisis we were QEing to the tune of 50 billion a year to save the economy. 3) I said a 'sense' of self determination. Whether or not people in fact have any more control over their lives is questionable, but they will feel that they do. 4) What has the Irish border got to do with whether a trade deal suits the UK or not? It has nothing to do with it. It is to do with the trade deal we have with the EU. If you think the sentiments of religious idiots in Ireland are a factor in determining the future of Britain's trade you are wrong. And in any case as we saw last week the Real IRA are planting bombs anyway, even without a hard border, so in fact the state of the border makes no difference at all and the backstop guarantees nothing. You are deluding yourself,. Look at the facts. Look, what ever gripes you have about what happened 800 years ago dont you think it is best to look to the future? That is where we are heading after all.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
failure of thought
At least I had a thought, even if it was a failure, all of your posts show no thought whatsoever.
How does it feel to receive enlightenment then by someone with 'no thought'? Pretty galling I would imagine.
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How does it feel to receive enlightenment then by someone with 'no thought'? Pretty galling I would imagine.
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Well, I started a thread earlier, I am a remainer What are the arguments in favour of Leaving the EU. I can see None but Unicorns
Bram van Kampen
I'm an American. I don't have a dog in this fight.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Care to explain that?
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Care to explain that?
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Oh, I thought for a moment you were going to talk about 'max fac' (logistics). It is an interesting idea.
Mark Parity wrote:
completely make an ass of yourself and laugh it off to realise that life isn’t so bad after all
Been doing that for a long time :)
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Sometimes, all you need to do is completely make an ass of yourself and laugh it off to realise that life isn’t so bad after all.
Oh, I thought for a moment you were going to talk about 'max fac' (logistics). It is an interesting idea.
Mark Parity wrote:
completely make an ass of yourself and laugh it off to realise that life isn’t so bad after all
Been doing that for a long time :)
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Well, I started a thread earlier, I am a remainer What are the arguments in favour of Leaving the EU. I can see None but Unicorns
Bram van Kampen
Based on Tusk's recent comments hell suddenly looks a bit more appealing. Just imagine what heaven will be like with him and his pals organising everything for us Europeans.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
